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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:25:10 GMT
Well, it works either way. Content and Profit.
Oh, and if Stallone wasn't in the first Creed what do you think would have happened?
One minute you're about profit, the next is about quality - make up your mind. Stop picking and choosing. I don't know because we don't live in a reality where the first Creed premiered without Stallone being in it, but your argument was neither sound and logical. I suppose I'll try to use both when I can.
It's never easy being faced with the truth of the Injustice Warriors and their unpleasable nature towards anything new, is it?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:27:50 GMT
There's only one way an Agenda works in storytelling, and it's in the inherent plan right there from the start. Which all stories have.
Uh huh, and the stories not matching up with that interview...?
You're the one not getting the hypocrisy of the movie then. It's wrong for Danny to think there's anything in him he needs to change but Sandy is right to change who she is because "she's tired of it"?
It's not open to interpretation, it's right there in the presentation and the impact these movies had. Consumers walked away thinking the Gangster life and the misogyny in the movies were cool things even if they couldn't imitate them.
Says who, you? None of the content I have read, watched, and professors I have listened to have said that there is only one way agenda works in storytelling, because the word has different meanings. I reward your attempt to change focus from the discussion point zero points. Art is generally subjective to the eye of the beholder, but the closest one can get to what it actually means is the words of its creator, we can debate your perceived contrast of Lee's words versus his work till dawn, but no definitive answer can really be stated because, again, Lee is no longer with us and can contribute to the discussion. I don't think you understand the movie, let alone the stage play, very well, friend. You're the one making a harmless story into something insidious. The only people who walked away from both sets of pictures wanting to aspire to have the mob life got the wrong message and were not very bright and all there in the head, most consumers watched them and walked away not at all inspired to become criminals. I reward your argument to make some of the best regarded cinema as actually terrible with negative influence on culture zero points as well. Most of the content I have read, watched and professors I've listened to say just the opposite.
Then we're at stalemate.
I'm simply pointing out the misogyny there, nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
Coppola was apparently semi-abducted by Gangsters who brought them to their boss who congratulated him on popularizing their lifestyle so much. I think that says a lot.
Nothing wrong with admitting that Coppola didn't go as good a job as he could with what he was trying to accomplish.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:28:02 GMT
One minute you're about profit, the next is about quality - make up your mind. Stop picking and choosing. I don't know because we don't live in a reality where the first Creed premiered without Stallone being in it, but your argument was neither sound and logical. I suppose I'll try to use both when I can.
It's never easy being faced with the truth of the Injustice Warriors and their unpleasable nature towards anything new, is it?
Give it a rest, friend. You are too far away from the finish line to declare yourself the victor of anything, all you have proven to people is that you have unhealthy obsessions and cannot seem to accept not having the final word and are too ego-driven to accept defeat and carry on with the day.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:30:40 GMT
Says who, you? None of the content I have read, watched, and professors I have listened to have said that there is only one way agenda works in storytelling, because the word has different meanings. I reward your attempt to change focus from the discussion point zero points. Art is generally subjective to the eye of the beholder, but the closest one can get to what it actually means is the words of its creator, we can debate your perceived contrast of Lee's words versus his work till dawn, but no definitive answer can really be stated because, again, Lee is no longer with us and can contribute to the discussion. I don't think you understand the movie, let alone the stage play, very well, friend. You're the one making a harmless story into something insidious. The only people who walked away from both sets of pictures wanting to aspire to have the mob life got the wrong message and were not very bright and all there in the head, most consumers watched them and walked away not at all inspired to become criminals. I reward your argument to make some of the best regarded cinema as actually terrible with negative influence on culture zero points as well. Most of the content I have read, watched and professors I've listened to say just the opposite.
Then we're at stalemate.
I'm simply pointing out the misogyny there, nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
Coppola was apparently semi-abducted by Gangsters who brought them to their boss who congratulated him on popularizing their lifestyle so much. I think that says a lot.
Nothing wrong with admitting that Coppola didn't go as good a job as he could with what he was trying to accomplish.
Such as? There is nothing misogynistic about Grease. Coppola being congratulated by gangsters says nothing in the end, because most people didn't walk away from either of the three movies aspiring to join the mob, and they're regarded (the first two at least) as peak cinema.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:31:08 GMT
Against the Grain: Not enjoying the "Big Thing" just because the majority like it, and being willing to put up with the Cultists who will come for you. And usually ending up vindicated down the line.And, that isn't working for you, isn't it? Nobody is on your side on anything, and your poorly constructed arguments are only giving the suggestion that you are desperate to have the final say and that you have unhealthy obsessions. I'm used to no one being on my side. I said that NuBSG would fall apart and wasn't a good show, years later I was right. I pointed out the problems with JK Rowling and her writing years ago, I was vindicated then too. I pointed out problems with Chris Nolan's Batman movies years ago, and finally after being mocked for years by Nolanites people started to acknowledge the problems in the Dark Knight Movies.
I speak out against Grifters and now their Patron Saint, Alex Jones, is going down in flames. They will soon follow. And I'll be here, happy I called it when I did.
This "Culture War" will end with the progressive side/"Woke" side winning, as is always the case. And I'll be here when the victory is acknowledged.
So I'm fine with this, I've been alone on lots of occasions and it stopped bothering me when I accepted the sheep mentality of so many unwilling to not join the Cultist mindset.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:32:28 GMT
I suppose I'll try to use both when I can.
It's never easy being faced with the truth of the Injustice Warriors and their unpleasable nature towards anything new, is it?
Give it a rest, friend. You are too far away from the finish line to declare yourself the victor of anything, all you have proven to people is that you have unhealthy obsessions and cannot seem to accept not having the final word and are too ego-driven to accept defeat and carry on with the day. I'm used to no one being on my side. I said that NuBSG would fall apart and wasn't a good show, years later I was right. I pointed out the problems with JK Rowling and her writing years ago, I was vindicated then too. I pointed out problems with Chris Nolan's Batman movies years ago, and finally after being mocked for years by Nolanites people started to acknowledge the problems in the Dark Knight Movies. I speak out against Grifters and now their Patron Saint, Alex Jones, is going down in flames. They will soon follow. And I'll be here, happy I called it when I did. This "Culture War" will end with the progressive side/"Woke" side winning, as is always the case. And I'll be here when the victory is acknowledged. So I'm fine with this, I've been alone on lots of occasions and it stopped bothering me when I accepted the sheep mentality of so many unwilling to not join the Cultist mindset.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:36:45 GMT
Most of the content I have read, watched and professors I've listened to say just the opposite.
Then we're at stalemate.
I'm simply pointing out the misogyny there, nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
Coppola was apparently semi-abducted by Gangsters who brought them to their boss who congratulated him on popularizing their lifestyle so much. I think that says a lot.
Nothing wrong with admitting that Coppola didn't go as good a job as he could with what he was trying to accomplish.
Such as? There is nothing misogynistic about Grease. Coppola being congratulated by gangsters says nothing in the end, because most people didn't walk away from either of the three movies aspiring to join the mob, and they're regarded (the first two at least) as peak cinema. Aesop's Fables, for starters. Even the Talmud had a story about abortion hidden within philosophy.
There is, you're denying what's right in front of you. The story saying Sandy should change but there's nothing wrong with Danny Zuko.
Most people walked away thinking Gangsters were cool and powerful and there was nothing wrong with their lifestyle. Not quite what Coppola was going for.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:46:49 GMT
Such as? There is nothing misogynistic about Grease. Coppola being congratulated by gangsters says nothing in the end, because most people didn't walk away from either of the three movies aspiring to join the mob, and they're regarded (the first two at least) as peak cinema. Aesop's Fables, for starters. Even the Talmud had a story about abortion hidden within philosophy.
There is, you're denying what's right in front of you. The story saying Sandy should change but there's nothing wrong with Danny Zuko.
Most people walked away thinking Gangsters were cool and powerful and there was nothing wrong with their lifestyle. Not quite what Coppola was going for. No, I'm referring to texts and documentaries where the writer and filmmakers state such a thing. The only one in denial is you, the problem isn't the work, it's you the viewer. You're the one that is overthinking the whole thing and can't allow yourself to enjoy a fairly harmless and feel-good musical. If most people walked away thinking the mob life was right for them after watching The Godfather and other similar movies then they would be banned or heavily retooled, and they haven't.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:49:33 GMT
Give it a rest, friend. You are too far away from the finish line to declare yourself the victor of anything, all you have proven to people is that you have unhealthy obsessions and cannot seem to accept not having the final word and are too ego-driven to accept defeat and carry on with the day. I'm used to no one being on my side. I said that NuBSG would fall apart and wasn't a good show, years later I was right. I pointed out the problems with JK Rowling and her writing years ago, I was vindicated then too. I pointed out problems with Chris Nolan's Batman movies years ago, and finally after being mocked for years by Nolanites people started to acknowledge the problems in the Dark Knight Movies. I speak out against Grifters and now their Patron Saint, Alex Jones, is going down in flames. They will soon follow. And I'll be here, happy I called it when I did. This "Culture War" will end with the progressive side/"Woke" side winning, as is always the case. And I'll be here when the victory is acknowledged. So I'm fine with this, I've been alone on lots of occasions and it stopped bothering me when I accepted the sheep mentality of so many unwilling to not join the Cultist mindset. The narcissism on display here is...Wow.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:50:42 GMT
Aesop's Fables, for starters. Even the Talmud had a story about abortion hidden within philosophy.
There is, you're denying what's right in front of you. The story saying Sandy should change but there's nothing wrong with Danny Zuko.
Most people walked away thinking Gangsters were cool and powerful and there was nothing wrong with their lifestyle. Not quite what Coppola was going for. No, I'm referring to texts and documentaries where the writer and filmmakers state such a thing. The only one in denial is you, the problem isn't the work, it's you the viewer. You're the one that is overthinking the whole thing and can't allow yourself to enjoy a fairly harmless and feel-good musical. If most people walked away thinking the mob life was right for them after watching The Godfather and other similar movies then they would be banned or heavily retooled, and they haven't. That you can't have a story without a plan/agenda? That's rather self-explanatory...
This is a case of the inherently flawed source material I brought up. The story says "Danny is 100% fine the way he is and changing him is wrong" but then says "Sandy isn't good the way she is and is the only one who needs to change". Just like the Godfather puts down women every chance it gets.
They can't ban them without being part of that nonexistent "Cancel Culture" and because Coppola and Scorsese are too popular/powerful in the industry.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:51:10 GMT
I'm used to no one being on my side. I said that NuBSG would fall apart and wasn't a good show, years later I was right. I pointed out the problems with JK Rowling and her writing years ago, I was vindicated then too. I pointed out problems with Chris Nolan's Batman movies years ago, and finally after being mocked for years by Nolanites people started to acknowledge the problems in the Dark Knight Movies. I speak out against Grifters and now their Patron Saint, Alex Jones, is going down in flames. They will soon follow. And I'll be here, happy I called it when I did. This "Culture War" will end with the progressive side/"Woke" side winning, as is always the case. And I'll be here when the victory is acknowledged. So I'm fine with this, I've been alone on lots of occasions and it stopped bothering me when I accepted the sheep mentality of so many unwilling to not join the Cultist mindset. The narcissism on display here is...Wow. I have the experiences to back this up, at least.
Alex Jones self-destructed, Rowlings' reputation is in the gutter, the Dark Knight Movies' are acknowledged as no longer the flawless films they were once seen as, etc.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 19, 2023 4:53:32 GMT
Oh yes, you had zero problems until it turned out she wasn't a useless shrieking damsel who needed Luke and Finn to do everything for her.
Hereβs hoping you get banned again. You're such an adorable man.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:55:11 GMT
No, I'm referring to texts and documentaries where the writer and filmmakers state such a thing. The only one in denial is you, the problem isn't the work, it's you the viewer. You're the one that is overthinking the whole thing and can't allow yourself to enjoy a fairly harmless and feel-good musical. If most people walked away thinking the mob life was right for them after watching The Godfather and other similar movies then they would be banned or heavily retooled, and they haven't. That you can't have a story without a plan/agenda? That's rather self-explanatory...
This is a case of the inherently flawed source material I brought up. The story says "Danny is 100% fine the way he is and changing him is wrong" but then says "Sandy isn't good the way she is and is the only one who needs to change". Just like the Godfather puts down women every chance it gets.
They can't ban them without being part of that nonexistent "Cancel Culture" and because Coppola and Scorsese are too popular/powerful in the industry.
I am at that point where I can't help but laugh, I think I will subscribe to the idea that you are trolling, if you're not then I think I still will have a laugh, the size of that ego...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 19, 2023 4:57:03 GMT
The narcissism on display here is...Wow. I have the experiences to back this up, at least.
Alex Jones self-destructed, Rowlings' reputation is in the gutter, the Dark Knight Movies' are acknowledged as no longer the flawless films they were once seen as, etc.
Thanks for the laugh. Rowling's work is still selling fantastically, and she is regarded as a high-quality writer, and The Dark Knight Trilogy, at least the first two entries at least, are still highly regarded.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 19, 2023 4:57:16 GMT
There's only one way an Agenda works in storytelling, and it's in the inherent plan right there from the start. Which all stories have.
Uh huh, and the stories not matching up with that interview...?
You're the one not getting the hypocrisy of the movie then. It's wrong for Danny to think there's anything in him he needs to change but Sandy is right to change who she is because "she's tired of it"?
It's not open to interpretation, it's right there in the presentation and the impact these movies had. Consumers walked away thinking the Gangster life and the misogyny in the movies were cool things even if they couldn't imitate them.
Says who, you? None of the content I have read, watched, and professors I have listened to have said that there is only one way agenda works in storytelling, because the word has different meanings. I reward your attempt to change focus from the discussion point zero points. Art is generally subjective to the eye of the beholder, but the closest one can get to what it actually means is the words of its creator, we can debate your perceived contrast of Lee's words versus his work till dawn, but no definitive answer can really be stated because, again, Lee is no longer with us and can contribute to the discussion. I don't think you understand the movie, let alone the stage play, very well, friend. You're the one making a harmless story into something insidious. The only people who walked away from both sets of pictures wanting to aspire to have the mob life got the wrong message and were not very bright and all there in the head, most consumers watched them and walked away not at all inspired to become criminals. I reward your argument to make some of the best regarded cinema as actually terrible with negative influence on culture zero points as well. Says who, you? None of the content I have read, watched, and professors I have listened to have said that there is only one way agenda works in storytelling, because the word has different meanings.
First you have to prove there is an agenda in the first place. Always be aware of your cognitive bias before making general assumptions.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 19, 2023 4:58:21 GMT
I have the experiences to back this up, at least.
Alex Jones self-destructed, Rowlings' reputation is in the gutter, the Dark Knight Movies' are acknowledged as no longer the flawless films they were once seen as, etc.
Thanks for the laugh. Rowling's work is still selling fantastically, and she is regarded as a high-quality writer, and The Dark Knight Trilogy, at least the first two entries at least, are still highly regarded. Is money your only measure of worth?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 4:59:43 GMT
That you can't have a story without a plan/agenda? That's rather self-explanatory...
This is a case of the inherently flawed source material I brought up. The story says "Danny is 100% fine the way he is and changing him is wrong" but then says "Sandy isn't good the way she is and is the only one who needs to change". Just like the Godfather puts down women every chance it gets.
They can't ban them without being part of that nonexistent "Cancel Culture" and because Coppola and Scorsese are too popular/powerful in the industry.
I am at that point where I can't help but laugh, I think I will subscribe to the idea that you are trolling, if you're not then I think I still will have a laugh, the size of that ego... This inability to see the past as flawed is what's causing this "Culture War".
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 5:00:51 GMT
I have the experiences to back this up, at least.
Alex Jones self-destructed, Rowlings' reputation is in the gutter, the Dark Knight Movies' are acknowledged as no longer the flawless films they were once seen as, etc.
Thanks for the laugh. Rowling's work is still selling fantastically, and she is regarded as a high-quality writer, and The Dark Knight Trilogy, at least the first two entries at least, are still highly regarded. She's no longer regarded as a flawless writer, and folks are more than willing to point out her flaws whereas before they wouldn't.
The Nolanites refused to see any flaws in Batman Begins and especially Dark Knight. Now they have no choice but to accept them as less-than-flawless. Took them long enough.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 19, 2023 5:15:40 GMT
Thanks for the laugh. Rowling's work is still selling fantastically, and she is regarded as a high-quality writer, and The Dark Knight Trilogy, at least the first two entries at least, are still highly regarded. She's no longer regarded as a flawless writer, and folks are more than willing to point out her flaws whereas before they wouldn't.
The Nolanites refused to see any flaws in Batman Begins and especially Dark Knight. Now they have no choice but to accept them as less-than-flawless. Took them long enough.
I never read one of her books since they were marketed to kids, but I've seen the movies and like them. I got nothing against Rowling or the trannies she's in the raging culture battle with. Someone changing their sex does not affect me at all, so I have no argument against it. It certainly does not diminish me as a woman since a stranger's cunt/dick is not the some of my personality. I think if we all would calm down about Mister Penis and Madam Vagina, we just might be happier people.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 5:38:01 GMT
She's no longer regarded as a flawless writer, and folks are more than willing to point out her flaws whereas before they wouldn't.
The Nolanites refused to see any flaws in Batman Begins and especially Dark Knight. Now they have no choice but to accept them as less-than-flawless. Took them long enough.
I never read one of her books since they were marketed to kids, but I've seen the movies and like them. I got nothing against Rowling or the trannies she's in the raging culture battle with. Someone changing their sex does not affect me at all, so I have no argument against it. It certainly does not diminish me as a woman since a stranger's cunt/dick is not the some of my personality. I think if we all would calm down about Mister Penis and Madam Vagina, we just might be happier people. The Harry Potter series, it's entertaining but I felt that Rowling was lazy when it came to character development and the world doesn't make much sense (yes, I know it's Magic...) when you think about it. And the later books become too self-indulgent and aren't tightly plotted.
IMO.
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