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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Feb 24, 2023 18:59:07 GMT
In his actual quote, Feige clearly says he wants Marvel Studios to last another 80 years, not the MCU specifically. The MCU is itself not going to be in continuity for 80 years, unless new actors as new characters take up the mantle of existing heroes, such as in Captain America: New World Order and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, or the same actors play the same characters into their senior years, which, even if they make it into their 70s and 80s -- see Michael Keaton, Patrick Stewart, and Harrison Ford -- will still take far less than another 80 years and will still require a new generation of actors and characters. Most likely, the MCU will reset or reboot every few decades. Either way, Marvel Studios can easily last another 80 years. It is one of the top Hollywood studios and it won't ever go defunct as its rich library of characters will continue to thrive in whatever format entertainment constitutes. Thanks for confirming that most people on this thread are dyslexic. Well, at least the original tweet is and set everyone else on the path. By the way, that is one out-of-this-world office! R2-D2 is the only one that's not like the others, although he is still part of the corporate family. And actually, he was part of the Marvel Comics family for a while, no?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 24, 2023 19:47:56 GMT
Until they run out of jokes. That happened ten years ago! Seriously, they literally recycle the same gags over and over again. I blame Joss Whedon. His humor infected the MCU and now it's hard to get rid of. Sometime i wish Whedon never got involved with Marvel despite my love of The Avengers.
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Post by Lux on Feb 24, 2023 21:03:09 GMT
That happened ten years ago! Seriously, they literally recycle the same gags over and over again. I blame Joss Whedon. His humor infected the MCU and now it's hard to get rid of. Sometime i wish Whedon never got involved with Marvel despite my love of The Avengers. The humor in the MCU isn't as bad as that it also depends on exactly the level of non humor you're wanting from these movies, why a multi billion dollar company like Marvel studios that cater to everyone including families too should switch to a joyless format that doesn't financially reward. Yes, the humor can at times be cheesy but so can the edgelords thinking serious all the time. These movies are in a way similar to theme parks, people go for two hours have a laugh and leave. Also, with the way the world is heading you won't have to worry about humor anymore anyway.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 24, 2023 22:11:06 GMT
I blame Joss Whedon. His humor infected the MCU and now it's hard to get rid of. Sometime i wish Whedon never got involved with Marvel despite my love of The Avengers. The humor in the MCU isn't as bad as that it also depends on exactly the level of non humor you're wanting from these movies, why a multi billion dollar company like Marvel studios that cater to everyone including families too should switch to a joyless format that doesn't financially reward. Yes, the humor can at times be cheesy but so can the edgelords thinking serious all the time. These movies are in a way similar to theme parks, people go for two hours have a laugh and leave. Also, with the way the world is heading you won't have to worry about humor anymore anyway. Joker was more profitable than many MCU films. So was The Batman and The Dark Knight. Plus maybe Alien should have had more humour. Or Predator. Game of Thrones was extremely popular but how could that be? Plus it’s not just the level of humour but the quality. I felt that too often horrible, as was the writing in general. I find it to be an insult to literature to believe that is acceptable. And I find it to be very cynical to believe that lightheartedness is the only way to have popular appeal. It isn’t. It’s just the path that the MCU chose. I blame The Avengers too. The film isn’t horrible but it set the template and Disney loves to repeat winning formulas. They just went too far IMO.
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Post by Lux on Feb 24, 2023 22:22:02 GMT
The humor in the MCU isn't as bad as that it also depends on exactly the level of non humor you're wanting from these movies, why a multi billion dollar company like Marvel studios that cater to everyone including families too should switch to a joyless format that doesn't financially reward. Yes, the humor can at times be cheesy but so can the edgelords thinking serious all the time. These movies are in a way similar to theme parks, people go for two hours have a laugh and leave. Also, with the way the world is heading you won't have to worry about humor anymore anyway. Joker was more profitable than many MCU films. So was The Batman and The Dark Knight. Plus maybe Alien should have had more humour. Or Predator. Game of Thrones was extremely popular but how could that be? Plus it’s not just the level of humour but the quality. I felt that too often horrible, as was the writing in general. I find it to be an insult to literature to believe that is acceptable. And I find it to be very cynical to believe that lightheartedness is the only way to have popular appeal. It isn’t. It’s just the path that the MCU chose. I blame The Avengers too. The film isn’t horrible but it set the template and Disney loves to repeat winning formulas. They just went too far IMO. Joker had humorous scenes such as the infamous dancing like a twat down some stairs which was spoofed on social media after the movie was released by over eager fans in Joker cosplay. The Batman didn't make a billion the Dark Knight had Joker goofing around crime bosses and dressing like a female nurse. Do you people actually watch movies? Even alien had Ripley banter with crew members on the Nostromo. Don't think you're clever Power Ranger because you'll never be because you don't do your research prior and you wade into discussions thinking you know it all when you don't.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 24, 2023 22:42:45 GMT
Joker was more profitable than many MCU films. So was The Batman and The Dark Knight. Plus maybe Alien should have had more humour. Or Predator. Game of Thrones was extremely popular but how could that be? Plus it’s not just the level of humour but the quality. I felt that too often horrible, as was the writing in general. I find it to be an insult to literature to believe that is acceptable. And I find it to be very cynical to believe that lightheartedness is the only way to have popular appeal. It isn’t. It’s just the path that the MCU chose. I blame The Avengers too. The film isn’t horrible but it set the template and Disney loves to repeat winning formulas. They just went too far IMO. Joker had humorous scenes such as the infamous dancing like a twat down some stairs which was spoofed on social media after the movie was released by over eager fans in Joker cosplay. The Batman didn't make a billion the Dark Knight had Joker goofing around crime bosses and dressing like a female nurse. Do you people actually watch movies? Even alien had Ripley banter with crew members on the Nostromo. Don't think you're clever Power Ranger because you'll never be because you don't do your research prior and you wade into discussions thinking you know it all when you don't. I think the humour in Alien is a little different to that of the MCU films 🙄 You can defend the humour of the MCU all you like but I reckon that everyone finds cringe in it somewhere, even you. Drax’s sensitive nipples, maybe? I just think that the MCU had the potential to be legendary. Something that everyone was talking about and anticipating with every instalment. Yeah they are doing very well with ticket sales but that owes more to the designs and characters that already existed as opposed to the dialogue.
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Post by Lux on Feb 24, 2023 22:58:03 GMT
Joker had humorous scenes such as the infamous dancing like a twat down some stairs which was spoofed on social media after the movie was released by over eager fans in Joker cosplay. The Batman didn't make a billion the Dark Knight had Joker goofing around crime bosses and dressing like a female nurse. Do you people actually watch movies? Even alien had Ripley banter with crew members on the Nostromo. Don't think you're clever Power Ranger because you'll never be because you don't do your research prior and you wade into discussions thinking you know it all when you don't. I think the humour in Alien is a little different to that of the MCU films 🙄 You can defend the humour of the MCU all you like but I reckon that everyone finds cringe in it somewhere, even you. Drax’s sensitive nipples, maybe? I just think that the MCU had the potential to be legendary. Something that everyone was talking about and anticipating with every instalment. Yeah they are doing very well with ticket sales but that owes more to the designs and characters that already existed as opposed to the dialogue. You're the one that brought Alien into the discussion which is where the Ripley banter with the Nostromo team came into the discussion. Agreed on GOTG being shit have mentioned that various times mocking the dance off. It's not about defending MCU humor it's about finding successful films that haven't had humor in them and that's a rather difficult task. When you're having a discussion you need to bring up successful non humorous content as worthy alternatives which you and others on here have consistently failed catastrophically to achieve on this board.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 24, 2023 23:23:59 GMT
I think the humour in Alien is a little different to that of the MCU films 🙄 You can defend the humour of the MCU all you like but I reckon that everyone finds cringe in it somewhere, even you. Drax’s sensitive nipples, maybe? I just think that the MCU had the potential to be legendary. Something that everyone was talking about and anticipating with every instalment. Yeah they are doing very well with ticket sales but that owes more to the designs and characters that already existed as opposed to the dialogue. You're the one that brought Alien into the discussion which is where the Ripley banter with the Nostromo team came into the discussion. Agreed on GOTG being shit have mentioned that various times mocking the dance off. It's not about defending MCU humor it's about finding successful films that haven't had humor in them and that's a rather difficult task. When you're having a discussion you need to bring up successful non humorous content as worthy alternatives which you and others on here have consistently failed catastrophically to achieve on this board. Films like Alien had humour but it is usually of a consequential variety, in that it is a secondary effect. It isn’t the driver for the plot. Nor did it compromise the tone. Plus there is less of it in Alien than an MCU film. It’s not the fact that humour exists in the MCU. It’s that it’s too abundant, it’s poor quality and it cheapens the story. I think that guys in suits saw dollar signs in this formula and went for it without any other consideration. I know that the profit is all that matters to the studios and I can’t fault them really. I just think there was another approach that would have been equally as profitable or perhaps more profitable.
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Post by Lux on Feb 24, 2023 23:30:07 GMT
You're the one that brought Alien into the discussion which is where the Ripley banter with the Nostromo team came into the discussion. Agreed on GOTG being shit have mentioned that various times mocking the dance off. It's not about defending MCU humor it's about finding successful films that haven't had humor in them and that's a rather difficult task. When you're having a discussion you need to bring up successful non humorous content as worthy alternatives which you and others on here have consistently failed catastrophically to achieve on this board. Films like Alien had humour but it is usually of a consequential variety, in that it is a secondary effect. It isn’t the driver for the plot. Nor did it compromise the tone. Plus there is less of it in Alien than an MCU film. It’s not the fact that humour exists in the MCU. It’s that it’s too abundant, it’s poor quality and it cheapens the story. I think that guys in suits saw dollar signs in this formula and went for it without any other consideration. I know that the profit is all that matters to the studios and I can’t fault them really. I just think there was another approach that would have been equally as profitable or perhaps more profitable. No, the Alien humor did compromise the tone you're on an alien planet on a ship sent by an employer whose motives haven't properly been communicated to you yet you think the situation warrants banter? Much like Joker being a twat laughing down some stairs. There wasn't less of it in Alien than in an MCU movie when you're starting off what are characters abandoned in the middle of nowhere thinking it's party time.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 24, 2023 23:36:30 GMT
Films like Alien had humour but it is usually of a consequential variety, in that it is a secondary effect. It isn’t the driver for the plot. Nor did it compromise the tone. Plus there is less of it in Alien than an MCU film. It’s not the fact that humour exists in the MCU. It’s that it’s too abundant, it’s poor quality and it cheapens the story. I think that guys in suits saw dollar signs in this formula and went for it without any other consideration. I know that the profit is all that matters to the studios and I can’t fault them really. I just think there was another approach that would have been equally as profitable or perhaps more profitable. No, the Alien humor did compromise the tone you're on an alien planet on a ship sent by an employer whose motives haven't properly been communicated to you yet you think the situation warrants banter? Much like Joker being a twat laughing down some stairs. There wasn't less of it in Alien than in an MCU movie when you're starting off what are characters abandoned in the middle of nowhere thinking it's party time. You’re a troll and a pretty good one.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 25, 2023 0:56:40 GMT
The humor in the MCU isn't as bad as that it also depends on exactly the level of non humor you're wanting from these movies, why a multi billion dollar company like Marvel studios that cater to everyone including families too should switch to a joyless format that doesn't financially reward. Yes, the humor can at times be cheesy but so can the edgelords thinking serious all the time. These movies are in a way similar to theme parks, people go for two hours have a laugh and leave. Also, with the way the world is heading you won't have to worry about humor anymore anyway. Joker was more profitable than many MCU films. So was The Batman and The Dark Knight. Plus maybe Alien should have had more humour. Or Predator. Game of Thrones was extremely popular but how could that be? Plus it’s not just the level of humour but the quality. I felt that too often horrible, as was the writing in general. I find it to be an insult to literature to believe that is acceptable. And I find it to be very cynical to believe that lightheartedness is the only way to have popular appeal. It isn’t. It’s just the path that the MCU chose. I blame The Avengers too. The film isn’t horrible but it set the template and Disney loves to repeat winning formulas. They just went too far IMO. This is neither here nor there, but GOT actually had plenty of humor to offset its often bleak tone. In fact, I feel it's the lack of humor and distinct personalities of the characters that makes HOTD much less enjoyable to watch. Regarding the topic at large, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. You brought up great examples of films with darker tones that were successful in every sense. Marvel also has a winning formula with a more lighthearted approach. Deadpool mixes mature content with relentless comedy and also makes a ton of money. It's all about what the audience wants out of that property, and I think the filmmakers of the specific films you mentioned all hit the nail on the head. Though within any franchise there will be hits and misses.
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Feb 26, 2023 3:17:28 GMT
The Joker dancing down the stairs is not comic relief.
Like all the other "funny" moments in that film, it is not humorous in the sense of "haha funny" but is meant to illustrate his psychosis, part of which is him fancying himself some kind of star or true artist.
That being said, the problem with the MCU is not that it has humor in it, but rather that the humor is often juvenile and puerile.
"America's ass"? I mean, really.
Captain America is the most dignified of the Avengers, especially in his own films. Not so much the Avengers films, but he is still heads and shoulders above the rest.
As entertaining as he is, Robert Downey Jr.'s rendition of Tony Stark/Iron Man is not at all the character portrayed in the comics.
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