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Post by blockbusted on Feb 28, 2023 17:13:44 GMT
Uh-huh, and the all Male Trinity walking over to Thanos...that WASN'T just as cringe? No because they were the OG trio and desserved the narrative purpose of taking on Thanos, who first appeared at the end of Avengers where Thor, IM and Cap had defeated the Chitauri, The difference is that X-Women scene came off as astoundingly mean-spirited no matter how you look at it while, at worst, this looked more like a fanservice that simply didn’t work out so well.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 28, 2023 18:01:05 GMT
You're acting like X-Men wasn't already heavy handed and had heavy political preaching.
People complaining about politics in comics have never really read comics.
It was never on the nose and wasnt pushed in your face. The 90s animated series did a perfect job handling the balance. I have little hope for this re-boot Xmen '97 animated series they are planinng because the original writers are only present for ''consultation'' which means they will get little to no actual input into the stories. And the new MCU X-men movies may be take the neutral equality approach of classic X-men and mangle it with modern day woke nonsense to bastardize the characters and stories by race swapping, making characters gay when they they were never, pushing agendas and distorting origins. Theyve already started it by making Kamala Khan a mutant! Don’t be silly. Kamala Khan being a Mutant doesn’t mean that she’ll become an X-Men member, not to mention that the fundamental blame for her being a Mutant can be tracked back to Ike Perlmutter’s stupidity.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 28, 2023 18:07:15 GMT
Uh-huh, and the all Male Trinity walking over to Thanos...that WASN'T just as cringe? You have some of the worst opinions on anything I've ever seen a human have.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 28, 2023 18:08:27 GMT
The 90s show was terrible with "balance", and it fell apart completely by the last season. That show had the Mutant Haters be insane barbarians like Graydon Creed and never once tried to present any Humans who had logical reasons for fearing Mutant Power. You had evil mutants running around causing destruction like Magneto, Apocalypse and Juggernaut. Thats enough reason for people to fear mutant power. A throw away 3 second line meant for comedic relief, not a monologue we see from the likes of Falcon or She Hulk beating the viewer over the head with their socio-political grifes. Its warranted with the way MCU has been headed since Endgame. Sidelining and playing their male heroes as goofs whilst pushing their female counterparts as superior. Modern day X-men have been established since the 70s. I'm seeing people want all sorts of race swapping to occur, from the Fantastic 4 to guys like Prof X and Magneto. Its absurd, but no doubt Disney will do it given the pressure from certain segments from the audience. I hope they do, because majority of fans will reject it and at least we will have true character depictions from the Fox movies in terms of appearance. Its just the trend now, to make superheroes suddenly discover they were gay/bi all along. Its retcon creative bankrupty. Hahaha yeh sure. Established characters and origins should not be significantly changed, unless its necessary for someone like Magneto. Anything else is fan fiction. 1. What are you talking about? Doctor Strange wasn’t even treated in that manner and Jane Foster is dead now. 2. They kind of have to alter Magneto’s origin since Holocaust survivors are kind of too old now. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets rewritten as an Apartheid survivor. 3. MCU has already altered Iron Man’s origin right from the start.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 28, 2023 19:36:17 GMT
1. What are you talking about? Doctor Strange wasn’t even treated in that manner and Jane Foster is dead now. Doctor Strange spends the entire movie getting outfought and outsmarted. And in the final fight, Wanda beats him definitively and its America Chavez who eventually subdues Wanda. Pretty pathetic that the hero of his own movie is made so redundant throughout and cant even defeat the villain himself. And thats after No Way Home when they demoted Strange from Sorcerer Supreme and made him into a reckless maniac after going ahead with the spell without proper foresight. Jane Foster is dead, but again throughout the movie Thor is presenter as a goof. And during the final fight, its Lady Thor who ultimately defeats Gorr, leaving real Thor sidelined. I agree Its not that different
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 28, 2023 19:58:09 GMT
1. What are you talking about? Doctor Strange wasn’t even treated in that manner and Jane Foster is dead now. Doctor Strange spends the entire movie getting outfought and outsmarted. And in the final fight, Wanda beats him definitively and its America Chavez who eventually subdues Wanda. Pretty pathetic that the hero of his own movie is made so redundant throughout and cant even defeat the villain himself. And thats after No Way Home when they demoted Strange from Sorcerer Supreme and made him into a reckless maniac after going ahead with the spell without proper foresight. Jane Foster is dead, but again throughout the movie Thor is presenter as a goof. And during the final fight, its Lady Thor who ultimately defeats Gorr, leaving real Thor sidelined. I agree Its not that different 1. Doctor Strange still held off quite well against Scarlet Witch, not to mention that what the film did with her towards the end of the film actually worked quite well. Keep in mind, even in the first film, he only defeated Dormammu(?) by being resilient, not to mention that he got dusted for 5 years, so someone had to take over as Sorcerer Supreme. And when it comes to Thor, he didn’t really defeat Hela at all, not to mention that he still played a pivotal role in stopping Gorr from killing all gods. 2. I mean, it makes sense that Magneto would get redeveloped as an Apartheid survivor considering that it’s widely considered as the second most vile race-related atrocity after Holocaust, not to mention that it lasted until late 1980s or so. Keep in mind, Marvel already has a loose connection to Apartheid since one of their actors, John Kani, actually lost his left eye due to an Apartheid-related brutality.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 21:36:12 GMT
The 90s show was terrible with "balance", and it fell apart completely by the last season. That show had the Mutant Haters be insane barbarians like Graydon Creed and never once tried to present any Humans who had logical reasons for fearing Mutant Power. You had evil mutants running around causing destruction like Magneto, Apocalypse and Juggernaut. Thats enough reason for people to fear mutant power. A throw away 3 second line meant for comedic relief, not a monologue we see from the likes of Falcon or She Hulk beating the viewer over the head with their socio-political grifes. Its warranted with the way MCU has been headed since Endgame. Sidelining and playing their male heroes as goofs whilst pushing their female counterparts as superior. Modern day X-men have been established since the 70s. I'm seeing people want all sorts of race swapping to occur, from the Fantastic 4 to guys like Prof X and Magneto. Its absurd, but no doubt Disney will do it given the pressure from certain segments from the audience. I hope they do, because majority of fans will reject it and at least we will have true character depictions from the Fox movies in terms of appearance. Its just the trend now, to make superheroes suddenly discover they were gay/bi all along. Its retcon creative bankrupty. Hahaha yeh sure. Established characters and origins should not be significantly changed, unless its necessary for someone like Magneto. Anything else is fan fiction. And anytime anyone brought those guys up, they were always made out to be WRONG for fearing them. That's the 90s shows idea of "balance".
Oh, but Xaviers' speeches about his sociopolitical views are A-Okay?
And no, that line wasn't a throwaway joke.
They've never made any pre-existing male hero look bad to make a woman look better. That's a Boogeyman complaint.
The FF, Xavier and Magneto should be updated. Them being white was the mistake to begin with. FOX didn't have the courage to do what should have been done.
This was stuff Marvel wanted to do for decades, they finally got the okay. And in Iceman's case, it made sense given his character history.
Yes, if you did your homework.
Outdated characters should get updated, like how Bucky was updated from Cap's kid sidekick to his adult best friend.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 21:36:50 GMT
Uh-huh, and the all Male Trinity walking over to Thanos...that WASN'T just as cringe? No because they were the OG trio and desserved the narrative purpose of taking on Thanos, who first appeared at the end of Avengers where Thor, IM and Cap had defeated the Chitauri, So double standards then. "They're the OG so absolutely everything about them is okay".
Lazy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 21:38:16 GMT
Uh-huh, and the all Male Trinity walking over to Thanos...that WASN'T just as cringe? You have some of the worst opinions on anything I've ever seen a human have. I refuse to jump on the idiot hater bandwagon like so many fairweather fans have.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 28, 2023 22:11:26 GMT
1. Doctor Strange still held off quite well against Scarlet Witch, not to mention that what the film did with her towards the end of the film actually worked quite well. Keep in mind, even in the first film, he only defeated Dormammu(?) by being resilient, not to mention that he got dusted for 5 years, so someone had to take over as Sorcerer Supreme. And when it comes to Thor, he didn’t really defeat Hela at all, not to mention that he still played a pivotal role in stopping Gorr from killing all gods. Excuses. Strange still overcame Dormamu on his own. Thor turns the tide against Hela on his own, when he has the dedicated power up scene in his flashback with his father. He didnt need an inferior supporting cast to overcome Hela in the final fight. Unlike in the newer movies where zombie Strange and Thor are getting manhandlded by their villains, and need outside help from strong Wahmen to turn the tide. Even Antman in the new movie needed Wasp to defeat Kang after he was smashing Antman. Hmm I see a pattern developing.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 28, 2023 22:22:25 GMT
You had evil mutants running around causing destruction like Magneto, Apocalypse and Juggernaut. Thats enough reason for people to fear mutant power. A throw away 3 second line meant for comedic relief, not a monologue we see from the likes of Falcon or She Hulk beating the viewer over the head with their socio-political grifes. Its warranted with the way MCU has been headed since Endgame. Sidelining and playing their male heroes as goofs whilst pushing their female counterparts as superior. Modern day X-men have been established since the 70s. I'm seeing people want all sorts of race swapping to occur, from the Fantastic 4 to guys like Prof X and Magneto. Its absurd, but no doubt Disney will do it given the pressure from certain segments from the audience. I hope they do, because majority of fans will reject it and at least we will have true character depictions from the Fox movies in terms of appearance. Its just the trend now, to make superheroes suddenly discover they were gay/bi all along. Its retcon creative bankrupty. Hahaha yeh sure. Established characters and origins should not be significantly changed, unless its necessary for someone like Magneto. Anything else is fan fiction. And anytime anyone brought those guys up, they were always made out to be WRONG for fearing them. That's the 90s shows idea of "balance".
Oh, but Xaviers' speeches about his sociopolitical views are A-Okay?
And no, that line wasn't a throwaway joke.
They've never made any pre-existing male hero look bad to make a woman look better. That's a Boogeyman complaint.
The FF, Xavier and Magneto should be updated. Them being white was the mistake to begin with. FOX didn't have the courage to do what should have been done.
This was stuff Marvel wanted to do for decades, they finally got the okay. And in Iceman's case, it made sense given his character history.
Yes, if you did your homework.
Outdated characters should get updated, like how Bucky was updated from Cap's kid sidekick to his adult best friend.
Why was it a mistake to have the Fantastic Four, Xavier, and Magneto be white in the first place? I also don't think race changing either Xavier or Magneto would go over very well because it would drastically change their long-standing character histories. Not to mention Magneto is Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's father (This was retconned a few years ago, I understand, but most people familiar with Marvel still do consider them as biologically related).
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 28, 2023 22:41:36 GMT
1. Doctor Strange still held off quite well against Scarlet Witch, not to mention that what the film did with her towards the end of the film actually worked quite well. Keep in mind, even in the first film, he only defeated Dormammu(?) by being resilient, not to mention that he got dusted for 5 years, so someone had to take over as Sorcerer Supreme. And when it comes to Thor, he didn’t really defeat Hela at all, not to mention that he still played a pivotal role in stopping Gorr from killing all gods. Excuses. Strange still overcame Dormamu on his own. Thor turns the tide against Hela on his own, when he has the dedicated power up scene in his flashback with his father. He didnt need an inferior supporting cast to overcome Hela in the final fight. Unlike in the newer movies where zombie Strange and Thor are getting manhandlded by their villains, and need outside help from strong Wahmen to turn the tide. Even Antman in the new movie needed Wasp to defeat Kang after he was smashing Antman. Hmm I see a pattern developing. 1. This is a p!ss-poor claim. Not only Scarlet Witch was getting visibly powerful since Phase 3, but Doctor Strange dreamwalking on a rotting corpse might’ve put some limits on his abilities. I mean, those evil spirits looked quite painful to deal with. 2. Jane may have helped Gorr changing his mind, but Thor’s contribution is nothing to sneeze at. I mean, if he didn’t stop him from wishing all gods to die, Jane’s efforts to defeat him would’ve been for nothing. And no, Thor literally said that his attack did Jack sh!t to Hela.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 28, 2023 22:46:04 GMT
And anytime anyone brought those guys up, they were always made out to be WRONG for fearing them. That's the 90s shows idea of "balance".
Oh, but Xaviers' speeches about his sociopolitical views are A-Okay?
And no, that line wasn't a throwaway joke.
They've never made any pre-existing male hero look bad to make a woman look better. That's a Boogeyman complaint.
The FF, Xavier and Magneto should be updated. Them being white was the mistake to begin with. FOX didn't have the courage to do what should have been done.
This was stuff Marvel wanted to do for decades, they finally got the okay. And in Iceman's case, it made sense given his character history.
Yes, if you did your homework.
Outdated characters should get updated, like how Bucky was updated from Cap's kid sidekick to his adult best friend.
Why was it a mistake to have the Fantastic Four, Xavier, and Magneto be white in the first place? I also don't think race changing either Xavier or Magneto would go over very well because it would drastically change their long-standing character histories. Not to mention Magneto is Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's father (This was retconned a few years ago, I understand, but most people familiar with Marvel still do consider them as biologically related). I don’t think it was a mistake to keep them white at the time, but at least with Magneto, they probably need to alter his origin at least partly due to Holocaust survivors getting too old nowadays, which is why I suggested changing his origin from being a Holocaust survivor to being an Apartheid survivor. I don’t know a whole lot about what happened after Holocaust, but I don’t feel like making him a descendant to a Holocaust survivor is going to have as much impact considering that Germany actually made an official apology about Holocaust AND is basically treating hate speech as a crime at least partly because of that. Keep in mind, MCU already has history of altering origin stories to fit the time and they’ve been doing that right from the start. Also, I think it’s been established that Pietro and Wanda’s father is NOT Magneto in MCU.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 28, 2023 23:19:24 GMT
1. Doctor Strange still held off quite well against Scarlet Witch, not to mention that what the film did with her towards the end of the film actually worked quite well. Keep in mind, even in the first film, he only defeated Dormammu(?) by being resilient, not to mention that he got dusted for 5 years, so someone had to take over as Sorcerer Supreme. And when it comes to Thor, he didn’t really defeat Hela at all, not to mention that he still played a pivotal role in stopping Gorr from killing all gods. Excuses. Strange still overcame Dormamu on his own. Thor turns the tide against Hela on his own, when he has the dedicated power up scene in his flashback with his father. He didnt need an inferior supporting cast to overcome Hela in the final fight. Unlike in the newer movies where zombie Strange and Thor are getting manhandlded by their villains, and need outside help from strong Wahmen to turn the tide. Even Antman in the new movie needed Wasp to defeat Kang after he was smashing Antman. Hmm I see a pattern developing. Thor got his ass beat by Hela. They had to summon Surtur to defeat her. Heroes not being able to get a clean win against the villains has been a problem for a while now. They're never allowed to win alone anymore.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 1, 2023 0:46:48 GMT
Why was it a mistake to have the Fantastic Four, Xavier, and Magneto be white in the first place? I also don't think race changing either Xavier or Magneto would go over very well because it would drastically change their long-standing character histories. Not to mention Magneto is Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's father (This was retconned a few years ago, I understand, but most people familiar with Marvel still do consider them as biologically related). I don’t think it was a mistake to keep them white at the time, but at least with Magneto, they probably need to alter his origin at least partly due to Holocaust survivors getting too old nowadays, which is why I suggested changing his origin from being a Holocaust survivor to being an Apartheid survivor. I don’t know a whole lot about what happened after Holocaust, but I don’t feel like making him a descendant to a Holocaust survivor is going to have as much impact considering that Germany actually made an official apology about Holocaust AND is basically treating hate speech as a crime at least partly because of that. Keep in mind, MCU already has history of altering origin stories to fit the time and they’ve been doing that right from the start. Also, I think it’s been established that Pietro and Wanda’s father is NOT Magneto in MCU. I recognize that Marvel Studios has made changes to the origins of many of its characters that they have pulled from the comic books, but I think changing Magneto from a Jewish man who survived the Holocaust would be a mistake, it's very important to his backstory. You can try to modernize him and change his backstory and background, but I think at some point the question of why not create a new character would be raised. There are other things in Charles and Erik's histories that race changing would also significantly alter. That is correct, however, assuming Deadpool 3 makes every other X-Men related media made under 20th Century FOX before the Disney acquisition canon to the multiverse an argument can be made that a variant of Erik is the biological father to Pietro and Wanda in the 616 universe, but that depends on what Marvel Studios decides to go about it. If the theory on Deadpool 3 is completely wrong, then there's probably no need to speculate any further.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 1, 2023 1:32:02 GMT
1. Doctor Strange still held off quite well against Scarlet Witch, not to mention that what the film did with her towards the end of the film actually worked quite well. Keep in mind, even in the first film, he only defeated Dormammu(?) by being resilient, not to mention that he got dusted for 5 years, so someone had to take over as Sorcerer Supreme. And when it comes to Thor, he didn’t really defeat Hela at all, not to mention that he still played a pivotal role in stopping Gorr from killing all gods. Excuses. Strange still overcame Dormamu on his own. Thor turns the tide against Hela on his own, when he has the dedicated power up scene in his flashback with his father. He didnt need an inferior supporting cast to overcome Hela in the final fight. Unlike in the newer movies where zombie Strange and Thor are getting manhandlded by their villains, and need outside help from strong Wahmen to turn the tide. Even Antman in the new movie needed Wasp to defeat Kang after he was smashing Antman. Hmm I see a pattern developing. Dr Strange didn't defeat Dormammu, he stalemated him using a technicality. And Thor didn't defeat Hela, Surtur did.
Oh so you're mad at the hero being imperfect and not being invincible? Thor did better in Love and Thunder than he did in Ragnarok.
Ant-Man always needed help to fight his villains BTW.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 1, 2023 1:34:43 GMT
And anytime anyone brought those guys up, they were always made out to be WRONG for fearing them. That's the 90s shows idea of "balance".
Oh, but Xaviers' speeches about his sociopolitical views are A-Okay?
And no, that line wasn't a throwaway joke.
They've never made any pre-existing male hero look bad to make a woman look better. That's a Boogeyman complaint.
The FF, Xavier and Magneto should be updated. Them being white was the mistake to begin with. FOX didn't have the courage to do what should have been done.
This was stuff Marvel wanted to do for decades, they finally got the okay. And in Iceman's case, it made sense given his character history.
Yes, if you did your homework.
Outdated characters should get updated, like how Bucky was updated from Cap's kid sidekick to his adult best friend.
Why was it a mistake to have the Fantastic Four, Xavier, and Magneto be white in the first place? I also don't think race changing either Xavier or Magneto would go over very well because it would drastically change their long-standing character histories. Not to mention Magneto is Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's father (This was retconned a few years ago, I understand, but most people familiar with Marvel still do consider them as biologically related). Magneto wasn't their father originally, him being their father was the later retcon which ITSELF was undone later.
It was a mistake because having the entirety of the Marvel cast of characters be homogeneous is innately lazy, and nothing would've been changed if Xavier wasn't a white man. Heck, Magneto being white and Xavier being Black would've made for quite the dynamic back then.
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Post by blockbusted on Mar 1, 2023 2:55:24 GMT
I don’t think it was a mistake to keep them white at the time, but at least with Magneto, they probably need to alter his origin at least partly due to Holocaust survivors getting too old nowadays, which is why I suggested changing his origin from being a Holocaust survivor to being an Apartheid survivor. I don’t know a whole lot about what happened after Holocaust, but I don’t feel like making him a descendant to a Holocaust survivor is going to have as much impact considering that Germany actually made an official apology about Holocaust AND is basically treating hate speech as a crime at least partly because of that. Keep in mind, MCU already has history of altering origin stories to fit the time and they’ve been doing that right from the start. Also, I think it’s been established that Pietro and Wanda’s father is NOT Magneto in MCU. I recognize that Marvel Studios has made changes to the origins of many of its characters that they have pulled from the comic books, but I think changing Magneto from a Jewish man who survived the Holocaust would be a mistake, it's very important to his backstory. You can try to modernize him and change his backstory and background, but I think at some point the question of why not create a new character would be raised. There are other things in Charles and Erik's histories that race changing would also significantly alter. That is correct, however, assuming Deadpool 3 makes every other X-Men related media made under 20th Century FOX before the Disney acquisition canon to the multiverse an argument can be made that a variant of Erik is the biological father to Pietro and Wanda in the 616 universe, but that depends on what Marvel Studios decides to go about it. If the theory on Deadpool 3 is completely wrong, then there's probably no need to speculate any further. 1. If I’m being honest, I haven’t read original comics, so I could be talking out of my anus here, but I still have a feeling that there is a way to make them black and still retain a lot of their characteristics like Professor X growing up in a more accepting society and Magneto growing up during the time of Apartheid. Keep in mind, their respective inspirations were Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. Like I’ve said, using Holocaust as an origin would not work quite well due to Holocaust survivors being too old and making Mutants aging slower wouldn’t really feel right either. 2. I kind of doubt that Marvel is going to do that since that might overcomplicate things. If anything, I feel like they’re saving original X-Men casts for ‘Secret Wars’ - but that’s my personal opinion.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 1, 2023 3:38:33 GMT
Why was it a mistake to have the Fantastic Four, Xavier, and Magneto be white in the first place? I also don't think race changing either Xavier or Magneto would go over very well because it would drastically change their long-standing character histories. Not to mention Magneto is Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's father (This was retconned a few years ago, I understand, but most people familiar with Marvel still do consider them as biologically related). Magneto wasn't their father originally, him being their father was the later retcon which ITSELF was undone later.
It was a mistake because having the entirety of the Marvel cast of characters be homogeneous is innately lazy, and nothing would've been changed if Xavier wasn't a white man. Heck, Magneto being white and Xavier being Black would've made for quite the dynamic back then.
They still made him their father and the relationship was written as such for a number of years and it made its way into other media like film, animation, video games, etc. Marvel may say that they originally didn't want to portray Magneto as their biological father and have in recent years written the twins as more like his adopted children, but most consumers still consider Magneto to be their actual father. It was 62 years ago when the Fantastic Four were first published and 60 for the X-Men, Timley had just rebranded itself as Marvel and the universe was still being figured out and developed by Lee and Kirby and neither of them are around to address such criticism. The Marvel universe had become more diverse in the years that had followed.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 1, 2023 3:53:05 GMT
I recognize that Marvel Studios has made changes to the origins of many of its characters that they have pulled from the comic books, but I think changing Magneto from a Jewish man who survived the Holocaust would be a mistake, it's very important to his backstory. You can try to modernize him and change his backstory and background, but I think at some point the question of why not create a new character would be raised. There are other things in Charles and Erik's histories that race changing would also significantly alter. That is correct, however, assuming Deadpool 3 makes every other X-Men related media made under 20th Century FOX before the Disney acquisition canon to the multiverse an argument can be made that a variant of Erik is the biological father to Pietro and Wanda in the 616 universe, but that depends on what Marvel Studios decides to go about it. If the theory on Deadpool 3 is completely wrong, then there's probably no need to speculate any further. 1. If I’m being honest, I haven’t read original comics, so I could be talking out of my anus here, but I still have a feeling that there is a way to make them black and still retain a lot of their characteristics like Professor X growing up in a more accepting society and Magneto growing up during the time of Apartheid. Keep in mind, their respective inspirations were Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. Like I’ve said, using Holocaust as an origin would not work quite well due to Holocaust survivors being too old and making Mutants aging slower wouldn’t really feel right either. 2. I kind of doubt that Marvel is going to do that since that might overcomplicate things. If anything, I feel like they’re saving original X-Men casts for ‘Secret Wars’ - but that’s my personal opinion. Actually, Xavier and Magneto were not inspired by Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X, that is a popular misconception given the decade of the 1960's. If anything, the two characters and their dynamic were influenced by Israeli Prime Minsters David Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin. Via Screenrant.com, linkWhy wouldn't having there be a gene that allows mutants to age slower be a bad thing? I think there are other ways to retain Magneto's canonical backstory and explain his presence in modern times, but other mutants, like Wolverine, have such a gene. Actually, saying Magneto is their father in one timeline but not in the other would be complicating things. The Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield, and Tobey Maguire Spider-Men are all very different from each other but they're still Peter Parker and are related to Ben and May Parker.
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