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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 27, 2023 13:17:51 GMT
I think The X-Men could reinvigorate the MCU but the MCU will need to change the way it operates. It needs better writing. Also it needs to stop the heavy partisan political preaching.
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Post by scabab on Feb 27, 2023 13:31:30 GMT
Who knows, maybe the costumes will be more interesting. Just hopefully they don't make then either too comedic or political.
Either way, it needed a fresh start. The Fox X-Men series was long played out.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 27, 2023 13:44:39 GMT
I think The X-Men could reinvigorate the MCU but the MCU will need to change the way it operates. It needs better writing. Also it needs to stop the heavy partisan political preaching. You're acting like X-Men wasn't already heavy handed and had heavy political preaching.
People complaining about politics in comics have never really read comics.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 27, 2023 13:55:45 GMT
I think The X-Men could reinvigorate the MCU but the MCU will need to change the way it operates. It needs better writing. Also it needs to stop the heavy partisan political preaching. You're acting like X-Men wasn't already heavy handed and had heavy political preaching.
People complaining about politics in comics have never really read comics.
It don’t know if it was ‘heavy handed’ but the politics of the X-Men of the 90s and before doesn’t have much in common with the current zeitgeist.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 27, 2023 14:50:31 GMT
Eh, the XMEN movies always danced back and forth on that.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 27, 2023 16:03:28 GMT
Eh, the XMEN movies always danced back and forth on that. I’m well aware of their progressive LGBT stance (it wasn’t exactly subtle) but at least then they were happy being called the X-Men.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 27, 2023 20:30:34 GMT
Eh, the XMEN movies always danced back and forth on that. I’m well aware of their progressive LGBT stance (it wasn’t exactly subtle) but at least then they were happy being called the X-Men. Did you literally forget X-Women scene? MCU hasn’t done anything that was cringeworthy on that level - at least when it comes to films. I haven’t seen enough TV series to judge those.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 27, 2023 21:03:21 GMT
There's a difference between how socio-political topics were included in comics in the past and how they're being used today in modern media.
In the past, socio-political angles were generally included in a story to make both the story and characters more relatable. It gave them more humanity and helped flesh out the characters. That's quite different from using the story as a medium to preach about a socio-political message, which is how it's being used today.
That said, it's not like old shows didn't preach one message or another. Older shows like He-Man and Captain Planet generally used their shows to preach some kind of message, except in the past it was a more universal message like help the poor, or don't kill endangered species, or be kind to others, etc. Nowadays the socio-political message tends to be a more divisive stance and something that isn't quite universal in acceptance.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 27, 2023 21:52:52 GMT
With Marvel Studios taking cues from more recent runs in the comic book division of the company, and given that the majority of current X-Men titles not being of good quality, I worry that when the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduces the X-Men as a film series they won't be what long-time readers will want to see.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 3:13:18 GMT
You're acting like X-Men wasn't already heavy handed and had heavy political preaching.
People complaining about politics in comics have never really read comics.
It don’t know if it was ‘heavy handed’ but the politics of the X-Men of the 90s and before doesn’t have much in common with the current zeitgeist. Right, like right now we aren't dealing with outdated older generations who are violently rejecting the newer people who aren't fitting in their outdated boxes of gender and sexuality.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 3:14:13 GMT
There's a difference between how socio-political topics were included in comics in the past and how they're being used today in modern media. In the past, socio-political angles were generally included in a story to make both the story and characters more relatable. It gave them more humanity and helped flesh out the characters. That's quite different from using the story as a medium to preach about a socio-political message, which is how it's being used today. That said, it's not like old shows didn't preach one message or another. Older shows like He-Man and Captain Planet generally used their shows to preach some kind of message, except in the past it was a more universal message like help the poor, or don't kill endangered species, or be kind to others, etc. Nowadays the socio-political message tends to be a more divisive stance and something that isn't quite universal in acceptance. It's only divisive themes from an older, outdated POV.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 3:14:47 GMT
With Marvel Studios taking cues from more recent runs in the comic book division of the company, and given that the majority of current X-Men titles not being of good quality, I worry that when the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduces the X-Men as a film series they won't be what long-time readers will want to see. Long-time readers haven't been happy with the comics since the early 90s.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 28, 2023 4:58:55 GMT
With Marvel Studios taking cues from more recent runs in the comic book division of the company, and given that the majority of current X-Men titles not being of good quality, I worry that when the Marvel Cinematic Universe introduces the X-Men as a film series they won't be what long-time readers will want to see. Long-time readers haven't been happy with the comics since the early 90s. If memory serves Genesis, Wolverine / Gambit, Essential X-Men by Claremont, House of M, Utopia, The Messiah Saga, Shattered, Old Ghost, Divided We Stand, Age of X, Cry Wolf, The Dark Angel Saga, Ultimate War, Riot at Xavier's, Assault on Weapon Plus, Planet X, Origin, Ghost Box, Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, E is for Extinction, Peter David's run on X-Factor and Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men were pretty well-liked by long-time readers. All produced after the early 90's.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 28, 2023 10:24:00 GMT
I think The X-Men could reinvigorate the MCU but the MCU will need to change the way it operates. It needs better writing. Also it needs to stop the heavy partisan political preaching. You're acting like X-Men wasn't already heavy handed and had heavy political preaching.
People complaining about politics in comics have never really read comics.
It was never on the nose and wasnt pushed in your face. The 90s animated series did a perfect job handling the balance. I have little hope for this re-boot Xmen '97 animated series they are planinng because the original writers are only present for ''consultation'' which means they will get little to no actual input into the stories. And the new MCU X-men movies may be take the neutral equality approach of classic X-men and mangle it with modern day woke nonsense to bastardize the characters and stories by race swapping, making characters gay when they they were never, pushing agendas and distorting origins. Theyve already started it by making Kamala Khan a mutant!
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Post by charzhino on Feb 28, 2023 10:30:24 GMT
I’m well aware of their progressive LGBT stance (it wasn’t exactly subtle) but at least then they were happy being called the X-Men. Did you literally forget X-Women scene? MCU hasn’t done anything that was cringeworthy on that level - at least when it comes to films. I haven’t seen enough TV series to judge those.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 13:24:55 GMT
Long-time readers haven't been happy with the comics since the early 90s. If memory serves Genesis, Wolverine / Gambit, Essential X-Men by Claremont, House of M, Utopia, The Messiah Saga, Shattered, Old Ghost, Divided We Stand, Age of X, Cry Wolf, The Dark Angel Saga, Ultimate War, Riot at Xavier's, Assault on Weapon Plus, Planet X, Origin, Ghost Box, Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, E is for Extinction, Peter David's run on X-Factor and Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men were pretty well-liked by long-time readers. All produced after the early 90's. A few small stories in the sludge of the overall 90s and 2000s. Admittedly things have been looking up since Utopia, but the X-Men never really went back to the heights they were in in the 80s and early 90s.
The fans would happily toss ALL that out if the X-Men could somehow be rebooted back to the early 90s. That's how "loyal" they are.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 13:28:06 GMT
You're acting like X-Men wasn't already heavy handed and had heavy political preaching.
People complaining about politics in comics have never really read comics.
It was never on the nose and wasnt pushed in your face. The 90s animated series did a perfect job handling the balance. I have little hope for this re-boot Xmen '97 animated series they are planinng because the original writers are only present for ''consultation'' which means they will get little to no actual input into the stories. And the new MCU X-men movies may be take the neutral equality approach of classic X-men and mangle it with modern day woke nonsense to bastardize the characters and stories by race swapping, making characters gay when they they were never, pushing agendas and distorting origins. Theyve already started it by making Kamala Khan a mutant! The 90s show was terrible with "balance", and it fell apart completely by the last season. That show had the Mutant Haters be insane barbarians like Graydon Creed and never once tried to present any Humans who had logical reasons for fearing Mutant Power.
"Have you tried not being a mutant?", sorry but it doesn't get more in your face than that.
You use Boogeyman words like "woke", you lose credibility.
Race Swapping, boy you'd have gone insane if you'd been around when they got rid of the all-white original X-Men to replace them with a multi-ethnic team in the 70s.
Having people realize their sexuality later in life happens, deal with it. The writers had wanted to make Iceman be homosexual since the 1980s but couldn't get the go-ahead until recently.
Pushing agendas, like comics always have.
Kamala's creators always wanted her to be a mutant, but the management at the time said no. Now they're correcting that.
You're not much of a real fan with these outdated attitudes.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 28, 2023 13:28:38 GMT
Did you literally forget X-Women scene? MCU hasn’t done anything that was cringeworthy on that level - at least when it comes to films. I haven’t seen enough TV series to judge those. Uh-huh, and the all Male Trinity walking over to Thanos...that WASN'T just as cringe?
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Post by charzhino on Feb 28, 2023 16:28:33 GMT
The 90s show was terrible with "balance", and it fell apart completely by the last season. That show had the Mutant Haters be insane barbarians like Graydon Creed and never once tried to present any Humans who had logical reasons for fearing Mutant Power. You had evil mutants running around causing destruction like Magneto, Apocalypse and Juggernaut. Thats enough reason for people to fear mutant power. A throw away 3 second line meant for comedic relief, not a monologue we see from the likes of Falcon or She Hulk beating the viewer over the head with their socio-political grifes. Its warranted with the way MCU has been headed since Endgame. Sidelining and playing their male heroes as goofs whilst pushing their female counterparts as superior. Modern day X-men have been established since the 70s. I'm seeing people want all sorts of race swapping to occur, from the Fantastic 4 to guys like Prof X and Magneto. Its absurd, but no doubt Disney will do it given the pressure from certain segments from the audience. I hope they do, because majority of fans will reject it and at least we will have true character depictions from the Fox movies in terms of appearance. Its just the trend now, to make superheroes suddenly discover they were gay/bi all along. Its retcon creative bankrupty. Hahaha yeh sure. Established characters and origins should not be significantly changed, unless its necessary for someone like Magneto. Anything else is fan fiction.
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Post by charzhino on Feb 28, 2023 16:30:25 GMT
Uh-huh, and the all Male Trinity walking over to Thanos...that WASN'T just as cringe? No because they were the OG trio and desserved the narrative purpose of taking on Thanos, who first appeared at the end of Avengers where Thor, IM and Cap had defeated the Chitauri,
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