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Post by Marv on Mar 6, 2023 1:19:23 GMT
Not only have I never heard of her, but I'm also having difficulty trusting the judgement of a 20 something nobody over that of a master filmmaker like Scorcese. You don't have to trust her on anything. As someone who has been watching movies as far back as I can remember, I don't need actresses or filmmakers to tell me what my thoughts and opinions should be.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 6, 2023 1:20:40 GMT
Not only have I never heard of her, but I'm also having difficulty trusting the judgement of a 20 something nobody over that of a master filmmaker like Scorcese. You don't have to trust her on anything. As someone who has been watching movies as far back as I can remember, I don't need actresses or filmmakers to tell me what my thoughts and opinions should be. SMART!
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Post by Marv on Mar 6, 2023 1:24:31 GMT
You don't have to trust her on anything. As someone who has been watching movies as far back as I can remember, I don't need actresses or filmmakers to tell me what my thoughts and opinions should be. SMART!
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 6, 2023 2:34:34 GMT
We already got MA level stuff with Werewolf by Night, they just were inventive about it.
The point is, for all their "critical acclaim" those movies failed in their core premises. Scorsese wanted people to dislike Travis Bickle and instead he inspired a Presidential Assassination attempt. They're hardly the flawless films they're made out to be.
Which was edited to be in black-and-white, for stylistic purposes largely but also for rating as well. Daredevil: Born Again and Deadpool 3 won't be in black-and-white, time will tell if they present the kind of content their predecessors had. John Hinkley, Jr., of whom you are referring to, was a man in crisis and suffered severe mental health problems long before he even saw the film Taxi Driver. He was on a long list of antidepressants and tranquilizers to help him deal with his severe emotional problems, and he had a concerning obsession with assault weapons and acts of violence. Research has deduced that even if the film Taxi Driver never existed, as well as its source novel of the same exact name, Hinkley, Jr. was on a dark path that could have resulted in something tragic. Neither the author of the source novel, the director of the film, or even its star should have any blame for the actions of Hinkley, Jr. The majority of the people who saw and continue to watch the film today have not taken the wrong message from it. That's what I meant by inventive, as opposed to the lazy way that Daredevil and Deadpool took.
It doesn't change what the movie did do, and how it still failed at its basic premise for various reasons. It's hardly some "flawless piece" that its made out to be. Neither are the Godfather movies which also fail at their basic premise. And Goodfellas.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 6, 2023 3:34:26 GMT
Which was edited to be in black-and-white, for stylistic purposes largely but also for rating as well. Daredevil: Born Again and Deadpool 3 won't be in black-and-white, time will tell if they present the kind of content their predecessors had. John Hinkley, Jr., of whom you are referring to, was a man in crisis and suffered severe mental health problems long before he even saw the film Taxi Driver. He was on a long list of antidepressants and tranquilizers to help him deal with his severe emotional problems, and he had a concerning obsession with assault weapons and acts of violence. Research has deduced that even if the film Taxi Driver never existed, as well as its source novel of the same exact name, Hinkley, Jr. was on a dark path that could have resulted in something tragic. Neither the author of the source novel, the director of the film, or even its star should have any blame for the actions of Hinkley, Jr. The majority of the people who saw and continue to watch the film today have not taken the wrong message from it. That's what I meant by inventive, as opposed to the lazy way that Daredevil and Deadpool took.
It doesn't change what the movie did do, and how it still failed at its basic premise for various reasons. It's hardly some "flawless piece" that its made out to be. Neither are the Godfather movies which also fail at their basic premise. And Goodfellas.
How was the decision to present the graphic violence for Daredevil and Deadpool lazy? Sometimes such content is needed in service of the story and the characters. The movie didn't do anything, neither the author, director, or star can be blamed. Any creative work can have a positive or negative impression on the observer, in most cases the root of the problem is less of the work and more on the individual who sees it. In the case of John Hinkley, Jr. he was already mentally unstable and was losing his sanity well before he first saw Taxi Driver. It was determined by the court and by medical professionals that if he hadn't seen Taxi Driver he could have become obsessed with any other media and become inspired to attempt criminal activities. No motion picture is flawless, a pitch perfect film does not and cannot exist because everyone's viewing experience is different.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 6, 2023 14:41:25 GMT
That's what I meant by inventive, as opposed to the lazy way that Daredevil and Deadpool took.
It doesn't change what the movie did do, and how it still failed at its basic premise for various reasons. It's hardly some "flawless piece" that its made out to be. Neither are the Godfather movies which also fail at their basic premise. And Goodfellas.
How was the decision to present the graphic violence for Daredevil and Deadpool lazy? Sometimes such content is needed in service of the story and the characters. The movie didn't do anything, neither the author, director, or star can be blamed. Any creative work can have a positive or negative impression on the observer, in most cases the root of the problem is less of the work and more on the individual who sees it. In the case of John Hinkley, Jr. he was already mentally unstable and was losing his sanity well before he first saw Taxi Driver. It was determined by the court and by medical professionals that if he hadn't seen Taxi Driver he could have become obsessed with any other media and become inspired to attempt criminal activities. No motion picture is flawless, a pitch perfect film does not and cannot exist because everyone's viewing experience is different. Standard, banal R rated gorefest in Deadpool's case and street brawling in DDs. It's only "needed" to draw in the lowest denominator viewers who care less about characters and plot and more about the gore. Werewolf By Night at least was inventive and creative with it and maintained its homage to old Universal Horror Pictures in the process.
Would the Captain America movies have been better if we saw him graphically disemboweling someone?
But he didn't. He drew specific inspiration from Taxi Driver, a movie that failed at its own basic premise. Scorsese never wanted anyone to see Bickle as an admirable character but the movie failed to make him unlikable. Plenty of people aside from Hinkley saw Bickle as an inspiration.
Which hasn't stopped people from trying to deny any observations on the failings of movies like Taxi Driver, Goodfellas and the Godfather movies. Apparently they have to be seen as flawless and no dissent is allowed.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 7, 2023 5:06:11 GMT
How was the decision to present the graphic violence for Daredevil and Deadpool lazy? Sometimes such content is needed in service of the story and the characters. The movie didn't do anything, neither the author, director, or star can be blamed. Any creative work can have a positive or negative impression on the observer, in most cases the root of the problem is less of the work and more on the individual who sees it. In the case of John Hinkley, Jr. he was already mentally unstable and was losing his sanity well before he first saw Taxi Driver. It was determined by the court and by medical professionals that if he hadn't seen Taxi Driver he could have become obsessed with any other media and become inspired to attempt criminal activities. No motion picture is flawless, a pitch perfect film does not and cannot exist because everyone's viewing experience is different. Standard, banal R rated gorefest in Deadpool's case and street brawling in DDs. It's only "needed" to draw in the lowest denominator viewers who care less about characters and plot and more about the gore. Werewolf By Night at least was inventive and creative with it and maintained its homage to old Universal Horror Pictures in the process.
Would the Captain America movies have been better if we saw him graphically disemboweling someone?
But he didn't. He drew specific inspiration from Taxi Driver, a movie that failed at its own basic premise. Scorsese never wanted anyone to see Bickle as an admirable character but the movie failed to make him unlikable. Plenty of people aside from Hinkley saw Bickle as an inspiration.
Which hasn't stopped people from trying to deny any observations on the failings of movies like Taxi Driver, Goodfellas and the Godfather movies. Apparently they have to be seen as flawless and no dissent is allowed.
For some characters, such content is appropriate, for others, like a Captain America it is not the case. Daredevil is generally a street level vigilante who operates in Hells' Kitchen and some of his stories are pretty dark and very violent. Deadpool being extremely violent and being darkly comedic is a major selling point for the character and what makes him stand out from the rest of the Marvel universe. Both characters can certainly work in more tamer stories, however. As previously stated, any creative work can have a potentially positive or negative impression on the observer, in most cases the root of the problem is less of the work and more on the individual who sees it. Whether or not Martin Scorsese or Paul Schrader failed at what they were setting out do with the Taxi Driver story is open for conversation, but the majority of people who have seen the film and read the novel it originates from did not and do not consider the Travis Bickle character to be admirable in any way. The individual you brought up was very mentally unstable and could not properly function in society. He had already been on the road to insanity long before he even seen the film Taxi Driver. Nine times out of 10 when media is accused of influencing criminal behavior, the criminal is revealed by investigative evidence to have been mentally unstable and was losing their sanity long before they were ever exposed to such entertainment. You will find people who cannot accept criticism of their favorite motion picture anywhere in the world.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 7, 2023 14:05:19 GMT
Standard, banal R rated gorefest in Deadpool's case and street brawling in DDs. It's only "needed" to draw in the lowest denominator viewers who care less about characters and plot and more about the gore. Werewolf By Night at least was inventive and creative with it and maintained its homage to old Universal Horror Pictures in the process.
Would the Captain America movies have been better if we saw him graphically disemboweling someone?
But he didn't. He drew specific inspiration from Taxi Driver, a movie that failed at its own basic premise. Scorsese never wanted anyone to see Bickle as an admirable character but the movie failed to make him unlikable. Plenty of people aside from Hinkley saw Bickle as an inspiration.
Which hasn't stopped people from trying to deny any observations on the failings of movies like Taxi Driver, Goodfellas and the Godfather movies. Apparently they have to be seen as flawless and no dissent is allowed.
For some characters, such content is appropriate, for others, like a Captain America it is not the case. Daredevil is generally a street level vigilante who operates in Hells' Kitchen and some of his stories are pretty dark and very violent. Deadpool being extremely violent and being darkly comedic is a major selling point for the character and what makes him stand out from the rest of the Marvel universe. Both characters can certainly work in more tamer stories, however. As previously stated, any creative work can have a potentially positive or negative impression on the observer, in most cases the root of the problem is less of the work and more on the individual who sees it. Whether or not Martin Scorsese or Paul Schrader failed at what they were setting out do with the Taxi Driver story is open for conversation, but the majority of people who have seen the film and read the novel it originates from did not and do not consider the Travis Bickle character to be admirable in any way. The individual you brought up was very mentally unstable and could not properly function in society. He had already been on the road to insanity long before he even seen the film Taxi Driver. Nine times out of 10 when media is accused of influencing criminal behavior, the criminal is revealed by investigative evidence to have been mentally unstable and was losing their sanity long before they were ever exposed to such entertainment. You will find people who cannot accept criticism of their favorite motion picture anywhere in the world. So then the people saying that the MCU should learn from DD and DP really don't know what they're talking about. Then again I'm sure there's some of them who would've loved seeing Ms Marvel get sexually assaulted on her show. Because it "makes it real" or whatever justification.
And Taxi Driver had that kind of impression, which shows what kind of "perfect movie" it was. And yes, a lot of folks did see Bickle and think he was admirable. "Society needs more people like him" was apparently some of the stuff said.
And does that make those movies immune to criticism or "perfect examples of true cinema", so to speak?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 7, 2023 20:20:50 GMT
For some characters, such content is appropriate, for others, like a Captain America it is not the case. Daredevil is generally a street level vigilante who operates in Hells' Kitchen and some of his stories are pretty dark and very violent. Deadpool being extremely violent and being darkly comedic is a major selling point for the character and what makes him stand out from the rest of the Marvel universe. Both characters can certainly work in more tamer stories, however. As previously stated, any creative work can have a potentially positive or negative impression on the observer, in most cases the root of the problem is less of the work and more on the individual who sees it. Whether or not Martin Scorsese or Paul Schrader failed at what they were setting out do with the Taxi Driver story is open for conversation, but the majority of people who have seen the film and read the novel it originates from did not and do not consider the Travis Bickle character to be admirable in any way. The individual you brought up was very mentally unstable and could not properly function in society. He had already been on the road to insanity long before he even seen the film Taxi Driver. Nine times out of 10 when media is accused of influencing criminal behavior, the criminal is revealed by investigative evidence to have been mentally unstable and was losing their sanity long before they were ever exposed to such entertainment. You will find people who cannot accept criticism of their favorite motion picture anywhere in the world. So then the people saying that the MCU should learn from DD and DP really don't know what they're talking about. Then again I'm sure there's some of them who would've loved seeing Ms Marvel get sexually assaulted on her show. Because it "makes it real" or whatever justification.
And Taxi Driver had that kind of impression, which shows what kind of "perfect movie" it was. And yes, a lot of folks did see Bickle and think he was admirable. "Society needs more people like him" was apparently some of the stuff said.
And does that make those movies immune to criticism or "perfect examples of true cinema", so to speak?
I don't really know those people or have any desire to speculate what they would like to see in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this conversation is between you and me. All I am saying is that for some characters such violence is sometimes necessary or fitting in the storytelling. I am not making the argument that Taxi Driver is a perfect movie, as I have said there no such thing as a flawless motion picture because you are likely to find at least one error in the filmmaking - be it in the story, the acting, technical aspects, continuity, etc. and people have different tastes. With any media, you will find both good and negative comments for it, how well argued their stances are is another topic but besides the point. What people? You've only mentioned one person, and that individual was proven to have been severely mentally unstable and was rapidly losing his sanity long before he even saw Taxi Driver. As I have said, no perfect motion picture exists. We may have our idea of what one is, but it is highly subjective at the end of the day.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 0:19:08 GMT
So then the people saying that the MCU should learn from DD and DP really don't know what they're talking about. Then again I'm sure there's some of them who would've loved seeing Ms Marvel get sexually assaulted on her show. Because it "makes it real" or whatever justification.
And Taxi Driver had that kind of impression, which shows what kind of "perfect movie" it was. And yes, a lot of folks did see Bickle and think he was admirable. "Society needs more people like him" was apparently some of the stuff said.
And does that make those movies immune to criticism or "perfect examples of true cinema", so to speak?
I don't really know those people or have any desire to speculate what they would like to see in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this conversation is between you and me. All I am saying is that for some characters such violence is sometimes necessary or fitting in the storytelling. I am not making the argument that Taxi Driver is a perfect movie, as I have said there no such thing as a flawless motion picture because you are likely to find at least one error in the filmmaking - be it in the story, the acting, technical aspects, continuity, etc. and people have different tastes. With any media, you will find both good and negative comments for it, how well argued their stances are is another topic but besides the point. What people? You've only mentioned one person, and that individual was proven to have been severely mentally unstable and was rapidly losing his sanity long before he even saw Taxi Driver. As I have said, no perfect motion picture exists. We may have our idea of what one is, but it is highly subjective at the end of the day. But not always.
Then it shouldn't be put on some pedestal as some Icon of film.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 8, 2023 4:43:13 GMT
I don't really know those people or have any desire to speculate what they would like to see in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, this conversation is between you and me. All I am saying is that for some characters such violence is sometimes necessary or fitting in the storytelling. I am not making the argument that Taxi Driver is a perfect movie, as I have said there no such thing as a flawless motion picture because you are likely to find at least one error in the filmmaking - be it in the story, the acting, technical aspects, continuity, etc. and people have different tastes. With any media, you will find both good and negative comments for it, how well argued their stances are is another topic but besides the point. What people? You've only mentioned one person, and that individual was proven to have been severely mentally unstable and was rapidly losing his sanity long before he even saw Taxi Driver. As I have said, no perfect motion picture exists. We may have our idea of what one is, but it is highly subjective at the end of the day. But not always.
Then it shouldn't be put on some pedestal as some Icon of film.
I said no such thing, both Daredevil and Deadpool can certainly work in stories which are more tame in content. Why not? Film is, for the most part, subjective. The video you share is a person's opinion and analysis of the film.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 8, 2023 12:50:18 GMT
But not always.
Then it shouldn't be put on some pedestal as some Icon of film.
I said no such thing, both Daredevil and Deadpool can certainly work in stories which are more tame in content. Why not? Film is, for the most part, subjective. The video you share is a person's opinion and analysis of the film. Then there shouldn't be the push there is for the MCU to go all R Rated, but there is.
It still shows how after all these years there are still so many who identify with Travis Bickle and think he's a modern day hero.
Same problem Goodfellas and Godfather had, those movies were supposed to be condemning the Gangster lifestyle but instead popularized it because the movies failed at their own premise. Which means those Filmmakers are hardly masters of their craft.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 8, 2023 20:38:25 GMT
I said no such thing, both Daredevil and Deadpool can certainly work in stories which are more tame in content. Why not? Film is, for the most part, subjective. The video you share is a person's opinion and analysis of the film. Then there shouldn't be the push there is for the MCU to go all R Rated, but there is.
It still shows how after all these years there are still so many who identify with Travis Bickle and think he's a modern day hero.
Same problem Goodfellas and Godfather had, those movies were supposed to be condemning the Gangster lifestyle but instead popularized it because the movies failed at their own premise. Which means those Filmmakers are hardly masters of their craft.
Once again, this is a conversation between you and me, I have little to no interest in talking about what other people want to see in the Marvel Cinematic Universe in terms of 18+ rated content. My talking points are that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has an established consumer friendly image, with the intention of having wide audience appeal, a PG-13 or TV-14 rating is currently the highest they go, and it is understandable and there isn't anything wrong with that. They're "McMovies" (media that can be easily accessed anywhere on theatrical debut and home release) and there is a place for that in cinema and nothing to be ashamed of as an artist, but because they aim to be the cinematic equivalent of a roller coaster ride you are not too likely to see a more slow-paced character study with no action set pieces to speak of that isn't really setting out to make people cheer at the screen like they're at a fireworks display. From a studio like a Marvel Studios, you probably shouldn't have too high of an expectation to see something along the lines of Eraserhead, Tár, Requiem for a Dream, PI, You Won't Be Alone, Bronson, Chungking Express, The American, The Witch, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, or a Days of Heaven - and, once again, that is perfectly fine. There is enough room in cinema for all kinds of work. With that said, there are characters in the Marvel universe that can be easily adjusted to an R or TV-MA rating, such as a Daredevil, a Deadpool, and a Frank Castle - who is now confirmed for Daredevil: Born Again on Disney+. Did you watch the video you shared? The uploader isn't making Travis Bickle out to be someone to idolize and make your life reflective of his, he even makes a warning at the end of his analysis.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 0:19:56 GMT
Then there shouldn't be the push there is for the MCU to go all R Rated, but there is.
It still shows how after all these years there are still so many who identify with Travis Bickle and think he's a modern day hero.
Same problem Goodfellas and Godfather had, those movies were supposed to be condemning the Gangster lifestyle but instead popularized it because the movies failed at their own premise. Which means those Filmmakers are hardly masters of their craft.
Once again, this is a conversation between you and me, I have little to no interest in talking about what other people want to see in the Marvel Cinematic Universe in terms of 18+ rated content. My talking points are that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has an established consumer friendly image, with the intention of having wide audience appeal, a PG-13 or TV-14 rating is currently the highest they go, and it is understandable and there isn't anything wrong with that. They're "McMovies" (media that can be easily accessed anywhere on theatrical debut and home release) and there is a place for that in cinema and nothing to be ashamed of as an artist, but because they aim to be the cinematic equivalent of a roller coaster ride you are not too likely to see a more slow-paced character study with no action set pieces to speak of that isn't really setting out to make people cheer at the screen like they're at a fireworks display. From a studio like a Marvel Studios, you probably shouldn't have too high of an expectation to see something along the lines of Eraserhead, Tár, Requiem for a Dream, PI, You Won't Be Alone, Bronson, Chungking Express, The American, The Witch, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, or a Days of Heaven - and, once again, that is perfectly fine. There is enough room in cinema for all kinds of work. With that said, there are characters in the Marvel universe that can be easily adjusted to an R or TV-MA rating, such as a Daredevil, a Deadpool, and a Frank Castle - who is now confirmed for Daredevil: Born Again on Disney+. Did you watch the video you shared? The uploader isn't making Travis Bickle out to be someone to idolize and make your life reflective of his, he even makes a warning at the end of his analysis. Okay, so nothing wrong with how the MCU works. Glad we agree.
The Uploader only does that after the whole video glorifies him. Too little too late.
At least "Falling Down" had the intelligence to have Penderghast point out D-Fens' flaws.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 9, 2023 5:17:21 GMT
Once again, this is a conversation between you and me, I have little to no interest in talking about what other people want to see in the Marvel Cinematic Universe in terms of 18+ rated content. My talking points are that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has an established consumer friendly image, with the intention of having wide audience appeal, a PG-13 or TV-14 rating is currently the highest they go, and it is understandable and there isn't anything wrong with that. They're "McMovies" (media that can be easily accessed anywhere on theatrical debut and home release) and there is a place for that in cinema and nothing to be ashamed of as an artist, but because they aim to be the cinematic equivalent of a roller coaster ride you are not too likely to see a more slow-paced character study with no action set pieces to speak of that isn't really setting out to make people cheer at the screen like they're at a fireworks display. From a studio like a Marvel Studios, you probably shouldn't have too high of an expectation to see something along the lines of Eraserhead, Tár, Requiem for a Dream, PI, You Won't Be Alone, Bronson, Chungking Express, The American, The Witch, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, or a Days of Heaven - and, once again, that is perfectly fine. There is enough room in cinema for all kinds of work. With that said, there are characters in the Marvel universe that can be easily adjusted to an R or TV-MA rating, such as a Daredevil, a Deadpool, and a Frank Castle - who is now confirmed for Daredevil: Born Again on Disney+. Did you watch the video you shared? The uploader isn't making Travis Bickle out to be someone to idolize and make your life reflective of his, he even makes a warning at the end of his analysis. Okay, so nothing wrong with how the MCU works. Glad we agree.
The Uploader only does that after the whole video glorifies him. Too little too late.
At least "Falling Down" had the intelligence to have Penderghast point out D-Fens' flaws.
The video is an analysis of the Travis Bickle character and what they think makes him to be an engaging character for the viewer, and thus one of screen's most iconic anti-heroes. The Kino Corner is not encouraging people to be like Bickle, they're explaining why a person could probably relate to him up to a point and where he as a human being fails himself when he finds motivation. Based on the video and the way you describe things it doesn't sound like you really didn't watch it and just were going off of the title and thumbnail.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 13:27:40 GMT
Okay, so nothing wrong with how the MCU works. Glad we agree.
The Uploader only does that after the whole video glorifies him. Too little too late.
At least "Falling Down" had the intelligence to have Penderghast point out D-Fens' flaws.
The video is an analysis of the Travis Bickle character and what they think makes him to be an engaging character for the viewer, and thus one of screen's most iconic anti-heroes. The Kino Corner is not encouraging people to be like Bickle, they're explaining why a person could probably relate to him up to a point and where he as a human being fails himself when he finds motivation. Based on the video and the way you describe things it doesn't sound like you really didn't watch it and just were going off of the title and thumbnail. If the guy bothers making a video analyzing him to this extent then it still means Scorsese failed at his basic premise of making Bickle be unlikable. The video explaining why people could relate to him (as we know many people did IRL) just further supports that.
This happened with that Peter Boyle movie "Joe" too, and with the Godfather and Goodfellas. For all this talk of "Real Cinema", these movies fail their own premise rather often.
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Post by Stammerhead on Mar 9, 2023 13:39:56 GMT
Not only have I never heard of her, but I'm also having difficulty trusting the judgement of a 20 something nobody over that of a master filmmaker like Scorcese. Although I find this whole affair rather silly I do wonder how someone with any interest in cinema hasn’t heard of Florence Pugh. She’s not exactly big box office but she has become a well regarded actress. Oh well, I remember when Taxi Driver and Family Plot opened in the same week and a reviewer appreciated the promising newcomer while praising the master filmmaker.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 9, 2023 15:55:54 GMT
Well, after all the garbage that Martin Scorsese and the other pretentious fools have been saying it's nice to get some honest support.
"“When I first signed onto Marvel, lots of people from the indie-film world were all telling me that I was never going to go back to small movies again, and it always kind of wound me up.""
""Because I think there’s beauty in all types of those films. There’s beauty in the massive, epic storylines like 'Dune,' like Marvel, like even 'Oppenheimer' that I did. They’re amazing, mega movies. And then there’s also beauty in all these little ones that not everyone is going to see, but are going to affect the right person at the right time. I’ve never, ever only thought that I was going to just do one type of movie. I’ve always known that I want to dabble in all areas.”"
It's good that she doesn't want to limit herself on projects, but what was is that Scorsese said that was "garbage" and "foolish"? In a statement he said he has no ill will against Marvel movies, the people who make them, and those that enjoy them, he thinks that there are too many major studio releases of such a kind that every time a big release goes to the theaters it is expected to be the equivalent of an amusement park ride instead of something more dramatically complex and artistically more unique. The people driving the “theme park ride” genre and putting guys like Marty out of business are the people buying the movie tickets. It’s on them and them alone, Marvel is simply doing what they always done for decades.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 9, 2023 15:59:24 GMT
Not only have I never heard of her, but I'm also having difficulty trusting the judgement of a 20 something nobody over that of a master filmmaker like Scorcese. Although I find this whole affair rather silly I do wonder how someone with any interest in cinema hasn’t heard of Florence Pugh. She’s not exactly big box office but she has become a well regarded actress. Oh well, I remember when Taxi Driver and Family Plot opened in the same week and a reviewer appreciated the promising newcomer while praising the master filmmaker. Taxi Driver was like no other movie I’d seen up to that point. Then he did the obverse narrative The King of Comedy.
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Post by Stammerhead on Mar 9, 2023 16:18:07 GMT
Although I find this whole affair rather silly I do wonder how someone with any interest in cinema hasn’t heard of Florence Pugh. She’s not exactly big box office but she has become a well regarded actress. Oh well, I remember when Taxi Driver and Family Plot opened in the same week and a reviewer appreciated the promising newcomer while praising the master filmmaker. Taxi Driver was like no other movie I’d seen up to that point. Then he did the obverse narrative The King of Comedy. Although I enjoy Marvel stuff I do lean more toward’s to Marty’s opinion than I do to Flo’s (he is a walking encyclopaedia of cinematic knowledge) but I found it strange that she was described in such a dismissive way. She has good range…
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