Post by MCDemuth on Mar 20, 2023 2:34:59 GMT
TCAS = Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System
I was watching an Episode of Mayday: Air Disasters discussing a Mid-Air collision of two passenger aircraft in India in 1996...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7v22y-1wjA
The Air Traffic Control center was using "outdated" radar technology, and neither Aircraft had TCAS...
One of the Aircraft was not flying at the altitude it was supposed have been flying at, and collided with the other... If newer systems had been available and in use, it is believe the accident would not have occurred...
I couldn't help but think about the P-63/B-17G Mid-Air collision at the Airshow last year... It is believed that the P-63 was "out of position" during the collision. (That's is for another discussion)...
I had briefly wondered if TCAS could have prevented it... Well, most likely not, since they were performing in an airshow, with the tight formations, and close maneuvering, it's unlikely that TCAS was ever designed for that...
But did the planes even have it on board?
Doing a quick Google search, failed to give me the answer...
Not being an expert on such technology, or FAA rules... I was hoping that someone might have some answers...
We all know that modern planes are designed to carry the technology or can easily be upgraded to do so... and the FAA requires them to use it. At least when not performing under "Airshow" conditions...
But what about Aircraft built Circa 1945?
They don't just fly during ONE airshow... They do have to fly around the country to get to ADDITIONAL airshows...
When it comes to the B-17G, I can easily imagine that at least some kind of "RIG" can be designed for the plane which can at least be mounted in the Bomb-Bay, in between airshows and used with some external sensor upgrades and updated cockpit controls... So, Yes?... In My opinion, I think it should have been ABLE to have those systems to help protect other flyers in commercial airspace.
But as for P-63... A smaller plane like that? well, that gets much more difficult for me to imagine. "Upgrading" it might not be possible.
Does anyone know, if Older Aviation Aircraft... are capable of installing "Transponders" and TCAS, and other similar modern safety features... and does the FAA required them to use them under certain situations?
Or... Can they only interact with ATC, by radio and the older radar system technology, as shown during the 1996 incident in the Mayday: Air Disasters episode?
A traffic collision avoidance system (TCAS, pronounced /tiːkæs/; TEE-kas), also known as a traffic alert and collision avoidance system, is an aircraft collision avoidance system designed to reduce the incidence of mid-air collision (MAC) between aircraft. It monitors the airspace around an aircraft for other aircraft equipped with a corresponding active transponder, independent of air traffic control, and warns pilots of the presence of other transponder-equipped aircraft which may present a threat of MAC. It is a type of airborne collision avoidance system mandated by the International Civil Aviation Organization to be fitted to all aircraft with a maximum take-off mass (MTOM) of over 5,700 kg (12,600 lb) or authorized to carry more than 19 passengers. CFR 14, Ch I, part 135 requires that TCAS I be installed for aircraft with 10-30 passengers and TCAS II for aircraft with more than 30 passengers. ACAS/TCAS is based on secondary surveillance radar (SSR) transponder signals, but operates independently of ground-based equipment to provide advice to the pilot on potentially conflicting aircraft.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_system
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_system
I was watching an Episode of Mayday: Air Disasters discussing a Mid-Air collision of two passenger aircraft in India in 1996...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7v22y-1wjA
The Air Traffic Control center was using "outdated" radar technology, and neither Aircraft had TCAS...
One of the Aircraft was not flying at the altitude it was supposed have been flying at, and collided with the other... If newer systems had been available and in use, it is believe the accident would not have occurred...
I couldn't help but think about the P-63/B-17G Mid-Air collision at the Airshow last year... It is believed that the P-63 was "out of position" during the collision. (That's is for another discussion)...
I had briefly wondered if TCAS could have prevented it... Well, most likely not, since they were performing in an airshow, with the tight formations, and close maneuvering, it's unlikely that TCAS was ever designed for that...
But did the planes even have it on board?
Doing a quick Google search, failed to give me the answer...
Not being an expert on such technology, or FAA rules... I was hoping that someone might have some answers...
We all know that modern planes are designed to carry the technology or can easily be upgraded to do so... and the FAA requires them to use it. At least when not performing under "Airshow" conditions...
But what about Aircraft built Circa 1945?
They don't just fly during ONE airshow... They do have to fly around the country to get to ADDITIONAL airshows...
When it comes to the B-17G, I can easily imagine that at least some kind of "RIG" can be designed for the plane which can at least be mounted in the Bomb-Bay, in between airshows and used with some external sensor upgrades and updated cockpit controls... So, Yes?... In My opinion, I think it should have been ABLE to have those systems to help protect other flyers in commercial airspace.
But as for P-63... A smaller plane like that? well, that gets much more difficult for me to imagine. "Upgrading" it might not be possible.
Does anyone know, if Older Aviation Aircraft... are capable of installing "Transponders" and TCAS, and other similar modern safety features... and does the FAA required them to use them under certain situations?
Or... Can they only interact with ATC, by radio and the older radar system technology, as shown during the 1996 incident in the Mayday: Air Disasters episode?