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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Mar 20, 2023 2:47:15 GMT
Who were Cain and Abel's wives?
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Post by drystyx on Mar 20, 2023 3:20:05 GMT
After God made Adam, he made Hoss and Little Joe.
I always figured either they were sisters or God just made new people, if one is to go literal with the story. I know even as 5 year old kids reading the bible, we all asked that question. No one answered, so I just figured it was one of the two options I stated.
Now, I think Adam was a spiritual being before the fall, and the fall is what led us into flesh. Yeah, that's heresy, and a bit Gnostic and dualist, but the flesh is a poor existence, and as cursed an experience of existence to be any creature in this world (Universe). I don't care if you're Jerry Rice or Gail Devers, even the most awesome of flesh is doomed to age and get injuries and just erode away.
Even the laws of Physics are geared to Entropy and an inferior experience of existence. It's like some principality invited your spirit to play a game, promising great fun in the world of flesh, and you think it will be horse racing, only to find out the game is car racing, zzzzzzz.
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 20, 2023 3:22:07 GMT
They were from the race of humans some other god created.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 20, 2023 6:37:35 GMT
African women.
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Post by rizdek on Mar 20, 2023 13:43:35 GMT
Who were Cain and Abel's wives? Their sisters. I mean...fig leaves probably didn't leave a lot to the imagination. And face it...there just wasn't anyone else. |
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Mar 21, 2023 5:17:07 GMT
Who were Cain and Abel's wives? Their sisters. I mean...fig leaves probably didn't leave a lot to the imagination. And face it...there just wasn't anyone else. Does Genesis clearly say that Adam and Eve had daughters? |
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Post by rizdek on Mar 21, 2023 9:19:38 GMT
Their sisters. I mean...fig leaves probably didn't leave a lot to the imagination. And face it...there just wasn't anyone else. Does Genesis clearly say that Adam and Eve had daughters? Yep Somewhere in Genesis it says...
"When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters."
So yeah...the older brothers were maybe hundreds of years older then their younger sisters. But that was when getting your little sister pregnant was ok.
But can you imagine...there's like 4 people in the world and Cain kills one of them (Abel). That would have to be the biggest slaughter of all time (proportion wise)...He killed 1/4 of the earth's population. I can well imagine God face palmed and wagged his head and said to Jesus, 'This isn't going well. You know what this means, don't you?'
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 21, 2023 12:18:09 GMT
In the Book of Jubilees (more on that later), Cain's wife is Awan, a sister of C and A. The Bible doesn't say that Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve's only children. And Abel probably got whacked before he could begat anyone.
The Book of Jubilees was one of those books that made it into the Bible and got kicked out later. There are a bunch of them both OT (Lives of Adam and Eve, Psalms of Solomon, Testament of the 12 Patriarchs) and NT (Gospel of Peter, Apocalypse of Paul). some are bogus, some are as real as the books of the Bible (written at the same time). At some time, a bunch of people got together and decided what made the cut and what didn't. Some are obvious. There is an Infancy Gospel of Jesus that makes him out to be a spoiled brat and nearly like Anthony Fremont from the Twilight Zone ("You're a bad man, a very bad man") so you can see why that got left on the cutting room floor. Jubilees was an accepted book in the days of the Maccabean Revolt and the time of Jesus. A lot of African Christian and Jews keep Jubilees to this day. And, I think, the Quran has some parts of Jubilees
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 21, 2023 12:42:37 GMT
I thought after the floods, we were all descendants of Noah and his family. Either way, it’s a lot inbreeding. |
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Mar 22, 2023 5:54:52 GMT
Does Genesis clearly say that Adam and Eve had daughters? Yep Somewhere in Genesis it says...
"When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters."
So yeah...the older brothers were maybe hundreds of years older then their younger sisters. But that was when getting your little sister pregnant was ok.
But can you imagine...there's like 4 people in the world and Cain kills one of them (Abel). That would have to be the biggest slaughter of all time (proportion wise)...He killed 1/4 of the earth's population. I can well imagine God face palmed and wagged his head and said to Jesus, 'This isn't going well. You know what this means, don't you?'
You mean God facepalmed and wagged his head to the mirror? Where was the Holy Ghost, meanwhile? |
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Mar 22, 2023 5:55:12 GMT
I thought after the floods, we were all descendants of Noah and his family. Either way, it’s a lot inbreeding. That explains a lot, both then and now. |
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Post by rizdek on Mar 22, 2023 10:52:22 GMT
I thought after the floods, we were all descendants of Noah and his family. Either way, it’s a lot inbreeding. Oh, but Ken Hamm as the answer. THAT inbreeding was ok because that was before genetic deterioration (caused by the fall) that made having kids with your sister increase the chance of deformed children. |
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Post by rizdek on Mar 22, 2023 10:53:11 GMT
Yep Somewhere in Genesis it says...
"When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters."
So yeah...the older brothers were maybe hundreds of years older then their younger sisters. But that was when getting your little sister pregnant was ok.
But can you imagine...there's like 4 people in the world and Cain kills one of them (Abel). That would have to be the biggest slaughter of all time (proportion wise)...He killed 1/4 of the earth's population. I can well imagine God face palmed and wagged his head and said to Jesus, 'This isn't going well. You know what this means, don't you?'
You mean God facepalmed and wagged his head to the mirror? Where was the Holy Ghost, meanwhile? Holding the mirror. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 22, 2023 13:35:46 GMT
I thought after the floods, we were all descendants of Noah and his family. Either way, it’s a lot inbreeding. The Garden of Eden was in rural Kentucky, after all  |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 22, 2023 17:32:13 GMT
Either way, it’s a lot inbreeding. Oh, but Ken Hamm as the answer. THAT inbreeding was ok because that was before genetic deterioration (caused by the fall) that made having kids with your sister increase the chance of deformed children. I mean, if you believe Genesis is literal, it's a logical argument. The compounding of inherited genetic flaws is the problem with inbreeding, from a biological standpoint, which no doubt is responsible for the social taboo. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 23, 2023 13:12:42 GMT
Did you know the whole time they were in the Garden of Eden, the Woman didn’t have a name. Adam named her as they were being kicked out.
There are two creation narratives in Genesis. The first one is a hymn or call and response and the second a “divine comedy.” Nor are Adam and Eve mentioned again in the mainstream Hebrew text.
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Post by rizdek on Mar 23, 2023 13:14:48 GMT
Did you know the whole time they were in the Garden of Eden, the Woman didn’t have a name. Adam named her as they were being kicked out. There are two creation narratives in Genesis. The first one is a hymn or call and response and the second a “divine comedy.” Nor are Adam and Eve mentioned again in the mainstream Hebrew text. They all understood it was a story with a moral rather than an actual historical account of anything. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Mar 23, 2023 14:04:16 GMT
Did you know the whole time they were in the Garden of Eden, the Woman didn’t have a name. Adam named her as they were being kicked out. There are two creation narratives in Genesis. The first one is a hymn or call and response and the second a “divine comedy.” Nor are Adam and Eve mentioned again in the mainstream Hebrew text. They all understood it was a story with a moral rather than an actual historical account of anything. The second story is meant to be ironic. In it is a confusing map for Eden’s location… 10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. …as if to say, “you want to know where Eden is, it’s at the confluence of the Rio El Dorado; the East River; the Mississippi, west of the Rocky Mtns; and the Missouri,” in other words, it was meant to be fantastical. |
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Post by rizdek on Mar 23, 2023 16:21:28 GMT
Either way, it’s a lot inbreeding. The Garden of Eden was in rural Kentucky, after all Where family reunions are for picking up dates. I'm talking about literally picking up dates under date trees, you realize. |
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Mar 24, 2023 0:44:32 GMT
The Garden of Eden was in rural Kentucky, after all Where family reunions are for picking up dates. I'm talking about literally picking up dates under date trees, you realize. Sure you are! |
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