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Post by masterofallgoons on May 3, 2023 19:14:16 GMT
Fangoria: John Hillcoat Will Finally Bring BLOOD MERIDIAN To The Big ScreenIt's debatable whether or not this belong on this board, but Blood Meridian, (or, the Evening Redness in the West) by Cormac McCarthy is often cited as one of the great American novels by maybe the greatest living American author, and is also usually discussed as one of the most horrifically violent, depraved, and disturbing works of American fiction.... as well as one of the great novels that's usually considered to be 'unfilmable' for various reasons. McCarthy has been adapted several times to varying degrees of success. Most notably the Coen Brothers adapted his novel No Country for Old Men to great accolades, and John Hillcoat directed the adaptation of The Road not long after. Hillcoat and McCarthy, apparently, liked each other's sensibilities because Hillcoat said that they'd figured out how to crack this book as a movie together and that McCarthy himself had offered to write the screenplay for him. This was a few years back when Scott Rudin was still in control of the rights, which appear to have lapsed and allowed Hillcoat to move forward with this. No word on who will be writing the script, but Cormac McCarthy and his son John will serve as executive producers for production company New Regency, so it appears that they intend to be involved. It's worth noting that many have tried, and failed, to make this film in the past. Tommy Lee Jones, Ridley Scott, Martin Scorsese, Todd Field, and most recently, James Franco all took a crack at it. Ridley Scott said that he couldn't make it without getting an X rating, and no studio would allow it (the script, as far as it was developed in one draft at least, kinda sucked anyway). I'm not entirely sure how to feel about this, as I have my doubts that it can be done faithfully or even satisfactorily. But John Hillcoat's The Proposition is a terrific film and a great primer for this project.. even more so than The Road. It's got the harsh, bleak, melancholic tone that could work for this story, but it is it's own thing. If he can channel some of that energy into this expansive work I could see it working. I'm surprised that they aren't pushing for this to be a 'limited series' in this era though. There's not a whole lot of plot, but it's tough to imagine it being done in a relatively briefer theatrical runtime. But whoever lands the role of the Judge is guaranteed to be in awards conversations. Expect that to be a highly coveted tries... if this ever actually gets made.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 4, 2023 0:33:56 GMT
I wonder if they'll have the scene where they find a bunch of dead babies hanging from trees.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 4, 2023 3:32:18 GMT
I wonder if they'll have the scene where they find a bunch of dead babies hanging from trees. They kinda have to... Maybe not the moment where the Judge (I think) swings two babies by their feet smashing their heads against a rock spilling blood and brain matter everwhere... fucking vile, brutal stuff. But these kinds of things are pretty essential to the nature of the book.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 5, 2023 12:41:36 GMT
I wonder if they'll have the scene where they find a bunch of dead babies hanging from trees. They kinda have to... Maybe not the moment where the Judge (I think) swings two babies by their feet smashing their heads against a rock spilling blood and brain matter everwhere... fucking vile, brutal stuff. But these kinds of things are pretty essential to the nature of the book. That Cormac sure has a weird sense of humor.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 5, 2023 18:23:10 GMT
They kinda have to... Maybe not the moment where the Judge (I think) swings two babies by their feet smashing their heads against a rock spilling blood and brain matter everwhere... fucking vile, brutal stuff. But these kinds of things are pretty essential to the nature of the book. That Cormac sure has a weird sense of humor. He's definitely known as a humorist, that's for sure.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 6, 2023 3:37:16 GMT
That Cormac sure has a weird sense of humor. He's definitely known as a humorist, that's for sure. I heard he wrote The Judge with Danny DeVito in mind. Hopefully he can still play him.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 6, 2023 3:51:32 GMT
He's definitely known as a humorist, that's for sure. I heard he wrote The Judge with Danny DeVito in mind. Hopefully he can still play him. If he was only like 5 feet taller it could work.
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Post by mgmarshall on May 7, 2023 2:33:22 GMT
I heard he wrote The Judge with Danny DeVito in mind. Hopefully he can still play him. If he was only like 5 feet taller it could work. I always thought Christopher Lloyd could've really pulled it off back when he was little more spry.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 7, 2023 3:25:48 GMT
If he was only like 5 feet taller it could work. I always thought Christopher Lloyd could've really pulled it off back when he was little more spry. An odd choice.
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Post by mgmarshall on May 7, 2023 3:38:56 GMT
I always thought Christopher Lloyd could've really pulled it off back when he was little more spry. An odd choice. Well, he's tall, cadaverous, I don't think the bald/albino makeup would be much of a stretch for him. (Hell, he basically looked like that in the Addams Family movies.) Physically the only problem might be that he isn't quite bulky enough. I do realize he's mostly been utilized as a comedic actor, but with the right direction I think he could've easily nailed the frightening, otherworldly vibe of the character.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 7, 2023 11:20:57 GMT
Well, he's tall, cadaverous, I don't think the bald/albino makeup would be much of a stretch for him. (Hell, he basically looked like that in the Addams Family movies.) Physically the only problem might be that he isn't quite bulky enough. I do realize he's mostly been utilized as a comedic actor, but with the right direction I think he could've easily nailed the frightening, otherworldly vibe of the character. I don't really see it. I don't get the imposing presence from him, and he would have had to gain about 100 pounds. Roger Ebert suggested Tom Noonan, who's tall enough and got the odd, ethereal, threatening intelligence but who also would have always had to gain about 100 pounds. Everyone first thought, I think, was always Brando in Apocalypse Now. Currently, I like John Carroll Lynch. But maybe there's someone with a more commanding voice that I'm not thinking of.
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Post by mgmarshall on May 7, 2023 17:55:57 GMT
Well, he's tall, cadaverous, I don't think the bald/albino makeup would be much of a stretch for him. (Hell, he basically looked like that in the Addams Family movies.) Physically the only problem might be that he isn't quite bulky enough. I do realize he's mostly been utilized as a comedic actor, but with the right direction I think he could've easily nailed the frightening, otherworldly vibe of the character. I don't really see it. I don't get the imposing presence from him, and he would have had to gain about 100 pounds. Roger Ebert suggested Tom Noonan, who's tall enough and got the odd, ethereal, threatening intelligence but who also would have always had to gain about 100 pounds. Everyone first thought, I think, was always Brando in Apocalypse Now. Currently, I like John Carroll Lynch. But maybe there's someone with a more commanding voice that I'm not thinking of. Oooh, Noonan would've been a great choice! Although, he's still a lot thinner than the character is described. I remember seeing a lot of fan castings some years back where the most popular choice was Vincent D'Onofrio, who certainly has the build for it, anyway.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 8, 2023 0:01:22 GMT
[quote source="/post/5964025/thread" timestamp="1683430736" Everyone first thought, I think, was always Brando in Apocalypse Now. Probably because of Dune, where his character is obviously modeled after Brando, my mind keeps going to Stellen Skarsgard.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 8, 2023 19:16:29 GMT
I don't really see it. I don't get the imposing presence from him, and he would have had to gain about 100 pounds. Roger Ebert suggested Tom Noonan, who's tall enough and got the odd, ethereal, threatening intelligence but who also would have always had to gain about 100 pounds. Everyone first thought, I think, was always Brando in Apocalypse Now. Currently, I like John Carroll Lynch. But maybe there's someone with a more commanding voice that I'm not thinking of. Oooh, Noonan would've been a great choice! Although, he's still a lot thinner than the character is described. I remember seeing a lot of fan castings some years back where the most popular choice was Vincent D'Onofrio, who certainly has the build for it, anyway. When James Franco very briefly had the rights (apparently only for about 24 hours) he had two actors attached: Russell Crowe as Glanton and Vincent D'Onofrio as Judge Holden. I think he had just come off of the first season of Daredevil, where he played a character that clearly shares physical characteristics with the Judge... but I imagine he'd have played it differently. It seems a little unimaginative and a little obvious to only think of big, broad, and pale actors who we've seen with a bald head, but it's obvious for a reason. He clearly would, at least, have done an admirable and faithful job.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 9, 2023 13:25:55 GMT
Oooh, Noonan would've been a great choice! Although, he's still a lot thinner than the character is described. I remember seeing a lot of fan castings some years back where the most popular choice was Vincent D'Onofrio, who certainly has the build for it, anyway. When James Franco very briefly had the rights (apparently only for about 24 hours) he had two actors attached: Russell Crowe as Glanton and Vincent D'Onofrio as Judge Holden. I think he had just come off of the first season of Daredevil, where he played a character that clearly shares physical characteristics with the Judge... but I imagine he'd have played it differently. It seems a little unimaginative and a little obvious to only think of big, broad, and pale actors who we've seen with a bald head, but it's obvious for a reason. He clearly would, at least, have done an admirable and faithful job. The way these things go, they'll probably cast someone completely left field we didn't think about.
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Post by masterofallgoons on May 9, 2023 21:40:48 GMT
When James Franco very briefly had the rights (apparently only for about 24 hours) he had two actors attached: Russell Crowe as Glanton and Vincent D'Onofrio as Judge Holden. I think he had just come off of the first season of Daredevil, where he played a character that clearly shares physical characteristics with the Judge... but I imagine he'd have played it differently. It seems a little unimaginative and a little obvious to only think of big, broad, and pale actors who we've seen with a bald head, but it's obvious for a reason. He clearly would, at least, have done an admirable and faithful job. The way these things go, they'll probably cast someone completely left field we didn't think about. Yeah probably. You could just shave a good actor and it could work. Another guy I've thought of was Glenn Fleshler who is not as well known, but makes a lot of sense. Or some unknown or some theater actor who hasnt been in a lot of movies or something could be good way to go. The thing is, this character is so good and so powerful that they'll be able to get a great performance from whoever it is. But I still like John Caroll Lynch.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 13, 2023 19:51:34 GMT
RiP Cormac McCarthy. He died today at 89 years of age.
Sad that he won't see this film.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 13, 2023 21:25:03 GMT
RiP Cormac McCarthy. He died today at 89 years of age. Sad that he won't see this film. Blood Meridian is his only book I've read. I should try some others. You seem like a fan, Goons, any recs?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 14, 2023 13:38:59 GMT
RiP Cormac McCarthy. He died today at 89 years of age. Sad that he won't see this film. Blood Meridian is his only book I've read. I should try some others. You seem like a fan, Goons, any recs? It depends on what you're looking for. His most famous book is probably The Road because Oprah liked it, and it also won him the Pulitzer prize. And it may have had something to do with it coming out right around the time the No Country for Old Men adaptation was coming out. That was one of his least celebrated novels, but obviously the movie was a huge deal and put him in the spotlight. I imagine you're familiar with No Country for Old Men, which is a good book but a spectacular adaptation, but The Road is a post apocalyptic story. It veers on horror and sci-fi a bit, but it's a very spare and simple story just about a father trying to help his son survive in the worst imaginable circumstance. There was also a movie adaptation that it perfectly decent and a fair representation of the novel, but it's not nearly as powerful an experience to watch as it is to read. But since this is the horror board I could suggest Child of God which is probably the closest thing to a horror novel as it deals with sort of a monster of a protagonist who is a loner living in the woods of Appalachia who descends into necrophelia and murder. Pretty alarming stuff, but also an easy read. It's his shortest novel by a long way. You could probably knock it out in an afternoon. That one also has a movie adaptation, directed by James Franco oddly enough, that is OK. It's not inept and it's not impressive. It's just kind of fine, which is not good enough considering the subject matter... but it's generally competent and mostly faithful. I don't think he ever wrote anything else as grandiose and epic in scale as Blood Meridian, but All the Pretty Horses is an epic of sorts. It's notable for being his first attempt at romanticism and somewhat less bleakness and darkness. It's absolutely gorgeous. It's the first in a series dubbed The Border Trilogy which includes the subsequent books The Crossing and Cities of the Plain. I think the first is the finest of the three, but his prose is beautiful throughout. All the Pretty Horses was his first novel after Blood Meridian and it won him a National Book Award. It was his first hit that actually sold and made him some money, and again, there was a movie adaptation. It's sort of famous for being destroyed and cut to pieces by Harvey Weinstein. Billy Bob Thornton directed it as his follow up to Sling Blade and it starred Matt Damon when he was still a rising star. It's actually not bad as is, but they both say that the uncut version is the best work they've ever done. Suttree is also kind of an epic, in a way. It's probably his funniest novel, but it's also pretty grim in a sort of existential way, but it's quite entertaining. Its semi autobiographical, evidently, ans it's also his longest book. It's about a young man who leaves his life of relative privilege to go off and live on the Tennessee River. I've never read it, but his play The Sunset Limited was adapted by director and star Tommy Lee Jones as a movie for HBO in 2011. I think it's quite good for play-on-film kinda thing. It's just Tommy Lee Jones and Samuel L Jackson sitting down and talking about their conflicting philosophies for about 90 mins. And yet it's rather entertaining and enlightening. On the contrary, I don't really recommend The Counselor which Ridley Scott directed from an original screenplay by McCarthy. It's his weakest work that I've read... and seen. I've droned on long enough, but obviously I've been reflecting on the guy's work. In short, you can't really go wrong with The Road or All the Pretty Horses, and if you wanna dig into some more stuff those titles I mentioned are mostly pretty accessible. Some of the earlier novels are bit tougher, but nothing I've read if his felt like a waste of time.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 14, 2023 13:59:57 GMT
I'll also add that have not yet read the dual novels The Passenger and Stella Maris that he published earlier this year.
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