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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Jun 6, 2023 17:41:03 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 6, 2023 21:02:41 GMT
I'm glad he realizes it because while Taika obviously has the heaviest influence on the tone of the film, a good chunk of the humor was actually pushed for by Hemsworth. You could see in the behind the scenes clips that a number of jokes were his idea, and IIRC he was actually the one who suggested that full split scene in the opening battle as well as all those cheesy kung-fu sounds he was making.
He was also the one who insisted on Thor being fat and PTSD'ed till the end of Endgame, whereas the Russos' had originally planned for Thor to get back to his fit, fighting self before the last battle.
Big fan of Hemsworth and he actually has some pretty good comedic timing, but he should definitely exert more of his influence into keeping Thor less silly.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 6, 2023 22:16:54 GMT
Its silliness would've been fine had it not been an A-lister Avenger's continuation into our MCU ventures. Zeus as a fucking cartoon character was its worst trait for me. What are we even doing now, if all those ppl are congregated for a Burger King mascot.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 6, 2023 22:39:30 GMT
Glad that he agrees. Honestly it hurt the film a lot for me and I have a hard time rewatching it.
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Post by scabab on Jun 10, 2023 18:45:13 GMT
They did go overboard. Infinity War I think did the character best.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 11, 2023 2:43:33 GMT
They did go overboard. Infinity War I think did the character best. I think he's great in all 4 Avengers films. I wonder, will these new phase movies seem more enjoyable once characters aren't saddled with headlining themselves. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 11, 2023 3:25:17 GMT
They did go overboard. Infinity War I think did the character best. I think he's great in all 4 Avengers films. I wonder, will these new phase movies seem more enjoyable once characters aren't saddled with headlining themselves. Then you'll run the risk of ensemble movies only highlighting 2-3 characters while the rest are relegated to extras, similar to how the X-Men and Power Ranger movies are set-up. |
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Post by Sam Raimi on Jun 11, 2023 7:25:29 GMT
Hopefully he can be one of the core leads in one of the next Avengers movies. Wouldn’t mind some cosmic team up movies with him as the lead as well. His solo franchise is almost certainly done but I hope they commit to redeeming him in other movies.
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Post by Cat on Jun 12, 2023 18:20:13 GMT
I agree with him and it's good that he acknowledges this, but I'm no closer to agreeing with Scorsese or QT either. The Scorsese criticisms are such a mess because they lay bare good points about greed and soulless cinema, but greed comes from, in my opinion, the totality of movie theaters pushing audiences into the arms of streaming services.
Streaming services in a way are karma for multiplex-theater greed, but the Marvel movies still get people to show up even at a reduced rate with their catalogue in Disney +. The elephant in the room, also in my opinion, is the collective reluctance to be out more than necessary since the pandemic. The suffering's been felt all around and it's not just movies. Transit ridership is down. Commercial rent is going up to make up for lost revenue because people are working from home and ordering Uber Eats, and lord knows streaming services and Youtube + other apps on Smart TV's are replacing Cable.
It's normal to look for people/institutions to blame. I'm no better. I generally blame the greed of major studios and the mediocrity of their output. Their non-superhero output; the studio obligation films that almost nobody sees. It's been like this since the 2000's. It's probably been like this since the invention of movie studios, but billion dollar revenues have upped the ante so hard that major studios are taking less and less chances, and when the MCU started, they were taking chances.
A comment about QT's criticism of actors not being the stars of the film but rather the characters. Anybody know the names of the actors in 2001: A Space Odyssey? Does anyone have the feeling Full Metal Jacket made Matthew Modine a star? My point is the MCU doesn't make actors famous, it makes its characters famous is just one criteria. I bring up Stanley Kubrick as an example of a person who, in my opinion, is always the star of his films. His direction, his creative ideology, his thought process.
Half of QT's films are beat for beat homages done really well. Nothing beats a good QT movie, but when you decide the criteria, you can rail against any form of art for not meeting it. I've heard QT referred to as a copy and paste auteur. I've heard less correct jabs. Scorsese, one of my very favourite directors and people, adapted half of his works from books. If someone wanted to hold it against him that Goodfellas is based on a book, that's their right, but it doesn't say a lot about the movie.
As someone who's been drifting away from superhero movies since Endgame and especially for theater viewings, I find Scorsese's and QT's criticisms are still not criticisms I can get behind or respect. Cue the obligatory they have the right to their opinion, but don't we all?
Personally I think Thor shouldn't have returned after Endgame, but it ain't superhero films or Marvel movies tanking theaters. It's the combined effort of streaming services, greedy studios, and post-pandemic life-habits that don't look like they're going back.
End rant.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jun 12, 2023 19:04:03 GMT
He was well-cast and it helped that he took the part seriously.
But they were making jokes at his expense all the time.
The Avengers did it--"Point Break" "he's adopted" shtick.
Stupid humor that undermines any suspension of disbelief.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 13, 2023 12:00:21 GMT
but it ain't superhero films or Marvel movies tanking theaters. It's the combined effort of streaming services, greedy studios, and post-pandemic life-habits that don't look like they're going back.
The sooner everyone figures this out, the better. The death of cinema has more to do with streamers than superhero movies. Now even the tentpole flicks are facing diminishing returns. Fast X, Little Mermaid, you name it and it isn't doing as well as one would've expected even five years ago. Why pay theater ticket prices (and concessions, and gas to get there) when you already have a subscription to whatever streamer, and your entire family can watch it a hundred times in a row at home in about a month? I love the theater experience; they're never going to get rid of me. But fewer and fewer people are willing to go, and it's going to keep trending in that direction as the streaming model destroys cinema as we know it. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 13, 2023 19:23:40 GMT
but it ain't superhero films or Marvel movies tanking theaters. It's the combined effort of streaming services, greedy studios, and post-pandemic life-habits that don't look like they're going back.
The sooner everyone figures this out, the better. The death of cinema has more to do with streamers than superhero movies. Now even the tentpole flicks are facing diminishing returns. Fast X, Little Mermaid, you name it and it isn't doing as well as one would've expected even five years ago. Why pay theater ticket prices (and concessions, and gas to get there) when you already have a subscription to whatever streamer, and your entire family can watch it a hundred times in a row at home in about a month? I love the theater experience; they're never going to get rid of me. But fewer and fewer people are willing to go, and it's going to keep trending in that direction as the streaming model destroys cinema as we know it. Then there's the rising ticket prices. I guess in an effort to make money back after the pandemic, theaters started really increasing ticket prices but I think that's backfiring and just convincing more people to not watch in the theaters. I watched the latest Transformers movie last weekend with my kid and tickets cost more than twice what I remember paying for the original Transformers movie back in 2007. A number of years ago me and my wife would go to the theaters pretty much every week to watch a movie. If we tried that today we'd be throwing our budget completely off. It's not just the ticket prices either but the inflation of concession food as well as transportation/gas to get to the movie house. Before, watching a movie was cheap enough that you could do it on a whim whenever you're bored. Now you actually have to budget for it. Or at least I do. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 13, 2023 19:25:38 GMT
but it ain't superhero films or Marvel movies tanking theaters. It's the combined effort of streaming services, greedy studios, and post-pandemic life-habits that don't look like they're going back.
The sooner everyone figures this out, the better. The death of cinema has more to do with streamers than superhero movies. Now even the tentpole flicks are facing diminishing returns. Fast X, Little Mermaid, you name it and it isn't doing as well as one would've expected even five years ago. Why pay theater ticket prices (and concessions, and gas to get there) when you already have a subscription to whatever streamer, and your entire family can watch it a hundred times in a row at home in about a month? I love the theater experience; they're never going to get rid of me. But fewer and fewer people are willing to go, and it's going to keep trending in that direction as the streaming model destroys cinema as we know it. The movie theater (part of the Marcus Theatres chain) in my hometown shut down a few weeks ago (and right before the summer movie season was to really kick off) due to lack of customer interest. Business really started to slow down when 2020 came rolling around and COVID-19 crippled most businesses across the globe. They had some success when things started re-opening the following year, but things couldn't return to what it used to be profit wise. I agree with you absolutely on the streaming model ruining the theater going experience. In the past, a new movie would see physical release a few months after theatrical debut and arrive on streaming a while later, but now the timespan between theatrical release, physical release, and streaming debut is much shorter and because of this not as many people feel they need to see something new at the theater when they can watch from home (Fast X was released not long ago in theatres, you can now rent it from home - ridiculous). I don't understand the logic of these major media conglomerates - they spend millions on a product and hope that it makes over a billion dollars worldwide but screw themselves out of the opportunity to do so when they put it out to a streaming platform a few weeks later. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jun 16, 2023 20:18:52 GMT
I didnt think it was bad but still hes right.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jun 20, 2023 0:15:52 GMT
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