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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 2, 2023 3:09:10 GMT
So double standards it is. Nope. You can tolerate SHIELD having Mutant Agents, but not Skrulls. Double Standards.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Jul 2, 2023 5:32:36 GMT
You can tolerate SHIELD having Mutant Agents, but not Skrulls. Double Standards. Wrong.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 2, 2023 7:18:22 GMT
Yet another topic that formersamhmd has hijacked with their nonsense.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 2, 2023 7:31:31 GMT
They absolutely should have released all 6 episodes at once. I get why they didn't but I feel like this series is more suitable as a binge watch rather than a weekly release.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 2, 2023 13:09:35 GMT
Your argument makes zero sense and doesn't refute anything I said. How does this explain why none of the Skrulls in the network uncovered the Hydra conspiracy? You can't even follow the plot, what would you know about plot holes? You thought Nick Fury discovered Hydra before the events of TWS. And yes, I'm allowed to speculate that it won't be explained, even if any criticism of Marvel whatsoever bothers you. By all means, keep arguing that 2+2=5. Because we don't know how many were actually on Earth during the 30 years and how deep in they were or if they were some secret other reserve he used outside SHIELD work, and he did suspect there was something else going on before TWS otherwise he wouldn't have sent Rogers and Widow on that mission to start with.
You're allowed to, but it's a baseless speculation when you're complaining about a completed story you've only seen 33% of so far.
I don't recall people complaining about Daredevil's storyline like this, when it's first season aired, despite it being flawed.
This illustrates how clueless you are. He wouldn't send his best operatives on a critical mission? OK. I recall people complaining about Daredevil. I recall people talking about television shows while the shows were airing because that's what normal people do. You just create fantasy worlds to live in where Marvel is always the victims of unfair criticism.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2023 18:11:03 GMT
Daredevil's first season might have had its flaws but it's still considered one of the best Marvel tv shows around. Complaining why a good show is getting more praise than a subpar show is completely asinine. Of course Daredevil gets less complaints. It was a better show. If folks were as determined to hate Daredevil from day one like they were with Secret Invasion, it's flaws (and it has them) would be brought up much more often. But due to double standards, that doesn't happen.
Secret Invasion is so far better than DD S1.
You only say this because you're deadset on defending everything from MCU phase 4 and 5, regardless of their actual quality. I mean, are there any of these D+ MCU shows that you actually think were worse than Daredevil?
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Post by Cat on Jul 2, 2023 18:46:24 GMT
If folks were as determined to hate Daredevil from day one like they were with Secret Invasion, it's flaws (and it has them) would be brought up much more often. But due to double standards, that doesn't happen.
Secret Invasion is so far better than DD S1.
You only say this because you're deadset on defending everything from MCU phase 4 and 5, regardless of their actual quality. I mean, are there any of these D+ MCU shows that you actually think were worse than Daredevil? Stepping into say if by worse you mean better then no. I don't think any of the Disney + MCU shows (that I've seen) are better than Daredevil, and that includes season 2 where imo the more interesting Punisher story had to compete with Elektra for airtime.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2023 20:54:10 GMT
You only say this because you're deadset on defending everything from MCU phase 4 and 5, regardless of their actual quality. I mean, are there any of these D+ MCU shows that you actually think were worse than Daredevil? Stepping into say if by worse you mean better then no. I don't think any of the Disney + MCU shows (that I've seen) are better than Daredevil, and that includes season 2 where imo the more interesting Punisher story had to compete with Elektra for airtime. Well Formersam defends these D+ shows to high heaven, so I'm curious if he actually thinks any of them are worse than Daredevil.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 2, 2023 22:56:59 GMT
Because we don't know how many were actually on Earth during the 30 years and how deep in they were or if they were some secret other reserve he used outside SHIELD work, and he did suspect there was something else going on before TWS otherwise he wouldn't have sent Rogers and Widow on that mission to start with.
You're allowed to, but it's a baseless speculation when you're complaining about a completed story you've only seen 33% of so far.
I don't recall people complaining about Daredevil's storyline like this, when it's first season aired, despite it being flawed.
This illustrates how clueless you are. He wouldn't send his best operatives on a critical mission? OK. I recall people complaining about Daredevil. I recall people talking about television shows while the shows were airing because that's what normal people do. You just create fantasy worlds to live in where Marvel is always the victims of unfair criticism. I'm saying he suspected something was going on, otherwise he wouldn't have sent Rogers and Widow. So he didn't just randomly discover a plot during the course of the movie, he already knew before the movie started something else was going on.
No one complained about DD like they do with this show, despite DD having its flaws.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 2, 2023 22:57:48 GMT
If folks were as determined to hate Daredevil from day one like they were with Secret Invasion, it's flaws (and it has them) would be brought up much more often. But due to double standards, that doesn't happen.
Secret Invasion is so far better than DD S1.
You only say this because you're deadset on defending everything from MCU phase 4 and 5, regardless of their actual quality. I mean, are there any of these D+ MCU shows that you actually think were worse than Daredevil? Well, I thought they were all enjoyable but they go into very different genres than DD so I can't really say what's worse or better.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 3, 2023 0:55:04 GMT
You only say this because you're deadset on defending everything from MCU phase 4 and 5, regardless of their actual quality. I mean, are there any of these D+ MCU shows that you actually think were worse than Daredevil? Well, I thought they were all enjoyable but they go into very different genres than DD so I can't really say what's worse or better. Cop out answer. I'm not asking what you found more enjoyable, I'm asking which you thought was worse. Most people are objective enough to determine whether one show is better than another. At least in their opinion.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Jul 3, 2023 1:27:31 GMT
I’m surprised there isn’t a national boycott of these streeaming platforms to support the writers and help end the strike sooner.
#CancelD+Sub
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 3, 2023 2:48:40 GMT
This illustrates how clueless you are. He wouldn't send his best operatives on a critical mission? OK. I recall people complaining about Daredevil. I recall people talking about television shows while the shows were airing because that's what normal people do. You just create fantasy worlds to live in where Marvel is always the victims of unfair criticism. I'm saying he suspected something was going on, otherwise he wouldn't have sent Rogers and Widow. So he didn't just randomly discover a plot during the course of the movie, he already knew before the movie started something else was going on.
No one complained about DD like they do with this show, despite DD having its flaws.
Just admit you were wrong. He didn't send them because he suspected Hydra for Christ's sake, Steve didn't even know what Natasha was up to. Fury sent them because they're the best operatives he has. Saying 'he suspected something' is as vague as it gets. He's the director of an intelligence agency, his job is to suspect something at all times. You said he knew about Hydra before TWS, and you were dead wrong. People complained about DD, people complain about everything. You better accept that, or your life is going to get more miserable by the day as you defend all MCU properties to the death on message boards.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 3, 2023 16:34:03 GMT
Well, I thought they were all enjoyable but they go into very different genres than DD so I can't really say what's worse or better. Cop out answer. I'm not asking what you found more enjoyable, I'm asking which you thought was worse. Most people are objective enough to determine whether one show is better than another. At least in their opinion. Well, I didn't really think Loki was better than Falcon/Winter Soldier and WandaVision.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 3, 2023 16:35:24 GMT
I'm saying he suspected something was going on, otherwise he wouldn't have sent Rogers and Widow. So he didn't just randomly discover a plot during the course of the movie, he already knew before the movie started something else was going on.
No one complained about DD like they do with this show, despite DD having its flaws.
Just admit you were wrong. He didn't send them because he suspected Hydra for Christ's sake, Steve didn't even know what Natasha was up to. Fury sent them because they're the best operatives he has. Saying 'he suspected something' is as vague as it gets. He's the director of an intelligence agency, his job is to suspect something at all times. You said he knew about Hydra before TWS, and you were dead wrong. People complained about DD, people complain about everything. You better accept that, or your life is going to get more miserable by the day as you defend all MCU properties to the death on message boards. He sent them because he trusted them above anyone else, and Natasha specifically to get that program on there because he had suspicions. Maybe not Hydra specifically, but some kind of hidden thing inside SHIELD.
They did not complain about DD this way, they didn't say "I didn't like episode 1 so that means the entire series sucks".
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Post by Cat on Jul 3, 2023 17:08:03 GMT
It seems okay so far.
I liked the intro. The of blurring faces and its unsettling effect comes from a smart place, although I heard the criticism of Disney using AI when people would do better. It's too cheap for them. I liked the intro but I don't buy that AI came up with it because no people could. Poor excuse.
Otherwise it's sorta fine. Better than I expected, although the reveal at the end of episode 2 is silly to me. Fury's been married all this time, and to a Skrull?
I like the beleaguered terrorist angle. Gravic is cool. Never seen him before but he seems well-cast. Emilia Clarke is so far so good. Olivia Coleman too.
I missed really what was happening in the opening minutes of the series. So was Ross a Skrull all along? Not sure what the point of that was, unless it's to drive home how anybody can be one, or to hint at how deep the infiltration already is.
Fury's looking worse for the wear, but I like his world-weary gunslinger angle, and the hinting of trauma at remembering his snap-death so vividly.
Poor Maria Hill.
I guess the Chekhov's gun is why Gravic wants Fury to suffer, and of course what happened to G'iah's mother.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 3, 2023 20:39:40 GMT
I’m surprised there isn’t a national boycott of these streeaming platforms to support the writers and help end the strike sooner. #CancelD+Sub Disney+ is hurting the MCU as well.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 3, 2023 23:17:06 GMT
Just admit you were wrong. He didn't send them because he suspected Hydra for Christ's sake, Steve didn't even know what Natasha was up to. Fury sent them because they're the best operatives he has. Saying 'he suspected something' is as vague as it gets. He's the director of an intelligence agency, his job is to suspect something at all times. You said he knew about Hydra before TWS, and you were dead wrong. People complained about DD, people complain about everything. You better accept that, or your life is going to get more miserable by the day as you defend all MCU properties to the death on message boards. He sent them because he trusted them above anyone else, and Natasha specifically to get that program on there because he had suspicions. Maybe not Hydra specifically, but some kind of hidden thing inside SHIELD.
They did not complain about DD this way, they didn't say "I didn't like episode 1 so that means the entire series sucks".
I didn't say that about this show either, you stupid shit.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 3, 2023 23:23:14 GMT
I’m surprised there isn’t a national boycott of these streeaming platforms to support the writers and help end the strike sooner. #CancelD+Sub Disney+ is hurting the MCU as well. Agreed. MCU fatigue is real at this point, the shows were just too much content for everyone to keep up with. I think casual audiences may have tuned out completely because they didn't think they could keep up.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Jul 4, 2023 0:24:48 GMT
Disney+ is hurting the MCU as well. Agreed. MCU fatigue is real at this point, the shows were just too much content for everyone to keep up with. I think casual audiences may have tuned out completely because they didn't think they could keep up. Absolutely. D+ also pushed the MCU to the point where the “assembly line” criticisms really rang true. I was always somewhat critical of the less talented directors for hire on the film side but my god do most of these shows feel completely devoid of creative talent. I’d watch Ant Man and Captain Marvel over Moon Knight and She Hulk any day.
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