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Post by Skaathar on Jul 4, 2023 3:29:47 GMT
Cop out answer. I'm not asking what you found more enjoyable, I'm asking which you thought was worse. Most people are objective enough to determine whether one show is better than another. At least in their opinion. Well, I didn't really think Loki was better than Falcon/Winter Soldier and WandaVision. What has that got to do with the question I asked? I asked if you think Daredevil is better than any of these D+ shows.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 4, 2023 12:46:11 GMT
Well, I didn't really think Loki was better than Falcon/Winter Soldier and WandaVision. What has that got to do with the question I asked? I asked if you think Daredevil is better than any of these D+ shows. I don't think so, no. But I'm not into creatively bankrupt "grounded" shows, after putting up with Nolanites for years.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 4, 2023 13:58:18 GMT
What has that got to do with the question I asked? I asked if you think Daredevil is better than any of these D+ shows. I don't think so, no. But I'm not into creatively bankrupt "grounded" shows, after putting up with Nolanites for years. See, that wasn't so hard was it? You consider each and every one of these MCU D+ shows better than Daredevil. At least now we know where you stand.
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Post by Cat on Jul 4, 2023 18:36:04 GMT
Disney+ is hurting the MCU as well. Agreed. MCU fatigue is real at this point, the shows were just too much content for everyone to keep up with. I think casual audiences may have tuned out completely because they didn't think they could keep up. Keeping up is hard when access is limited. I like theaters for their equal (within reason) access structure. When Wanda Vision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier came out, I didn't have Disney +. I watched it only when visiting friends who had it. That's more of a me problem than an anybody else problem but it didn't feel great. The writing was on the wall; if you don't have Disney + don't bother trying to stay up to date.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 4, 2023 19:48:30 GMT
Agreed. MCU fatigue is real at this point, the shows were just too much content for everyone to keep up with. I think casual audiences may have tuned out completely because they didn't think they could keep up. Absolutely. D+ also pushed the MCU to the point where the “assembly line” criticisms really rang true. I was always somewhat critical of the less talented directors for hire on the film side but my god do most of these shows feel completely devoid of creative talent. I’d watch Ant Man and Captain Marvel over Moon Knight and She Hulk any day. Yeah it's bad. It's made abundantly clear that they're pushing out way to much content that even Feige himself can't oversee everything like he used to. Somethings gotta change soon. I know that Marvel is Disney's hot Ip at the moment but if things keep going the way they were eventually it's going to loose steam and people will end up abandoning it.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 5, 2023 1:12:22 GMT
Absolutely. D+ also pushed the MCU to the point where the “assembly line” criticisms really rang true. I was always somewhat critical of the less talented directors for hire on the film side but my god do most of these shows feel completely devoid of creative talent. I’d watch Ant Man and Captain Marvel over Moon Knight and She Hulk any day. Yeah it's bad. It's made abundantly clear that they're pushing out way to much content that even Feige himself can't oversee everything like he used to. Somethings gotta change soon. I know that Marvel is Disney's hot Ip at the moment but if things keep going the way they were eventually it's going to loose steam and people will end up abandoning it. Right now the MCU is running on pure momentum and goodwill. Had those D+ shows been the first entries of the MCU into their franchise then it would never have gotten off the ground.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 5, 2023 2:33:27 GMT
Yeah it's bad. It's made abundantly clear that they're pushing out way to much content that even Feige himself can't oversee everything like he used to. Somethings gotta change soon. I know that Marvel is Disney's hot Ip at the moment but if things keep going the way they were eventually it's going to loose steam and people will end up abandoning it. Right now the MCU is running on pure momentum and goodwill. Had those D+ shows been the first entries of the MCU into their franchise then it would never have gotten off the ground. Nah, they'd been ever better regarded than they are now. No one whining "It should have all ended with Endgame" nutjobs.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 5, 2023 11:14:27 GMT
I'd be surprise if that death is legit. Also Was that Rhodey's voice at the end? Because it was speculated that Rhodey may be a Skrull and if that was his voice it may actually be the case. This actually wasn't a bad episode. Gravik is shaping up to be a decent villain. We're half way through this series now, so we will have to see how it wraps up but I'm still thinking that the invasion story will more than likely be another wasted potential like we've gotten out of the MCU before.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 7, 2023 13:16:49 GMT
I'd be surprise if that death is legit. Also Was that Rhodey's voice at the end? Because it was speculated that Rhodey may be a Skrull and if that was his voice it may actually be the case. This actually wasn't a bad episode. Gravik is shaping up to be a decent villain. We're half way through this series now, so we will have to see how it wraps up but I'm still thinking that the invasion story will more than likely be another wasted potential like we've gotten out of the MCU before. I'm a little more hopeful than you are. I think this episode set up some interesting stuff, not only in the remaining three episodes, but throughout the MCU.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 7, 2023 18:42:29 GMT
IMO meh so far. 3 ep's in.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 7, 2023 18:50:06 GMT
Still not liking the retcons, but episode three is still the best episode so far - not too long, more focused, and Jackson and Mendelsohn's chemistry is great.
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Post by Cat on Jul 7, 2023 23:51:46 GMT
I'd be surprise if that death is legit. Also Was that Rhodey's voice at the end? Because it was speculated that Rhodey may be a Skrull and if that was his voice it may actually be the case. This actually wasn't a bad episode. Gravik is shaping up to be a decent villain. We're half way through this series now, so we will have to see how it wraps up but I'm still thinking that the invasion story will more than likely be another wasted potential like we've gotten out of the MCU before. I think it was what's his face's voice at the end. It doesn't necessarily mean he's a Skrull though. It'd be kind of lame, imo, if he was, but it would be cool (also imo) if he was playing his own game, like orchestrating false flags.
That could justify whatever crowd control tactics and new world order stuff that seemed to be set up for the next Captain America outing.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 8, 2023 5:36:36 GMT
Is revealing that Fury had Skrull Agents really a retcon? It's something comics Fury wouldn't have an issue with, using his assets as best he could.
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Post by Cat on Jul 8, 2023 18:50:44 GMT
Is revealing that Fury had Skrull Agents really a retcon? It's something comics Fury wouldn't have an issue with, using his assets as best he could. Depends on how you define it. I'm not saying it isn't a retcon, but I don't really think it is. To me, a retcon (an MCU one at that) is saying that kid with an Iron Man mask in Iron Man 2 was Peter Parker.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 14, 2023 16:52:20 GMT
Is revealing that Fury had Skrull Agents really a retcon? It's something comics Fury wouldn't have an issue with, using his assets as best he could. I don’t think it’s a retcon because it doesn’t contradict anything that was previously established. Fury has many secrets. It’s called departmentalisation.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 20, 2023 2:54:53 GMT
A budget of over $200 million dollars with low viewership, utterly insane. Disney is spending too much on products not enough people want to invest their time into, and after seeing each of the episodes released so far, I cannot honestly say that I blame anyone who has either ditched or skipped the series. Outside of some exciting moments and decent interplay between the characters, it's pretty dull on the whole, and nowhere near as exciting as the comic event it takes its name from. In all honesty, I think Phase Four should have largely been about the Skrulls' secret invasion with the concept of the multiverse being an occasional occurrence in some content, as such we get too much telling and not enough showing.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 20, 2023 8:35:14 GMT
Tried to watch the first episode today and damn... I was bored to death. I don't think I've ever seen another MCU product this boring. Even Moonknight's first episode was a lot more interesting than this.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 20, 2023 13:29:09 GMT
A budget of over $200 million dollars with low viewership, utterly insane. Disney is spending too much on products not enough people want to invest their time into, and after seeing each of the episodes released so far, I cannot honestly say that I blame anyone who has either ditched or skipped the series. Outside of some exciting moments and decent interplay between the characters, it's pretty dull on the whole, and nowhere near as exciting as the comic event it takes its name from. In all honesty, I think Phase Four should have largely been about the Skrulls' secret invasion with the concept of the multiverse being an occasional occurrence in some content, as such we get too much telling and not enough showing. The comic event wasn't that good in the first place, it was just a random excuse to bring back old dead characters by saying "Oh, we were just replaced by Skrulls" and explain way any unpopular characterization for other characters as "Oh, we were replaced by Skrulls".
And it all came down to "Our society has been infiltrated and influenced by insidious subversive forces for years. We can fix it with a punch to the face."
It was like Onslaught, all that build up and the villain ending up being a big waste.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 20, 2023 13:29:21 GMT
Tried to watch the first episode today and damn... I was bored to death. I don't think I've ever seen another MCU product this boring. Even Moonknight's first episode was a lot more interesting than this. You hate Andor too?
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 20, 2023 15:17:51 GMT
Tried to watch the first episode today and damn... I was bored to death. I don't think I've ever seen another MCU product this boring. Even Moonknight's first episode was a lot more interesting than this. You hate Andor too? Haven't watched Andor.
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