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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2023 19:39:19 GMT
She did, she was talking about the sacrifices Wanda made for Humanity as a whole, not just what she did in that town. And how they'd never understand or appreciate any of that.
Vision was a sentient being
It was clear throughout the conversation that Rambo was talking specifically about Wanda giving up her imaginary friends to end the town's suffering. Let's be serious here. And I take it that no, Rambo never has a "welp, guess I shouldn't have enabled her sociopathy" moment in The Marvels. No, that's what the people who hated the show kept trying the line to make out. Monica was talking about every Wanda did, including all the good stuff that those people never appreciated and wouldn't appreciate because they'd only think about what happened there. And that she had to kill him all over again and this time killed her two kids too. And yes, they were all sentient beings.
Of course, when it's male characters who this happens to no one ever blames them for anything. Like Magneto
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 17, 2023 19:40:47 GMT
It honestly doesn't excuse her holding a town hostage by making them act out a tv fantasy of hers. It doesn't excuse it, it also is true those people wouldn't appreciate all she gave up for them, killing her family, including her sacrifices before she ever came to Westview in killing Vision the first time.
Which is partly why those people were alive in the first place.
Of course, when it's male characters who this happens to no one ever blames them for anything.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 17, 2023 19:59:48 GMT
It was clear throughout the conversation that Rambo was talking specifically about Wanda giving up her imaginary friends to end the town's suffering. Let's be serious here. And I take it that no, Rambo never has a "welp, guess I shouldn't have enabled her sociopathy" moment in The Marvels. No, that's what the people who hated the show kept trying the line to make out. Monica was talking about every Wanda did, including all the good stuff that those people never appreciated and wouldn't appreciate because they'd only think about what happened there. And that she had to kill him all over again and this time killed her two kids too. And yes, they were all sentient beings.
Of course, when it's male characters who this happens to no one ever blames them for anything. Like Magneto
Ay yi yi, this is a nonsense post. I don't care what's between Wanda's legs, what she did was evil and she should not have been forgiven by Rambo or anyone else, as reinforced by MoM. And your callous disregard for "those people" whom she enslaved and tortured makes you look pretty evil yourself, or at least blinded by Wanda"s main character syndrome.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 17, 2023 23:44:19 GMT
Bait, bait, bait...No bite. Pretty much every talking point you laid out is set up to hijack this topic again. So you won't respond to subjective analysis, typical. Fixed for you. And no, because I know you will keep that nonsense going on for days on end.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2023 1:24:26 GMT
No, that's what the people who hated the show kept trying the line to make out. Monica was talking about every Wanda did, including all the good stuff that those people never appreciated and wouldn't appreciate because they'd only think about what happened there. And that she had to kill him all over again and this time killed her two kids too. And yes, they were all sentient beings.
Of course, when it's male characters who this happens to no one ever blames them for anything. Like Magneto
Ay yi yi, this is a nonsense post. I don't care what's between Wanda's legs, what she did was evil and she should not have been forgiven by Rambo or anyone else, as reinforced by MoM. And your callous disregard for "those people" whom she enslaved and tortured makes you look pretty evil yourself, or at least blinded by Wanda"s main character syndrome. Uh huh, then why did no one demand Magneto be punished for what he did in X2 or X-Men Apocalypse? The audience sure wasn't as out for blood against him like they were with Wanda.
None of Wanda's sacrifices seem to matter to anyone though.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2023 1:25:08 GMT
So you won't respond to subjective analysis, typical. Fixed for you. And no, because I know you will keep that nonsense going on for days on end. So you refuse to take into account how the movie landscape changed, the negative impact D+ had and the poor marketing made people think they had to see streaming shows when they didn't?
Typical.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 18, 2023 1:35:18 GMT
Ay yi yi, this is a nonsense post. I don't care what's between Wanda's legs, what she did was evil and she should not have been forgiven by Rambo or anyone else, as reinforced by MoM. And your callous disregard for "those people" whom she enslaved and tortured makes you look pretty evil yourself, or at least blinded by Wanda"s main character syndrome. Uh huh, then why did no one demand Magneto be punished for what he did in X2 or X-Men Apocalypse? The audience sure wasn't as out for blood against him like they were with Wanda. First, I bet Dredd and company are laughing their asses off over the fact that you're picking an idpol debate with one of the board's most notorious leftists. Second, I don't generally like the guy, but I'm getting the sense that he's right to dismiss your posts as bait. You don't know me from a can of paint, where are you getting that I'm a Magneto apologist? If you're instantly jumping into whataboutism with a movie from 20 years ago, obviously you must not have any legit defenses of Wanda. Nevermind the fact that a lot of audiences (re: stupid ones) acted blindsided by the fact that she showed up as a villain in MoM, so clearly this cross her character has to bear for her committing evil acts while a w-w-woman is all in your head.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 18, 2023 2:05:16 GMT
As best as I recall, Scarlet Witch doesn’t really come up in the movie aside from them mentioning that Monica got her powers from a “witch hex.”
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 18, 2023 2:36:45 GMT
As best as I recall, Scarlet Witch doesn’t really come up in the movie aside from them mentioning that Monica got her powers from a “witch hex.” Thanks for actually answering my question.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2023 5:56:05 GMT
Uh huh, then why did no one demand Magneto be punished for what he did in X2 or X-Men Apocalypse? The audience sure wasn't as out for blood against him like they were with Wanda. First, I bet Dredd and company are laughing their asses off over the fact that you're picking an idpol debate with one of the board's most notorious leftists. Second, I don't generally like the guy, but I'm getting the sense that he's right to dismiss your posts as bait. You don't know me from a can of paint, where are you getting that I'm a Magneto apologist? If you're instantly jumping into whataboutism with a movie from 20 years ago, obviously you must not have any legit defenses of Wanda. Nevermind the fact that a lot of audiences (re: stupid ones) acted blindsided by the fact that she showed up as a villain in MoM, so clearly this cross her character has to bear for her committing evil acts while a w-w-woman is all in your head. I was actually talking about what Magneto did in X-Men Apocalypse in 2016.
Those audiences never watch WandaVision because they didn't have D+ and thus were wholly unaware of what happened in that show, that's why they were blindsided.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 18, 2023 5:58:30 GMT
First, I bet Dredd and company are laughing their asses off over the fact that you're picking an idpol debate with one of the board's most notorious leftists. Second, I don't generally like the guy, but I'm getting the sense that he's right to dismiss your posts as bait. You don't know me from a can of paint, where are you getting that I'm a Magneto apologist? If you're instantly jumping into whataboutism with a movie from 20 years ago, obviously you must not have any legit defenses of Wanda. Nevermind the fact that a lot of audiences (re: stupid ones) acted blindsided by the fact that she showed up as a villain in MoM, so clearly this cross her character has to bear for her committing evil acts while a w-w-woman is all in your head. I was actually talking about what Magneto did in X-Men Apocalypse in 2016.
Those audiences never watch WandaVision because they didn't have D+ and thus were wholly unaware of what happened in that show, that's why they were blindsided.
You specifically mentioned X2 as well. And I personally saw who those audiences were, and they were all people who saw Wandavision as an uplifting story about the grieving process (lol) that reinforced Wanda's heroism.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2023 8:22:35 GMT
It honestly doesn't excuse her holding a town hostage by making them act out a tv fantasy of hers. It doesn't excuse it, it also is true those people wouldn't appreciate all she gave up for them, killing her family, including her sacrifices before she ever came to Westview in killing Vision the first time.
Which is partly why those people were alive in the first place.
Of course, when it's male characters who this happens to no one ever blames them for anything.
Male characters get no blame? Are we going to ignore the blame Starlord got for essentially giving Thanos the win? Or how Thor is technically responsible for wasting time torturing Thanos instead of killing him before he used the gauntlet? Yeah I get Wanda was griefing over the loss of Vision, but she still held a town hostage and got off too easily. Hell, she went on a killing spree in DS 2 to kill a teenager because she wanted children from another universe but were supposed to think that her "killing herself" is a satisfying conclusion to her villain arch. And let's not get started with Doctor Strange breaking the multiverse because of Spider-Man.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2023 15:44:18 GMT
I was actually talking about what Magneto did in X-Men Apocalypse in 2016.
Those audiences never watch WandaVision because they didn't have D+ and thus were wholly unaware of what happened in that show, that's why they were blindsided.
You specifically mentioned X2 as well. And I personally saw who those audiences were, and they were all people who saw Wandavision as an uplifting story about the grieving process (lol) that reinforced Wanda's heroism. I personally saw the audience too, most were all "Uh, wait were we supposed to watch that show before this? I don't want to get D+!"
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2023 15:45:20 GMT
It doesn't excuse it, it also is true those people wouldn't appreciate all she gave up for them, killing her family, including her sacrifices before she ever came to Westview in killing Vision the first time.
Which is partly why those people were alive in the first place.
Of course, when it's male characters who this happens to no one ever blames them for anything.
Male characters get no blame? Are we going to ignore the blame Starlord got for essentially giving Thanos the win? Or how Thor is technically responsible for wasting time torturing Thanos instead of killing him before he used the gauntlet? Yeah I get Wanda was griefing over the loss of Vision, but she still held a town hostage and got off too easily. Hell, she went on a killing spree in DS 2 to kill a teenager because she wanted children from another universe but were supposed to think that her "killing herself" is a satisfying conclusion to her villain arch. And let's not get started with Doctor Strange breaking the multiverse because of Spider-Man. Do the people in the MCU blame Starlord for that? No they do not. No one holds it against Thor either.
And Dr Strange, no one in universe blames him for anything he did either.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2023 15:49:03 GMT
Male characters get no blame? Are we going to ignore the blame Starlord got for essentially giving Thanos the win? Or how Thor is technically responsible for wasting time torturing Thanos instead of killing him before he used the gauntlet? Yeah I get Wanda was griefing over the loss of Vision, but she still held a town hostage and got off too easily. Hell, she went on a killing spree in DS 2 to kill a teenager because she wanted children from another universe but were supposed to think that her "killing herself" is a satisfying conclusion to her villain arch. And let's not get started with Doctor Strange breaking the multiverse because of Spider-Man. Do the people in the MCU blame Starlord for that? No they do not. No one holds it against Thor either.
And Dr Strange, no one in universe blames him for anything he did either.
Thor went through a depressing state because of it. At the very least he held it against himself. Wong was also upset with Strange over the multiverse shenanigans.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 18, 2023 15:50:27 GMT
Also in the Spider-Man multiverse case, we had the cop-out ending of everyone, with the exception of Peter, getting their memories getting wiped.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 18, 2023 16:14:34 GMT
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 19, 2023 1:53:32 GMT
It's second weekend has not fared any better, in fact it dropped pretty catastrophically, it may be the first Marvel Studios release to not make it past $100 million domestically, www.slashfilm.com/1450417/marvels-biggest-second-weekend-box-office-drop-mcu/ Sorry formersamhmd, but this doesn't look like it will be seeing any rise in interest like Elemental had this summer. Not with this trajectory. And before you bestow upon us another of your monologues about "The Man" is to blame for its box office for creating a world where progressivism cannot succeed in this day and age, it turns out most of the profit made from this movie actually came from...Men. Most of the female demographic didn't show up for it, see this video that explains why that is probably the case (made by a woman I should add) -
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 19, 2023 18:38:24 GMT
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Post by pennypacker on Nov 19, 2023 19:28:42 GMT
Yikes!
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