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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Feb 7, 2024 14:26:28 GMT
NCIS is this generation's Matlock. I don't know anyone younger than my parents who watch that show*. *Besides my wife, unfortunately. Have never watched NCIS, CSI, Law & Order, ... There's way too many options for television viewing. No one can watch everything.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 7, 2024 15:00:19 GMT
Have never watched NCIS, CSI, Law & Order, ... There's way too many options for television viewing. No one can watch everything. I've never been into whodunits, whether in movies like film-noir or TV shows or literature. A few exceptions like the documentary Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills. I did watch some TV episodes of 60s shows like Hawaii-Five-O, Mod Squad, and Mannix but by the 70s, I was done. Some I find really annoying, like The Maltese Falcon. Also dislike Rear Window and Vertigo because Jimmy Stewart won't shut up.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Feb 7, 2024 15:03:56 GMT
There's way too many options for television viewing. No one can watch everything. I've never been into whodunits, whether in movies like film-noir or TV shows or literature. A few exceptions like the documentary Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills. I did watch some TV episodes of 60s shows like Hawaii-Five-O, Mod Squad, and Mannix but by the 70s, I was done. Some I find really annoying, like The Maltese Falcon. Also dislike Rear Window and Vertigo because Jimmy Stewart won't shut up. With Law & Order, NCIS and all of the carbon copies that exist, the whodunit aspect is always really easy - whoever the most recognizable face is outside of the main cast, they did it. And it's always a b- or c-level star, typically a "that guy/gal", or a washed up hasbeen star who needs a paycheck for alimony.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 7, 2024 15:10:14 GMT
I've never been into whodunits, whether in movies like film-noir or TV shows or literature. A few exceptions like the documentary Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills. I did watch some TV episodes of 60s shows like Hawaii-Five-O, Mod Squad, and Mannix but by the 70s, I was done. Some I find really annoying, like The Maltese Falcon. Also dislike Rear Window and Vertigo because Jimmy Stewart won't shut up. With Law & Order, NCIS and all of the carbon copies that exist, the whodunit aspect is always really easy - whoever the most recognizable face is outside of the main cast, they did it. And it's always a b- or c-level star, typically a "that guy/gal", or a washed up hasbeen star who needs a paycheck for alimony. On Law and Order it's often a Broadway actor who just had an extra couple of hours on Monday when their show is dark. And it doesn't matter if they've been in before as an entirely different character.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 7, 2024 15:16:49 GMT
With Law & Order, NCIS and all of the carbon copies that exist, the whodunit aspect is always really easy - whoever the most recognizable face is outside of the main cast, they did it. And it's always a b- or c-level star, typically a "that guy/gal", or a washed up hasbeen star who needs a paycheck for alimony. On Law and Order it's often a Broadway actor who just had an extra couple of hours on Monday when their show is dark. And it doesn't matter if they've been in before as an entirely different character. When Dennis Franz, the perfect villain Sal Benedetto on Hill Street Blues (killed off too early after 4 episodes) came back as good-guy cop Buntz, I was out.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 7, 2024 17:17:28 GMT
I've never been into whodunits, whether in movies like film-noir or TV shows or literature. A few exceptions like the documentary Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills. I did watch some TV episodes of 60s shows like Hawaii-Five-O, Mod Squad, and Mannix but by the 70s, I was done. Some I find really annoying, like The Maltese Falcon. Also dislike Rear Window and Vertigo because Jimmy Stewart won't shut up. With Law & Order, NCIS and all of the carbon copies that exist, the whodunit aspect is always really easy - whoever the most recognizable face is outside of the main cast, they did it. And it's always a b- or c-level star, typically a "that guy/gal", or a washed up hasbeen star who needs a paycheck for alimony. Once in a while it’s Julia Roberts or Ellen Pompeo or the guy who played Phil Dunphy on Modern Family. I love the OG Law and Order. Not the reboot that’s on now but I can watch a 20 year old episode like it’s a long lost friend. SVU doesn’t do much for me once Stabler left, it should have ended years ago. Criminal Intent was cool because Vincent Donofrio was the main guy and it was a little different. The only other whodunnit we sometimes watch is Criminal Minds. The older ones are DARK.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 7, 2024 17:41:11 GMT
With Law & Order, NCIS and all of the carbon copies that exist, the whodunit aspect is always really easy - whoever the most recognizable face is outside of the main cast, they did it. And it's always a b- or c-level star, typically a "that guy/gal", or a washed up hasbeen star who needs a paycheck for alimony. Once in a while it’s Julia Roberts or Ellen Pompeo or the guy who played Phil Dunphy on Modern Family. I love the OG Law and Order. Not the reboot that’s on now but I can watch a 20 year old episode like it’s a long lost friend. SVU doesn’t do much for me once Stabler left, it should have ended years ago. Criminal Intent was cool because Vincent Donofrio was the main guy and it was a little different. The only other whodunnit we sometimes watch is Criminal Minds. The older ones are DARK. I could never get into any of the Laws or Orders. They all felt so extremely cheesy and rigidly formulaic. My wife decided to binge Criminal Minds a while back. It was completely ridiculous and silly, but I could see the appeal... a little bit. The thing these shows do that amuse the most is when they pretend they have actual characters. The main cast members are nothing but exposition machines 99% of the time, but then every so often they devote part of an episode to one their personal relationships or some sob story/back story. It never works, and is always shallow and dumb. There's an entertainment value in that, but they're impossible to take seriously.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Feb 7, 2024 17:44:10 GMT
My neighbor is Orthodox and he blew a fuse on Shabbat. I was outside grilling and he flagged me down and asked me to flip it back on. I said I don't know man. I don't want to piss off anybody's God. I did it but really, what's the point if you are just going to have me do it for you. You clearly aren't that much of a believer. I'm no Torah scholar, but as I understand it the issues surrounding not using electronics is about not 'doing work' of any kind because you're only supposed to be observing a day of rest and reflecting on religion. Now in today's age wouldn't you think that using modern conveniences would ease your level of 'work' and allow you to 'rest' more easily? It's almost as if it's subjective and that interpreting these things literally doesn't make much sense. As far as I know, in the particular case of electric/electronic machines the rule that applies is not the generic one about "not doing work", it's a specific one about not lighting fires. The ultra Orthodox have an interpretation that turning an electric switch on generates a "spark" which is the equivalent of lighting a fire.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 7, 2024 17:44:52 GMT
With Law & Order, NCIS and all of the carbon copies that exist, the whodunit aspect is always really easy - whoever the most recognizable face is outside of the main cast, they did it. And it's always a b- or c-level star, typically a "that guy/gal", or a washed up hasbeen star who needs a paycheck for alimony. Once in a while it’s Julia Roberts or Ellen Pompeo or the guy who played Phil Dunphy on Modern Family. I love the OG Law and Order. Not the reboot that’s on now but I can watch a 20 year old episode like it’s a long lost friend. SVU doesn’t do much for me once Stabler left, it should have ended years ago. Criminal Intent was cool because Vincent Donofrio was the main guy and it was a little different. The only other whodunnit we sometimes watch is Criminal Minds. The older ones are DARK. I love OG Law & Order, it shouldn't even be compared with garbage shows like CSI or NCIS. Those are braindead capers filled with cartoonish characters. They aren't even intended to be taken seriously, as far as I can tell from the commercials. What sets L&O apart is that every episode is a thought experiment. The whodunnit aspect is less important than the why they did it, do you think they were justified, do you agree with the court's decision, do our laws and criminal sentences reflect our society properly, and so on. If you're watching it trying to be clever and figure out the culprit, you're watching the wrong show. Law & Order is my favorite show of all time because I can watch 5 episodes in a row without realizing it, and each episode gives you something to think about. The absolute best episodes are always the ones where the prosecution loses the case, because it highlights the flaws in our justice system.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Feb 7, 2024 17:51:06 GMT
I'm no Torah scholar, but as I understand it the issues surrounding not using electronics is about not 'doing work' of any kind because you're only supposed to be observing a day of rest and reflecting on religion. Now in today's age wouldn't you think that using modern conveniences would ease your level of 'work' and allow you to 'rest' more easily? It's almost as if it's subjective and that interpreting these things literally doesn't make much sense. As far as I know, in the particular case of electric/electronic machines the rule that applies is not the generic one about "not doing work", it's a specific one about not lighting fires. The ultra Orthodox have an interpretation that turning an electric switch on generates a "spark" which is the equivalent of lighting a fire.
I see. I suppose that makes slightly more sense, although it still relies on applying a modern interpretation to an ancient tex that had no concept of whatever technology was going to look like five thousand years in the future. So... slightly more sense, but ever so slight. This is also the interpretation that leads to fires from leaving crockpots on all weekend.
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Post by Horselover Fat on Feb 7, 2024 18:33:39 GMT
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Post by Horselover Fat on Feb 7, 2024 18:42:28 GMT
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Post by Horselover Fat on Feb 7, 2024 18:44:53 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EruvI had to look up "Jewish wires" but the eruv thing seems to be pushing the letter of the law a little bit. There used to be a wire surrounding Manhattan.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Feb 7, 2024 19:28:03 GMT
Once in a while it’s Julia Roberts or Ellen Pompeo or the guy who played Phil Dunphy on Modern Family. I love the OG Law and Order. Not the reboot that’s on now but I can watch a 20 year old episode like it’s a long lost friend. SVU doesn’t do much for me once Stabler left, it should have ended years ago. Criminal Intent was cool because Vincent Donofrio was the main guy and it was a little different. The only other whodunnit we sometimes watch is Criminal Minds. The older ones are DARK. I love OG Law & Order, it shouldn't even be compared with garbage shows like CSI or NCIS. Those are braindead capers filled with cartoonish characters. They aren't even intended to be taken seriously, as far as I can tell from the commercials. What sets L&O apart is that every episode is a thought experiment. The whodunnit aspect is less important than the why they did it, do you think they were justified, do you agree with the court's decision, do our laws and criminal sentences reflect our society properly, and so on. If you're watching it trying to be clever and figure out the culprit, you're watching the wrong show. Law & Order is my favorite show of all time because I can watch 5 episodes in a row without realizing it, and each episode gives you something to think about. The absolute best episodes are always the ones where the prosecution loses the case, because it highlights the flaws in our justice system. 1. Favorite cop pairings - Briscoe and Curtis, Briscoe and Logan, Bernard and Lupo. I never liked Green much. They tried to make him seem like extra tough or something but I never bought it. 2. Favorite ADA partnered with McCoy - Jamie Ross followed by Abbie Carmichael. Serena was just ok and I kinda liked Claire. I love Cutter but not his partner Rubirosa. 3. DA ranking - Schiff and then Nora, never liked Fred Dalton Thompson mainly because I politically disagree with him on the show and in real life. 4. Things that make an episode better - Jack loses. Jack is held in contempt. The world weariness of the judges in the bail hearings. Ripped from the headlines episodes. Watching Briscoe trying to chase a fleeing suspect. Episodes with the death penalty. Schiff when he’s extra crotchety. Episodes with actors that went on to stardom but not back then (Ellen Pompeo, Sebastian Stan, Laura Linney, etc.). Every single Skoda appearance.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 7, 2024 19:51:10 GMT
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Post by Shane Falco on Feb 7, 2024 22:45:59 GMT
I've never been into whodunits, whether in movies like film-noir or TV shows or literature. A few exceptions like the documentary Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills. I did watch some TV episodes of 60s shows like Hawaii-Five-O, Mod Squad, and Mannix but by the 70s, I was done. Some I find really annoying, like The Maltese Falcon. Also dislike Rear Window and Vertigo because Jimmy Stewart won't shut up. With Law & Order, NCIS and all of the carbon copies that exist, the whodunit aspect is always really easy - whoever the most recognizable face is outside of the main cast, they did it. And it's always a b- or c-level star, typically a "that guy/gal", or a washed up hasbeen star who needs a paycheck for alimony. I remember there being an episode of one of the Law and Orders, I wanna say it was SVU and randomly Robin Williams was in the episode. Obviously he ended up being the villain. Think he played either a pedophile which is very common in that show. He got away too, possibly leaving the option for him to return. Was the biggest star I've ever seen in a show like that. Sarah Hyland was in an episode too but no idea if it was while Modern Family was airing or before.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 7, 2024 23:01:12 GMT
I love OG Law & Order, it shouldn't even be compared with garbage shows like CSI or NCIS. Those are braindead capers filled with cartoonish characters. They aren't even intended to be taken seriously, as far as I can tell from the commercials. What sets L&O apart is that every episode is a thought experiment. The whodunnit aspect is less important than the why they did it, do you think they were justified, do you agree with the court's decision, do our laws and criminal sentences reflect our society properly, and so on. If you're watching it trying to be clever and figure out the culprit, you're watching the wrong show. Law & Order is my favorite show of all time because I can watch 5 episodes in a row without realizing it, and each episode gives you something to think about. The absolute best episodes are always the ones where the prosecution loses the case, because it highlights the flaws in our justice system. 1. Favorite cop pairings - Briscoe and Curtis, Briscoe and Logan, Bernard and Lupo. I never liked Green much. They tried to make him seem like extra tough or something but I never bought it. 2. Favorite ADA partnered with McCoy - Jamie Ross followed by Abbie Carmichael. Serena was just ok and I kinda liked Claire. I love Cutter but not his partner Rubirosa. 3. DA ranking - Schiff and then Nora, never liked Fred Dalton Thompson mainly because I politically disagree with him on the show and in real life. 4. Things that make an episode better - Jack loses. Jack is held in contempt. The world weariness of the judges in the bail hearings. Ripped from the headlines episodes. Watching Briscoe trying to chase a fleeing suspect. Episodes with the death penalty. Schiff when he’s extra crotchety. Episodes with actors that went on to stardom but not back then (Ellen Pompeo, Sebastian Stan, Laura Linney, etc.). Every single Skoda appearance. Agree with your detective pairings. I think the first two are everyone's two favorites. I did like Green; he had a good, kind of easy going energy to him, but there were times when his character needed more of an edge that Jesse Martin couldn't or didn't provide. Oddly enough, I'm a huge Dennis Farina fan, but never really liked his character on this show. For ADAs, I'd go Kincaid then Carmichael. They were all pretty good, but to your point, they never seemed to do much with Serena's character, so she was just kind of there, looking too pretty to be an ADA. Again, she needed more of an edge to her-- but I blame that on the writers instead of the actress in this case. I liked Cutter and Rubirosa, though I thought it was weird the way they made her looks into a subplot on multiple episodes. The show lost steam in the early 2000s, where it seems like every other episode somehow has to do with the war in Iraq. It also got more preachy as it went on. Like I said earlier, the show exists not as a whodunnit but as a way to express a legal debate in prime time. But I felt they lost their touch over the years and started overloading some episodes with too many clunky exposition scenes, as if the audience couldn't figure out what was at stake here, morally as well as legally. My favorite episode overall is surprisingly from a later season during the first run. Quit Claim, S18, E7. Filled with twists and you don't get a proper resolution. Amazing episode.
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 9, 2024 4:01:51 GMT
1. Favorite cop pairings - Briscoe and Curtis, Briscoe and Logan, Bernard and Lupo. I never liked Green much. They tried to make him seem like extra tough or something but I never bought it. 2. Favorite ADA partnered with McCoy - Jamie Ross followed by Abbie Carmichael. Serena was just ok and I kinda liked Claire. I love Cutter but not his partner Rubirosa. 3. DA ranking - Schiff and then Nora, never liked Fred Dalton Thompson mainly because I politically disagree with him on the show and in real life. 4. Things that make an episode better - Jack loses. Jack is held in contempt. The world weariness of the judges in the bail hearings. Ripped from the headlines episodes. Watching Briscoe trying to chase a fleeing suspect. Episodes with the death penalty. Schiff when he’s extra crotchety. Episodes with actors that went on to stardom but not back then (Ellen Pompeo, Sebastian Stan, Laura Linney, etc.). Every single Skoda appearance. Agree with your detective pairings. I think the first two are everyone's two favorites. I did like Green; he had a good, kind of easy going energy to him, but there were times when his character needed more of an edge that Jesse Martin couldn't or didn't provide. Oddly enough, I'm a huge Dennis Farina fan, but never really liked his character on this show. For ADAs, I'd go Kincaid then Carmichael. They were all pretty good, but to your point, they never seemed to do much with Serena's character, so she was just kind of there, looking too pretty to be an ADA. Again, she needed more of an edge to her-- but I blame that on the writers instead of the actress in this case. I liked Cutter and Rubirosa, though I thought it was weird the way they made her looks into a subplot on multiple episodes. The show lost steam in the early 2000s, where it seems like every other episode somehow has to do with the war in Iraq. It also got more preachy as it went on. Like I said earlier, the show exists not as a whodunnit but as a way to express a legal debate in prime time. But I felt they lost their touch over the years and started overloading some episodes with too many clunky exposition scenes, as if the audience couldn't figure out what was at stake here, morally as well as legally. My favorite episode overall is surprisingly from a later season during the first run. Quit Claim, S18, E7. Filled with twists and you don't get a proper resolution. Amazing episode. No love for the earliest years? I wasn't super into George Dzundza (just thought of him as the always laughing bar owner in The Deer Hunter) but I liked the Michael Moriarity/Paul Sorvino years. Liked Paul Robinette too (I like any episode where a former DA becomes a defense lawyer). I'm not a Jill Hennessy fan, so I'd go Ross and then Carmichael. I was 19 when the first episode came out . . . now I'm 53. First season is midway between the second seasons of Gunsmoke and Captain Kangaroo and now. Pretty amazing.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 9, 2024 12:58:24 GMT
Agree with your detective pairings. I think the first two are everyone's two favorites. I did like Green; he had a good, kind of easy going energy to him, but there were times when his character needed more of an edge that Jesse Martin couldn't or didn't provide. Oddly enough, I'm a huge Dennis Farina fan, but never really liked his character on this show. For ADAs, I'd go Kincaid then Carmichael. They were all pretty good, but to your point, they never seemed to do much with Serena's character, so she was just kind of there, looking too pretty to be an ADA. Again, she needed more of an edge to her-- but I blame that on the writers instead of the actress in this case. I liked Cutter and Rubirosa, though I thought it was weird the way they made her looks into a subplot on multiple episodes. The show lost steam in the early 2000s, where it seems like every other episode somehow has to do with the war in Iraq. It also got more preachy as it went on. Like I said earlier, the show exists not as a whodunnit but as a way to express a legal debate in prime time. But I felt they lost their touch over the years and started overloading some episodes with too many clunky exposition scenes, as if the audience couldn't figure out what was at stake here, morally as well as legally. My favorite episode overall is surprisingly from a later season during the first run. Quit Claim, S18, E7. Filled with twists and you don't get a proper resolution. Amazing episode. No love for the earliest years? I wasn't super into George Dzundza (just thought of him as the always laughing bar owner in The Deer Hunter) but I liked the Michael Moriarity/Paul Sorvino years. Liked Paul Robinette too (I like any episode where a former DA becomes a defense lawyer). I'm not a Jill Hennessy fan, so I'd go Ross and then Carmichael. I was 19 when the first episode came out . . . now I'm 53. First season is midway between the second seasons of Gunsmoke and Captain Kangaroo and now. Pretty amazing. Moriarty and Sorvino set the tone for what the show wanted to be, right from the jump. It obviously still would've been great had they stayed around, but what they did was create the template for how good this show could be, in terms of acting. And yes, it hurts to think about how long ago 1990 was now.
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Feb 10, 2024 14:28:56 GMT
With Law & Order, NCIS and all of the carbon copies that exist, the whodunit aspect is always really easy - whoever the most recognizable face is outside of the main cast, they did it. And it's always a b- or c-level star, typically a "that guy/gal", or a washed up hasbeen star who needs a paycheck for alimony. I remember there being an episode of one of the Law and Orders, I wanna say it was SVU and randomly Robin Williams was in the episode. Obviously he ended up being the villain. Think he played either a pedophile which is very common in that show. He got away too, possibly leaving the option for him to return. Was the biggest star I've ever seen in a show like that. Sarah Hyland was in an episode too but no idea if it was while Modern Family was airing or before. Williams's character was inspired by the real life incident involving a fast food restaurant receiving a call from someone claiming to be a cop. The individual informed a manager that an employee was responsible for a theft. The employee was searched, but the claim was false. Williams's agenda involved people being persuaded to do what he told them to do, if I remember correctly. As for the guest stars in the entire universe of shows, all shows tend to have a range of guest stars from up-and-comers to the established performers- usually, but not always- past their prime. SVU episodes tend to have the latter in roles that usually are uncharacteristic to prior roles. And NBC promos made that perfectly clear. I bailed on the entire franchise after the death that necessitated the creation of the newest show. If a rerun is on, I probably watch.
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