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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:44:38 GMT
Not trying to trigger anyone, just saying my piece. I enjoy both the MCU and the DCEU. After 45+ years, I was totally thrilled to see -- with MAN OF STEEL -- the character and his mythos finally given the "straight" science fiction/action-adventure treatment... with no tongue-in-cheek camp. I never, ever again want to see a character like "Otis" (from the Christopher Reeve films) in a Superman movie. And if the Avengers start hanging out with a talking, wise-cracking raccoon, then the MCU could well devolve into nothing more than FLASH GORDON (1980) -- only with better FX. Totally agreed.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 24, 2017 16:58:20 GMT
I'd argue that it's these problems that actually help make the DCEU popular. It's the "it's so infamous it became famous" kind of things. That clearly has not been a benefit to it when BVS came up over $300 million short of Civil War. You can't make the case that it's made DC popular when that kind of poor box office result happens. A great BVS film could have and perhaps should have exceeded Civil War, so you can make a reasonable estimate that the crap quality lost them $400 million. There is no way to call that good. The reason why BvS made the kind of money it did despite being a crappy movie is exactly because it IS popular. Now had it actually been a good movie then it would have made more.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 24, 2017 17:01:12 GMT
I'm in my 50s and have seen it all. My first Superman was the old black & white TV show (running in syndication) starring George Reeves. MAN OF STEEL and BVS: DAWN OF JUSTICE (ULTIMATE EDITION) are as good as any of the best MCU films. Am not looking forward to seeing Tony Stark and Steve Rogers interacting with that fucking talking raccoon cartoon. Don't really think age has anything to do with validating an opinion regarding cbm's one way or another. And no, from a completely objective stand point, MoS and BvS have far too many weak points to even begin to compete against MCU's best films. I'm not even getting into what I personally like more, I'm just saying that MoS and BvS have a bunch of objective faults, mistakes and weaknesses that immediately make them lesser than some of MCU's best films. You can make a case for them being at par with the lower end of the MCU spectrum, but no way you can make an objective argument for them rivaling the best MCU films.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Feb 24, 2017 17:23:59 GMT
I'm in my 50s and have seen it all. My first Superman was the old black & white TV show (running in syndication) starring George Reeves. MAN OF STEEL and BVS: DAWN OF JUSTICE (ULTIMATE EDITION) are as good as any of the best MCU films. Don't really think age has anything to do with validating an opinion one way or another. I agree that age does not validate someone's opinion... A reflex, on my part, since I've been ripped on other forums for merely liking MOS -- and have had folks assume I was actually some young teen or twenty-something who just didn't understand "the real Superman." All of the MCU and DCEU films have flaws, some more than others. And while not a Zack Snyder "fan" (I dislike 300 and SUCKER PUNCH), I think his two DCEU flicks are topnotch comic book/superhero adventures. Yes, they are more "serious". But in general, to me they have an epic, operatic quality to them that the MCU doesn't quite grasp, and which fits the characters and material. My favorite modern (post-2000) superhero movie fight sequences: 1. Battle of Smallville, MOS 2. Warehouse fight, BVS:DOJ 3. Highway battle, CA: THE WINTER SOLDIER
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 24, 2017 17:27:42 GMT
Don't really think age has anything to do with validating an opinion one way or another. I agree that age does not validate someone's opinion... A reflex, on my part, since I've been ripped on other forums for merely liking MOS -- and have had folks assume I was actually some young teen or twenty-something who just didn't understand "the real Superman." All of the MCU and DCEU films have flaws, some more than others. And while not a Zack Snyder "fan" (I dislike 300 and SUCKER PUNCH), I think his two DCEU flicks are topnotch comic book/superhero adventures. Yes, they are more "serious". But in general, to me they have an epic, operatic quality to them that the MCU doesn't quite grasp, and which fits the characters and material. My favorite modern (post-2000) superhero movie fight sequences: 1. Battle of Smallville, MOS 2. Warehouse fight, BVS:DOJ 3. Highway battle, CA: THE WINTER SOLDIER Well if you say that you liked or preferred MoS and BvS over any MCU film, I will not contest that. That boils down to preference. I just don't think that there is any objective metric out there that will rank those two movies anywhere near the top MCU movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 17:29:12 GMT
Don't really think age has anything to do with validating an opinion one way or another. I agree that age does not validate someone's opinion... A reflex, on my part, since I've been ripped on other forums for merely liking MOS -- and have had folks assume I was actually some young teen or twenty-something who just didn't understand "the real Superman." All of the MCU and DCEU films have flaws, some more than others. And while not a Zack Snyder "fan" (I dislike 300 and SUCKER PUNCH), I think his two DCEU flicks are topnotch comic book/superhero adventures. Yes, they are more "serious". But in general, to me they have an epic, operatic quality to them that the MCU doesn't quite grasp, and which fits the characters and material. My favorite modern (post-2000) superhero movie fight sequences: 1. Battle of Smallville, MOS 2. Warehouse fight, BVS:DOJ 3. Highway battle, CA: THE WINTER SOLDIER
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 24, 2017 18:20:56 GMT
The reason why BvS made the kind of money it did despite being a crappy movie is exactly because it IS popular. Now had it actually been a good movie then it would have made more. Ahhhhhhhhh, so we're talking about two different things now. The characters are popular yes. The product as presented is far less popular, as you just stated. It has much more potential than the crap movies have allowed it to reach. I agree.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 24, 2017 18:37:55 GMT
The reason why BvS made the kind of money it did despite being a crappy movie is exactly because it IS popular. Now had it actually been a good movie then it would have made more. Ahhhhhhhhh, so we're talking about two different things now. The characters are popular yes. The product as presented is far less popular, as you just stated. It has much more potential than the crap movies have allowed it to reach. I agree. Yes, I'm referring to popular as in "widely known", not widely loved. The Transformers franchise, Twilight, Hunger Games.... all these should belong to Popular movie franchises even if their quality (and reception) is questionable.
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Post by havenless on Mar 2, 2017 22:17:21 GMT
Popular also has nothing to do with quality. Do you think the deadpool movie was popular? More people decided to see BvS than that. Guardians of the Galaxy? More people saw BvS.
That's what popular means.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 7, 2018 11:57:45 GMT
LMAO
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on May 7, 2018 13:56:15 GMT
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Post by DSDSquared on May 8, 2018 19:20:04 GMT
Don't really think age has anything to do with validating an opinion one way or another. I agree that age does not validate someone's opinion... A reflex, on my part, since I've been ripped on other forums for merely liking MOS -- and have had folks assume I was actually some young teen or twenty-something who just didn't understand "the real Superman." All of the MCU and DCEU films have flaws, some more than others. And while not a Zack Snyder "fan" (I dislike 300 and SUCKER PUNCH), I think his two DCEU flicks are topnotch comic book/superhero adventures. Yes, they are more "serious". But in general, to me they have an epic, operatic quality to them that the MCU doesn't quite grasp, and which fits the characters and material. My favorite modern (post-2000) superhero movie fight sequences: 1. Battle of Smallville, MOS 2. Warehouse fight, BVS:DOJ 3. Highway battle, CA: THE WINTER SOLDIER I do not care if you are 5 or 50. If you think BvS is better than ANY film in the MCU, better yet its best, then you are a moron.
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