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Post by novastar6 on Apr 14, 2024 17:58:49 GMT
You can only blame a virus for YEARS of audience absence and box office bombs for so long.
Now I think this comment sums it up.
Killing the heroes is definitely bad movie mojo. Making the heroes pathetic burnt out losers to shove them out of the way for woke box checking virtue signaling perfect heroes who usptage them with no training, is film suicide. Sometimes killing the hero can work, like Transformers: The Movie, partly I think because they brought Optimus Prime back in the cartoon series, but not here. People argue that 'heroes' are an antiquated and obsolete term and they must now be actually very unlikable people to be more realistic so we can relate to them. Who ever came up with that dumb decision?
So sure, blame the pandemic for people STILL not coming back to the theaters. Whatever you do, don't admit it's because the product you're putting out sucks and could be outdone by literally an 8 year old's fanfiction.
Hell yes, that could've worked, put a whole new notch of of fantastical proof under Mr. "I don't believe in hocus pocus"'s belt. Indiana Jones in King Arthur's Court, that could've been interesting, it certainly couldn't have been any worse. When people say 'Dial of Destiny makes Kingdom of Crystal Skull look good', that's NOT supposed to be a compliment. It's not so much even like saying 'Highlander: The Quickening (dubbed WORST movie in the series for years) looks good compared to Highlander: The Source', it'd be like saying: 'Highlander: The Final Dimension (which NOBODY even remembers today and there's not much lost there) looks good compared to The Source', and it kind of does but it's saying DAMN little. As much as you have to suspend disbelief in this series about people who live hundreds of years and cut each other's heads off, #3 makes NO sense whatsoever.
Movies have been hit and miss for years, even before theaters shut down. Last movie I saw in our little 2 room theater when I was 12, Lilo and Stitch, best movie experience of my then life. 4 years later we finally get a new 4 room theater, first movie we see? Garfield 2. Next one, Cars, which was a great experience, and the first few years, I saw a lot of movies when they came out, some really good, a lot of them just 'meh'. After that, there were YEARS in between where nothing came out that I thought was worth the price of admission and it was a LOT cheaper then than it is now. They got the most business from me in recent years DURING the pandemic, admission was $2 and I got to see Jaws, E.T., The Goonies, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, The Amityville Horror, and The Empire Strikes Back. The low admission definitely didn't hurt, but I would've gone to see them at full price, because they're GOOD movies. I had never even SEEN Back to the Future or ESB at that time, those were my first experiences with them, and they were kickass. Nothing is coming out or has been coming out that's that level of kickass. We're told the problem is US instead of the product.
We only ever had a little independent video store in our town, no Blockbuster, etc, and when it closed, that was sad, but what really hurt was the day they got rid of all the VHS movies. Not only were they cheaper than the DVD rentals, but the selection was bigger, wider, all kinds of stuff you couldn't even GET on DVD at that time. When it was just all the new stuff, then business really went into the toilet. That's not telling?
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 14, 2024 18:04:58 GMT
So much hyperbole.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 14, 2024 18:05:35 GMT
Cinema still has magic and can still surprise. But we need more originality, more creativity, more artistry, more risk, etc. We need a lot less nostalgia, franchise films, unnecessary remakes, etc.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 14, 2024 18:09:17 GMT
Cinema still has magic and can still surprise. But we need more originality, more creativity, more artistry, more risk, etc. We need a lot less nostalgia, franchise films, unnecessary remakes, etc. We got plenty of that in 2023, just not so much with blockbuster movies. The "Summer" type movies just aren't as good as they used to be and are getting lazier in many cases, but we still get good stuff like Guardians of the Galaxy 3. I think 2023 was a great year for movies, just not a good year for sequels or huge budget movies. There are too many sequels anyhow. The problem is people don't feel the need to go see smaller movies at the cinema anymore, because they can just watch them at home a month later in many cases. I think the length of many movies is causing people to not go to the cinema in some cases as well. Killers of the Flower Moon for example. Unless you are a hardcore Scorsese fan you aren't likely to go see a period piece that is 3.5 hours long at the cinema.
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Post by James on Apr 14, 2024 18:15:23 GMT
People have been saying Hollywood is "dead" for a while now...I'll believe it when it actually happens.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 14, 2024 18:27:55 GMT
Your audition is complete, Nova. I've reviewed it with the Society of White Men and we've agreed you can sit at the big table. In that little spot between the Uncle Tom and the self hating Mexican right there. Just squeeze in. Congratulations.
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Post by Cat on Apr 14, 2024 20:04:32 GMT
I watch a lot of movies from the past. I watched The Godfather for the first time last night as a matter of fact. There's actually a certain amount of sympathy I feel towards the belief that Hollywood has been in decline, but in my opinion, the frustration is seldom aimed at the right targets. Studio greed has been a deciding factor since the beginning of movies. The business model is as capitalistic as it ever was, and films past and present were never good because of this. They were good because cast and crew stood strong against studio interference. After almost every movie I watch, I read the IMDb trivia about them, and in every instance it comes up, a movie was either saved by cast and crew pushing back against the studio, or it was ruined because a studio got their way. 2023 was a year this conflict came to a head because advances in AI were making it difficult for the creators to stand up to the studios who only care about the bottom line. Make no mistake about it. The bottom line for these studios is money. It's not art. It's not the movie-going experience. It's not making magic. These are all side effects in the pursuit of making as much money as possible with as little spending as possible. Studios bank-roll a lot of movies. Most movies wouldn't exist without them, so I would suggest these same studios are the best and worst thing to ever happen to movies. Giving the Best Picture award to the producers/studios for enabling the movie is a courtesy because who else does it go to? But really, it's a crock.
Even while reading The Godfather behind the scenes actions, it was a near non-stop game of thrones of threats to recast and rehire and politics. Advents in tech have just made it easier for studios to win.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 14, 2024 20:33:08 GMT
Movies can never be as exciting or special as they were when the technology was new (unless it gets into holograms though I don't think that would be enough either) but the main problem today is that artistic works require a certain kind of passionate engagement to do enduring quality and the centralized corporate mentality makes that impossible.
When they were more dependent on actors to promote a film, they required better writers--but these days neither the star nor writer has any importance--they are selling visual noise at best.
Plus--they no longer see North America and Western Europe as the audience--they see the globe. So they try to make things that can translate universally--meaning it has to be devoid of the standard character or plot that was commonplace 40-50 years ago (although the big studios made a lot of incomprehensible box office duds back then--but they had a larger output and a lot more competition in theaters from smaller companies-nowadays those companies would be on streaming). It's like trying to make a film in the lobby of the UN.
And their disdain for European culture-- ironic--the culture that developed film technology is treated like a pariah--doesn't help because much of the time when people say "I wish film was more like 1960" they mean they wish it was more focused, more homogeneous etc.
There's no hope for the big six media companies changing. Not unless they sell or break up.
Smaller companies are the only solution but even the ones that claim to be devoid of propaganda are just peddling their own type based on the plot summaries I have seen.
The Daily Wire films are like that. The one with Gina Carano--where they are fighting Confederates (white supremacists) in the Wild West.
They have to get rid of basic impairments to storytelling like "the male protagonist must be weak or fail or require a UN support team to succeed.). A Fistful Of Dollars could not be made under that rule because the protagonist--while having some help, is still too independent for the corporate philosophy. And the fact that he was fighting to reunite a Mexican family would be seen as a white savior trope now too. You just cannot win with multicultural tokenism. Someone is always offended.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 14, 2024 20:51:53 GMT
That is a hyperbole not even worth taking seriously.
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Post by kolchak92 on Apr 14, 2024 21:10:05 GMT
Wait I don’t quite understand, so The Force Awakens was crappy, why is he taking it out on other movies? Like I don’t understand what his point is.
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 14, 2024 21:21:48 GMT
Sounds like otterloopb is missing out, and all because his favorite fictional character died. Not exactly someone whose comments I’d use to “sum up” anything - unless you’re talking about pathetic man-children.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 14, 2024 21:41:35 GMT
2023 was one more successful movie away from being one of the best years for movies this century. It ended up becoming a bit of a Barbenheimer-then-everything-else year, but there were plenty of excellent movies and surprise hits.
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Post by claudius on Apr 14, 2024 22:45:48 GMT
To be sure, novastar, TRANSFORMERS THE MOVIE flopped at the box office, not even reaching a million. Some would say killing off Prime, Ironhide, Prowl, and several others caused a backlash that hurt its performance.
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Post by vegalyra on Apr 15, 2024 2:19:48 GMT
Post-Modern culture sucks.
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