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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 22, 2017 23:40:07 GMT
I really think so. The X-Verse has been going since 2000, nearly 20 years now, and unfortunately it's never really had a strong direction.
I think they should take the ideas they have yet to use, including a full version of the Phoenix Saga, and start over with a clear concise direction that includes the many side characters and teams like Cable, X-Factor, Gambit, and others that they haven't taken advantage of yet. Really build it up with a clear long term goal, and maybe even use Deadpool to help with the transition. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 0:56:46 GMT
I'm not sure it's entirely necessarily. I like the young cast from Apocalypse. McAvoy is a good Xavier. Just introduce some new characters and run with that.
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Post by DarkManX on Feb 23, 2017 19:20:59 GMT
If they reboot they have to not only fire Bryan Singer, but they have to make it so that Wolverine, Magneto, and William Stryker cannot make any appearances until the tenth or twelfth films. This way they can have actual X-Men movies along with other villains and storylines.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 24, 2017 4:04:12 GMT
I'm not sure it's entirely necessarily. I like the young cast from Apocalypse. McAvoy is a good Xavier. Just introduce some new characters and run with that. It's just not going anywhere. It feels like one random film after another, and it really doesn't matter if the film is good or not, it doesn't feel like it matters. The next film doesn't enhance the last like the MCU films do. Seriously, go back and the key phase 1 and 2 films after watching Civil War. It's incredible to see the slow build of descent against the Avengers, or even little things like Banner and Widow's relationship in Avengers.
I'd rather they start over and build to something. Create X-Force and X-Caliber franchises beside Cable, new Wolverine, and Gambit films.
Build up to Fatal Attractions. Build up to Fitzroy. Build up to Sinister. Build up to House of M. Build up to Messiah Complex.
But don't just keep doing a random next film.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 24, 2017 4:09:15 GMT
If they reboot they have to not only fire Bryan Singer, but they have to make it so that Wolverine, Magneto, and William Stryker cannot make any appearances until the tenth or twelfth films. This way they can have actual X-Men movies along with other villains and storylines. They really don't need Magneto or Stryker, but they can still bring in Wolverine at some point.
They have plenty of stories from House of M, Messiah Complex, Fitzroy, Sinister, Onslaught, Asteroid M, Fatal Attractions, The Brood, Dark Phoenix, etc.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 24, 2017 4:09:45 GMT
I'm not sure it's entirely necessarily. I like the young cast from Apocalypse. McAvoy is a good Xavier. Just introduce some new characters and run with that. It's just not going anywhere. It feels like one random film after another, and it really doesn't matter if the film is good or not, it doesn't feel like it matters. The next film doesn't enhance the last like the MCU films do. Seriously, go back and the key phase 1 and 2 films after watching Civil War. It's incredible to see the slow build of descent against the Avengers, or even little things like Banner and Widow's relationship in Avengers.
I'd rather they start over and build to something. Create X-Force and X-Caliber franchises beside Cable, new Wolverine, and Gambit films.
Build up to Fatal Attractions. Build up to Fitzroy. Build up to Sinister. Build up to House of M. Build up to Messiah Complex. Build up to Dark Phoenix.
But don't just keep doing a random next film.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:32:08 GMT
I'm not sure it's entirely necessarily. I like the young cast from Apocalypse. McAvoy is a good Xavier. Just introduce some new characters and run with that. It's just not going anywhere. It feels like one random film after another, and it really doesn't matter if the film is good or not, it doesn't feel like it matters. The next film doesn't enhance the last like the MCU films do. Seriously, go back and the key phase 1 and 2 films after watching Civil War. It's incredible to see the slow build of descent against the Avengers, or even little things like Banner and Widow's relationship in Avengers.
I'd rather they start over and build to something. Create X-Force and X-Caliber franchises beside Cable, new Wolverine, and Gambit films.
Build up to Fatal Attractions. Build up to Fitzroy. Build up to Sinister. Build up to House of M. Build up to Messiah Complex.
But don't just keep doing a random next film.
I don't need these movies building to something bigger. That gets tiring. I'm already starting to get bored of the MCU. Just get Thanos off his lazy ass already. I just want good movies. And since FC, I feel like Fox has been giving us that (especially with DoFP, Deadpool, and probably Logan). No need for a reboot. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 24, 2017 16:07:19 GMT
I don't need these movies building to something bigger. That gets tiring. I'm already starting to get bored of the MCU. Just get Thanos off his lazy ass already. I just want good movies. And since FC, I feel like Fox has been giving us that (especially with DoFP, Deadpool, and probably Logan). No need for a reboot. It doesn't get tiring to me. What gets tiring is when they don't build to anything and feel pretty much pointless. The MCU is the next level. It's adding significance to every film, because every film is part of a whole and not just good on it's own. That's why it excels in a way nothing else does. You're pretty much missing the entire point. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:10:43 GMT
The MCU is just a big TV show that releases movies instead of episodes. That's fine if you like it. I like it too. But when I go to the movies, I'd rather just watch one good MOVIE and not just a longer episode of a big TV show.
I'd rather see Fox continue to push the boundaries of what superhero movies can be (like they're doing with Deadpool and Logan). Leave the serial crap to Marvel.
Diversity is good. We don't need everything to be the same.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 17:16:43 GMT
Marvel would never give us Deadpool, so no.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 26, 2017 6:59:45 GMT
The MCU is just a big TV show that releases movies instead of episodes. That's fine if you like it. I like it too. But when I go to the movies, I'd rather just watch one good MOVIE and not just a longer episode of a big TV show. I'd rather see Fox continue to push the boundaries of what superhero movies can be (like they're doing with Deadpool and Logan). Leave the serial crap to Marvel. Diversity is good. We don't need everything to be the same. Deadpool was fun, but saying it "pushed boundaries" is a bit of a reach. Also Apocalypse? That wasn't exactly premier filmmaking, and neither was the last Wolverine film.
The problem I honestly think is that a long term vision would keep them focused. Just making a new film, no matter how great, leaves you not knowing where to go after, and as a consequence nothing feels like it matters to the next thing, or anything before it.
No matter how great each film is, that leaves something to be desired if you ask me, and let's be honest, most films are not all time greats and we shouldn't expect them to be. That's why imbuing them with a greater sense of purpose adds so much to the whole, and all it takes is planning, and staying on schedule.
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Post by sanddragon939 on Feb 26, 2017 9:04:51 GMT
Arguably, we've already been following a 'reboot' of sorts since First Class. DOFP was kinda like a 'crossover' between the reboot universe and the original trilogy which ended by making the 'reboot' status of these films official (in a way that still links them to the originals). Apocalypse was basically the true X-men origin story for the 'reboot'-verse.
Yes, things are a bit 'messy' in the sense that it seems there are a bunch of franchises going on at the same time. I don't necessarily think that's a problem though. Its kinda the way the comics operate - multiple timelines, independent standalone stories set in distinct corners of the whole, alternate versions of characters and events etc.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 26, 2017 15:49:46 GMT
Yes, things are a bit 'messy' in the sense that it seems there are a bunch of franchises going on at the same time. I don't necessarily think that's a problem though. Its kinda the way the comics operate - multiple timelines, independent standalone stories set in distinct corners of the whole, alternate versions of characters and events etc. its ok for sure, just not ideal |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Feb 27, 2017 4:46:28 GMT
It would probably be a stupid business move at this point.
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