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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 5:18:35 GMT
I already explained that to Iron Panther in another thread, but Iron Panther is too dumb to understand that. As long as killing can be avoided and you dont its murder. No matter if its war or not. She didnt need to cross No Mans Land. So my conclusion is that the main three heroes of the DCEU are all killers. Nice franchise. Like I've explained to you before, being a killer isn't the same as being a murderer. For example, Superman killing Zod to save the lives of the family in the train station is justifiable homicide and isn't murder. It's no different than a bank robber threatening to kill a hostage and a cop shoots and kills the bank robber before he can kill the hostage. It's justifiable homicide.
And killing the other side's soldiers in a battle isn't murder either. Like Colonel Hannibal Smith said "We were at war. They killed us. We killed them. That's what you do in war."
But at least 3 of main heroes (Captain America, Hulk, and Black Widow) in MCU are murderers. Also, by aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, Captain America can also be charged as a accessory to those 2 murders after the fact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 6:30:16 GMT
As long as killing can be avoided and you dont its murder. No matter if its war or not. She didnt need to cross No Mans Land. So my conclusion is that the main three heroes of the DCEU are all killers. Nice franchise. Like I've explained to you before, being a killer isn't the same as being a murderer. For example, Superman killing Zod to save the lives of the family in the train station is justifiable homicide and isn't murder. It's no different than a bank robber threatening to kill a hostage and a cop shoots and kills the bank robber before he can kill the hostage. It's justifiable homicide.
And killing the other side's soldiers in a battle isn't murder either. Like Colonel Hannibal Smith said "We were at war. They killed us. We killed them. That's what you do in war."
But at least 3 of main heroes (Captain America, Hulk, and Black Widow) in MCU are murderers. Also, by aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the authorities, Captain America can also be charged as a accessory to those 2 murders after the fact.
Blah blah. Those kills could have been avoided and that makes it murder.
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Post by damngumby on Sept 23, 2017 10:52:16 GMT
Soldiers are granted permission to kill by the nation they fight for. Who they can kill and under what circumstances is also dictated by the legal authority of their country.
Wonder Woman was a civilian from a country that had not declared war on Germany. She waltzed into a battle zone and started indiscriminately killing Germans who were trying to defend themselves from her aggression. If captured by the Germans she would not have been treated like a lawful enemy soldier. She was an unlawful combatant and she would probably have been executed. If given the opportunity, she would have also been arrested by the military police of the Allied side and shipped off to a prison cell somewhere.
In a time of war, the one thing that all sides could agree on is that Wonder Woman had no business being there and her killings were unlawful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 11:14:51 GMT
Soldiers are granted permission to kill by the nation they fight for. Who they can kill and under what circumstances is also dictated by the legal authority of their country. Wonder Woman was a civilian from a country that had not declared war on Germany. She waltzed into a battle zone and started indiscriminately killing Germans who were trying to defend themselves from her aggression. If captured by the Germans she would not have been treated like a lawful enemy soldier. She was an unlawful combatant and she would probably have been executed. If given the opportunity, she would have also been arrested by the military police of the Allied side and shipped off to a prison cell somewhere. In a time of war, the one thing that all sides could agree on is that Wonder Woman had no business being there and her killings were unlawful. Excellent post. DC-Fan just got owned
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 23, 2017 12:20:59 GMT
I already explained that to Iron Panther in another thread, but Iron Panther is too dumb to understand that. As long as killing can be avoided and you dont its murder. No matter if its war or not. She didnt need to cross No Mans Land. So my conclusion is that the main three heroes of the DCEU are all killers. Nice franchise. The heroes of the MCU are killers too, do you hate them too?
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Post by dazz on Sept 23, 2017 12:32:55 GMT
As long as killing can be avoided and you dont its murder. No matter if its war or not. She didnt need to cross No Mans Land. So my conclusion is that the main three heroes of the DCEU are all killers. Nice franchise. The heroes of the MCU are killers too, do you hate them too? I was gonna say aren't all the Avengers murderer's also by this logic?
Well except Vision unless you consider obliterating Ultron as murder also, otherwise the only guy in he MCU who isn't a killer is Spidey.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 14:01:16 GMT
I already explained that to Iron Panther in another thread, but Iron Panther is too dumb to understand that. As long as killing can be avoided and you dont its murder. No matter if its war or not. She didnt need to cross No Mans Land. So my conclusion is that the main three heroes of the DCEU are all killers. Nice franchise. The Phantom
The Crow
Witchblade
Spawn
Razor
Faust
Red Sonja
The Mask
Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El
Supergirl/Linda Danvers
Vampirella
Hack/Slash
Wolverine
Fathom
The Black Canary
The Spectre
Darkchylde
Red Hood
Elektra
Namor
Green Arrow
Painkiller Jane
The Huntress
Aphrodite IX
Blade
Lady Blackhawk
Black Panther
Spider-Woman
Shanna the She Devil
Strix
Raven
The Magdalena
Hellboy
Avengelyne
Mercy Thompson
Soulfire
Nancy In Hell
The Punisher
Hellina
Shi
Ghost Rider
Wynonna Earp
Vampblade
Purgatori
Cyblade
Swamp Thing
Monstress
The Darkness
Belladonna
Moon Knight
Elsa Bloodstone
Deadman
Lady Death
The Ravening
Saga
Fallen Angel
Miss Furry
Rogues!
Red Fury
Lady Pendragon
Insexts
Rat Queens
Prophecy
Cyberforce
Eva
Lobo
Danger Girl
The 10th Muse
Terror Inc
Jennifer Blood
Savage Dragon
Jenny Sparks
No offence but really? All of those superheroes above kill villains and some of them not only kill villains but they slash them to pieces like the superhero, ‘Razor’ who has blood going everywhere while she is decapitating them and cutting their arms, legs and penises off. The idea that superheroes can’t murder villains is not only old fashioned but completely out of touch with reality ‘cause some villains need to be killed and if not they will just keep getting out again. That is actually one of the problems we have here with all these rapists being released like Adrian Bayley who murdered Jill Meagher 5 years ago yesterday and was talked about in the Sydney Morning Herald and with Adrian he was already in prison for raping and murdering 2 other women only 2 or 3 years before that and he was released early and went on to commit the same crime again. The no killing rule that DC used to have cost them Spawn who went on to become the sixth biggest selling superhero of all time. Spawn was originally going to be a DC superhero and Todd McFarlane thought him up when he was working at DC but DC thought he was too violent at the time so Todd and other creators under DC and Marvel including Marc Silvistri who came up with 'Witchblade' while he was working for Marvel left and formed Image Comics.
A superhero that doesn't kill is lame. Killing is fun when it is done by the heroes.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 17:01:15 GMT
Soldiers are granted permission to kill by the nation they fight for. Who they can kill and under what circumstances is also dictated by the legal authority of their country. WRONG!!! Steve, Diana, and the rest of the team were given orders by Sir Patrick to find the poisonous gas and destroy it. So Steve, Diana, and the rest of the team did have legal authority from Sir Patrick, a leader in the British government and UK was at war with Germany.
Also, the fact that Diana isn't a British citizen or that Themyscira isn't at war with Germany is IRRELEVANT. During the American Revolutionary War, the British hired Hessians (German mercenaries or soldiers of fortune) to fight for them. Even though Germany wasn't at war with the Colonies, the Hessians had their legal authority to fight in the American Revolutionary War from King George. Likewise, Diana had her legal authority from Sir Patrick.Wonder Woman was a civilian from a country that had not declared war on Germany. She waltzed into a battle zone and started indiscriminately killing Germans who were trying to defend themselves from her aggression. If captured by the Germans she would not have been treated like a lawful enemy soldier. She was an unlawful combatant and she would probably have been executed. If given the opportunity, she would have also been arrested by the military police of the Allied side and shipped off to a prison cell somewhere. WRONG AGAIN!!! Whether or not Wonder Woman was a civilian or a soldier is IRRELEVANT! As Princess of Themyscira, Wonder Woman has diplomatic immunity. So once again, your argument is refuted.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 17:02:08 GMT
Soldiers are granted permission to kill by the nation they fight for. Who they can kill and under what circumstances is also dictated by the legal authority of their country. Wonder Woman was a civilian from a country that had not declared war on Germany. She waltzed into a battle zone and started indiscriminately killing Germans who were trying to defend themselves from her aggression. If captured by the Germans she would not have been treated like a lawful enemy soldier. She was an unlawful combatant and she would probably have been executed. If given the opportunity, she would have also been arrested by the military police of the Allied side and shipped off to a prison cell somewhere. In a time of war, the one thing that all sides could agree on is that Wonder Woman had no business being there and her killings were unlawful. Excellent post. DC-Fan just got owned Nope. I've just refuted King Kong Shady's argument so I own King Kong Shady and I own you too!
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 17:02:58 GMT
As long as killing can be avoided and you dont its murder. No matter if its war or not. She didnt need to cross No Mans Land. So my conclusion is that the main three heroes of the DCEU are all killers. Nice franchise. The heroes of the MCU are killers too, do you hate them too? Iron Panther just got owned!
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 17:03:20 GMT
The heroes of the MCU are killers too, do you hate them too? I was gonna say aren't all the Avengers murderer's also by this logic?
Well except Vision unless you consider obliterating Ultron as murder also, otherwise the only guy in he MCU who isn't a killer is Spidey.
Iron Panther just got owned!
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 17:04:31 GMT
As long as killing can be avoided and you dont its murder. No matter if its war or not. She didnt need to cross No Mans Land. So my conclusion is that the main three heroes of the DCEU are all killers. Nice franchise. The Phantom
The Crow
Witchblade
Spawn
Razor
Faust
Red Sonja
The Mask
Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El
Supergirl/Linda Danvers
Vampirella
Hack/Slash
Wolverine
Fathom
The Black Canary
The Spectre
Darkchylde
Red Hood
Elektra
Namor
Green Arrow
Painkiller Jane
The Huntress
Aphrodite IX
Blade
Lady Blackhawk
Black Panther
Spider-Woman
Shanna the She Devil
Strix
Raven
The Magdalena
Hellboy
Avengelyne
Mercy Thompson
Soulfire
Nancy In Hell
The Punisher
Hellina
Shi
Ghost Rider
Wynonna Earp
Vampblade
Purgatori
Cyblade
Swamp Thing
Monstress
The Darkness
Belladonna
Moon Knight
Elsa Bloodstone
Deadman
Lady Death
The Ravening
Saga
Fallen Angel
Miss Furry
Rogues!
Red Fury
Lady Pendragon
Insexts
Rat Queens
Prophecy
Cyberforce
Eva
Lobo
Danger Girl
The 10th Muse
Terror Inc
Jennifer Blood
Savage Dragon
Jenny Sparks
No offence but really? All of those superheroes above kill villains and some of them not only kill villains but they slash them to pieces like the superhero, ‘Razor’ who has blood going everywhere while she is decapitating them and cutting their arms, legs and penises off. The idea that superheroes can’t murder villains is not only old fashioned but completely out of touch with reality ‘cause some villains need to be killed and if not they will just keep getting out again. That is actually one of the problems we have here with all these rapists being released like Adrian Bayley who murdered Jill Meagher 5 years ago yesterday and was talked about in the Sydney Morning Herald and with Adrian he was already in prison for raping and murdering 2 other women only 2 or 3 years before that and he was released early and went on to commit the same crime again. The no killing rule that DC used to have cost them Spawn who went on to become the sixth biggest selling superhero of all time. Spawn was originally going to be a DC superhero and Todd McFarlane thought him up when he was working at DC but DC thought he was too violent at the time so Todd and other creators under DC and Marvel including Marc Silvistri who came up with 'Witchblade' while he was working for Marvel left and formed Image Comics.
A superhero that doesn't kill is lame. Killing is fun when it is done by the heroes.
Also, Black Widow, Captain America, and Hulk are murderers.
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Post by dazz on Sept 23, 2017 18:12:16 GMT
Also, Black Widow, Captain America, and Hulk are murderers. Hulk would be a exception possibly depending on a technicality, such as do Chitauri count? if not hen Hulk is not a murderer as Hulk is the only Avenger we have seen go out of his way not to kill, he let Abomination live and he just beat up Loki, he's killed but not murdered as he's never shown the intent to kill another person.
Black Panther so far is not a killer but he may have killed and we don't know or he could kill in his own movie, but so far the only guy we know for sure has never killed is the wall crawling son of a gun Spider-Man.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 18:17:31 GMT
Hulk would be a exception possibly depending on a technicality, such as do Chitauri count? if not hen Hulk is not a murderer as Hulk is the only Avenger we have seen go out of his way not to kill, he let Abomination live and he just beat up Loki, he's killed but not murdered as he's never shown the intent to kill another person. Hulk murdered several US soldiers in The Incredible Hulk. Black Panther so far is not a killer but he may have killed and we don't know or he could kill in his own movie Don't know about Black Panther yet, but I said Black Widow. She was trained and worked as an assassin for SHIELD so she has murdered plenty of times before.
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Post by dazz on Sept 23, 2017 18:35:21 GMT
Hulk would be a exception possibly depending on a technicality, such as do Chitauri count? if not hen Hulk is not a murderer as Hulk is the only Avenger we have seen go out of his way not to kill, he let Abomination live and he just beat up Loki, he's killed but not murdered as he's never shown the intent to kill another person. Hulk murdered several US soldiers in The Incredible Hulk. Black Panther so far is not a killer but he may have killed and we don't know or he could kill in his own movie Don't know about Black Panther yet, but I said Black Widow. She was trained and worked as an assassin for SHIELD so she has murdered plenty of times before. I just remembered the opening of Ultron where there is no doubt the intent is to kill Hydra dead, so my argument that in Hulk he doesn't go around trying to kill people is pointless, yeah Hulks murdered before.
Like I said they have all killed except Spidey and maybe Vision, but not all those who have killed have murdered, I mean Doctor's kill people all the time but few actually murder people.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 19:05:52 GMT
Hulk murdered several US soldiers in The Incredible Hulk. Don't know about Black Panther yet, but I said Black Widow. She was trained and worked as an assassin for SHIELD so she has murdered plenty of times before. Like I said they have all killed except Spidey and maybe Vision, but not all those who have killed have murdered, I mean Doctor's kill people all the time but few actually murder people.
Yep, that's what I've explained to Iron Panther many times but Iron Panther is too dumb to understand it. Killing isn't murder when it's justifiable homicide. For example, Superman killing Zod to save the family in the train station is justifiable homicide and isn't murder. It's no different than a bank robber threatening to kill a hostage and a copy shoots and kills the bank robber before the bank robber can harm the hostage. That's justifiable homicide and isn't murder. But Black Panther is too dumb to understand that. And killing the other side's soldiers in a battle isn't murder. But Iron Panther is too dumb to understand that.
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Post by damngumby on Sept 24, 2017 1:22:51 GMT
Uh ... no.
Sr. Patrick Morgan was also operating without authorization, and Wonder Woman and her boy-toy knew it. If caught, the British would have thrown him in prison along with the others.
Uh ... no.
Great Britain would never grant diplomatic immunity to someone who claimed to be a princess from an invisible nation that no one had heard of.
Once again, you're wrong on every count, Ace. I sure hope you didn't make a fool of yourself by celebrating too soon, before I destroyed your arguments in just three sentences.
Q E D
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Post by damngumby on Sept 25, 2017 0:31:16 GMT
Uh ... no. Sr. Patrick Morgan was also operating without authorization, and Wonder Woman and her boy-toy knew it. If caught, the British would have thrown him in prison along with the others. Uh ... no. Great Britain would never grant diplomatic immunity to someone who claimed to be a princess from an invisible nation that no one had heard of. Once again, you're wrong on every count, Ace. I sure hope you didn't make a fool of yourself by celebrating too soon, before I destroyed your arguments in just three sentences. Q E D D.C.-Fan taps out again!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 17:55:37 GMT
FYI
I dont mind DCEU heroes being murderers. Hell I understand it happens. Only some hypocrite here was making a lot of fuzz about Captain America killing Strucker (which actually didnt happen) and when I asked hin about Batman shooting people from a distance in the back he fell silent. I think Wonder Woman is a decent film. Its flawed and had plotholes. Especially if you follow the hypocrites logic. I am basically only trying to get him annoyed.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 16, 2018 1:30:36 GMT
I still think that this is what made Wonder Woman a better film.
Strip that away and it's just any ordinary comic book movie.
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