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Post by geode on Jun 16, 2017 11:06:21 GMT
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A 12 year old Mormon girl is cut off when she comes out in a church meeting. I posted some comments elsewhere about this, what do you think?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 16, 2017 11:15:00 GMT
Makes sense.
That was not the time or place to come out.
If the meeting was based on confessions, then I suppose it could have been the right place.
However, if the Mormon Church thinks being gay is wrong, there is no reason for them to encourage someone to continue talking about it.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jun 16, 2017 11:20:49 GMT
I think Mormons are stupid.
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Post by thefleetsin on Jun 16, 2017 13:40:27 GMT
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A 12 year old Mormon girl is cut off when she comes out in a church meeting. I posted some comments elsewhere about this, what do you think? why is she bothering to be seen in the same building with those imbeciles? unless she was brainwashed as a small child and thinks she doing something noble by placating a spirit entity father figure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 14:12:04 GMT
I think Mormons are stupid. Do you think Muslims are stupid, SlimeySam?
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 16, 2017 14:31:43 GMT
tpfkar Insofar as they believe in the Great Hoodoo in the Sky, sure. Does a banana have a brain and organs too? Yet it shares roughly the same % of DNA to us as a Fruit Fly. The evidence discredits itself.
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Post by Marv on Jun 16, 2017 18:24:25 GMT
Makes the people who cut her off jerks but not much more. I probably agree that it probably wasn't the best time or place to come out but I feel like doing that is probably hard enough as it is that I won't fault her for it. I'm sure she felt relief getting it out there so ultimately it's a good thing even if it was met with attempts to silence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 21:45:44 GMT
It's their club, they are free to treat their members however they like.
And, of course, everyone else is free to judge them for the heartless bastards that they so clearly are.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 16, 2017 22:01:19 GMT
tpfkar Insofar as they believe in the Great Hoodoo in the Sky, sure. Does a banana have a brain and organs too? Yet it shares roughly the same % of DNA to us as a Fruit Fly. The evidence discredits itself.Failing to fulfill Cody's need for a cartoon progressive is like pouring salt on a thirsty slug.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 22:07:02 GMT
tpfkar Insofar as they believe in the Great Hoodoo in the Sky, sure. Does a banana have a brain and organs too? Yet it shares roughly the same % of DNA to us as a Fruit Fly. The evidence discredits itself.Failing to fulfill Cody's need for a cartoon progressive is like pouring salt on a thirsty slug. I think islam is nonsense and every single muslim in the world is, to one extent or another, delusional. I also think that it lends itself more easily than most religions to being interpreted in such a way so as to encourage violence. And yet, because I don't blame individual muslims for things that they didn't do, idiot christians are constantly telling me that I am a muslim apologist who is frightened to criticise them. It's really weird. But then, one would have to be generous to expect consistency from people whose major philosophy is a delusion, I suppose.
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Post by geode on Jun 17, 2017 10:40:04 GMT
CUT OFF COMING OUT
A 12 year old Mormon girl is cut off when she comes out in a church meeting. I posted some comments elsewhere about this, what do you think? why is she bothering to be seen in the same building with those imbeciles? unless she was brainwashed as a small child and thinks she doing something noble by placating a spirit entity father figure. My guess is that she was born into a Mormon family and this religion is this only one that she has known.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jun 17, 2017 11:40:50 GMT
I think Mormons are stupid. Do you think Muslims are stupid, SlimeySam? Oh, here's where Cody got it from, I completely forgot about that flippant comment. Cody takes me seriously.. I'll try to remember that. Taking people on an anonymous message board seriously = a sure sign of mental impairment.
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Post by Morgana on Jun 17, 2017 11:41:42 GMT
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A 12 year old Mormon girl is cut off when she comes out in a church meeting. I posted some comments elsewhere about this, what do you think? I agree with what CoolJGS said. It wasn't the right place to do that, unless her hope was to cause a stir, which it seems she did.
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Post by captainbryce on Jun 17, 2017 14:12:26 GMT
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A 12 year old Mormon girl is cut off when she comes out in a church meeting. I posted some comments elsewhere about this, what do you think? It's exactly what one should expect to happen in a Mormon church. That anyone would expect something different would just make them ignorant as to what Mormonism is (a homophobic cult).
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Post by geode on Jun 17, 2017 15:25:22 GMT
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A 12 year old Mormon girl is cut off when she comes out in a church meeting. I posted some comments elsewhere about this, what do you think? This is a troubling story in terms of what occurred. As a Mormon I attended 100s of Fast and Testimony meetings in the past, and as such I am confused about some of the details offered here. Savannah's Stake President was at the meeting yet it is said in the video that his 1st counselor was presiding. This would not be the case if the Stake President was present. Why was the Stake President present and not her bishop? In all of those meetings I never once saw anyone speak from notes. It simply goes against the intent of these meetings, which is to speak from the heart. In a typical meeting there will be inappropriate "testimonies" offered, sometimes mostly travelogues about vacation trips, or something else off topic about personal experiences. A proper testimony tells of one's faith in Christ and His gospel. Savannah was basically giving a politicized address about theology. The phrase that probably prompted her being cut off was her basically advocating same gender marriage. All in all her speech wasn't appropriate for the intent and purpose of these meetings. Having said that, I would have let her finish if I had been the one presiding over the meeting. Then I would have gotten up myself, and given something along the line of the words that did indeed follow from the one directed to speak. I probably would feel I was falling down in my duty to not include something about current LDS theology and policy. This church has something called "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" which is soundly in favor of marriage only being accepted by God between a man and a woman. Savannah outlined a future that would bring her at odds with her church and very likely lead to her excommunication. Although I do not agree with that happening it is the current reality. The presiding officer was placed in a difficult position. Savannah had already crossed the line in terms of what is officially accepted, where would she go if she continued? He decided to not find out. It is a tough call, I have seen my own bishop or his counselors struggle when somebody started out speaking "false doctrine" or advocating behavior not acceptable to the church. Another observation. At the age of 12 I would not have been able to definitively state that I was straight. Maybe Savannah knows about her own sexuality to a great if extent than I did at her age. I have an impression that her mother wrote most of her speech. It was given as some sort of agenda and actually included another controversial point, that of the Mother in Heaven. No Mormon at the age of 12 would have included that part about "heavenly parents"...my guess is that her mother is somewhat of a feminist and the real motivator. I also have never seen anybody do a video capture of anyone giving a testimony, but I guess this might have changed with so many smart phones out there. I am in favor of moderating some of the LDS attitudes and beliefs about LGBT people. Savannah actually did not really go against church beliefs per se, except the part about marriage, where she got into trouble was giving more of a lecture than a testimony. It was heavy-handed and not at all deft. Once again I think much of it is not her own work. If she had given more of a standard testimony and then included that Christ showed love to all people, including those born as she was, attracted to the same gender, followed about a need to give support to all the children of our Heavenly Father (not heavenly parents), she would have made her point and also made it to the end of her testimony without being interrupted. However, her ending that she never reached was not properly Mormon. She had a prepared text, so it was not inadvertent to make the mistake at the end. All Mormons are instructed at a far earlier age than 12 to say, "In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen" and not just "Amen" as she did. I think I detect a possible non-Mormon hand in the writing as well.
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Post by geode on Jun 17, 2017 15:27:51 GMT
CUT OFF COMING OUT
A 12 year old Mormon girl is cut off when she comes out in a church meeting. I posted some comments elsewhere about this, what do you think? I agree with what CoolJGS said. It wasn't the right place to do that, unless her hope was to cause a stir, which it seems she did. I think it may have been the main intent, perhaps more the agenda of her mother,
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jun 17, 2017 15:28:02 GMT
I almost joined the LDS church once, thinking the pamphlet said 'LSD church'.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 17, 2017 18:20:36 GMT
I'm not exactly sure what Mormon's stances are on LGBT issues, but I'm guessing not particularly favorable. If that's the case, I'm not sure what she was expecting. I would recommend leaving religion in general or at least joining a liberal Episcopalian church, but it looks like she's only 12 so she probably doesn't have much of a choice.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Jun 17, 2017 18:34:18 GMT
I almost joined the LDS church once, thinking the pamphlet said 'LSD church'. At least your visions could be explained.
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Post by geode on Jun 18, 2017 12:08:30 GMT
I'm not exactly sure what Mormon's stances are on LGBT issues, but I'm guessing not particularly favorable. If that's the case, I'm not sure what she was expecting. I would recommend leaving religion in general or at least joining a liberal Episcopalian church, but it looks like she's only 12 so she probably doesn't have much of a choice. I would judge the LDS position as not particularly favorable though some progress has been made over the years. They once advocated "aversion therapy" to cure gay people, or marriage to somebody of the opposite sex to turn them in "proper" directions. Needless to say this just caused people hurt. Their stance was that people are all born heterosexual, and so can be directed back that way. Their present stance is one where gay people will be fully accepted as long as they are celibate, the same as single straight people. They consider sex outside of marriage to be sinful. However, they do not allow gay people to marry. Rhetoric was thawing until a couple of years ago when new guidelines came out naming anybody in a same gender marriage as an apostate, and restricting children of same gender married couples from church ordinances including baptism. Thousands left the church over this change.
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