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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:19:57 GMT
DoFP is one of my favorite superhero movies of all time. FC is great, and I loved Apocalypse as well (even though that was a more divisive movie than the others).
I'm very happy that Fox is controlling X-Men. They get to try some new things with the franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 18:21:31 GMT
I'm excited for all of them. Except for X-Men: Supernova. Simply because I'm not as invested in the younger cast and I'm tired of the period piece settings.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 25, 2017 3:42:10 GMT
With Legion and Logan getting universal acclaim, Deadpool 2 and X-Men: The New Mutants ready for filming this year, the universe continues to expand and gets better. I cannot wait for more news of X-Force and X-Men: Supernova. I'm liking Legion because it's not attached to the movies. Only thing is that it looks like they changed his character. Hoping that's just starting out and he becomes the Legion of the comics. His name is Legion for a reason... They also said it would be different from the movies and just became the movies... (The school) And even though I'm liking Legion, universal acclaim is a bit much.
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Post by flasuss on Feb 26, 2017 2:22:11 GMT
And even though I'm liking Legion, universal acclaim is a bit much. There's not a single negative review at Metacritic...
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 26, 2017 6:09:08 GMT
With Legion and Logan getting universal acclaim, Deadpool 2 and X-Men: The New Mutants ready for filming this year, the universe continues to expand and gets better. I cannot wait for more news of X-Force and X-Men: Supernova. The only thing is it never really builds to anything. What are we supposed to be anticipating? They're decent to solid movies, but really, what was Logan's story arc? Where is this heading? Do we even care about the new Jean Grey or Scott, or anybody else?
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 26, 2017 15:57:22 GMT
And even though I'm liking Legion, universal acclaim is a bit much. There's not a single negative review at Metacritic... And this means what? Some critics saying they like the series doesn't mean that everyone likes it.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 1, 2017 1:21:48 GMT
The problem I have with Fox is they don't really know how to make a good X-men movie. They can make a good Deadpool movie. Seems they can make a good Wolverine movie. They can even make a good Xavier and Magneto movie. But everytime you put the other X-men characters into the movie they always end up butchering them. They keep messing up Cyclops and Storm. Apocalypse was ridiculous. Rogue was completely different. Jean Grey was meh. And look at their new Gambit movie.
Unfortunately, as much as I loved their take on Deadpool (and let's be frank, that was mostly Reynolds driving that boat) and what seems to be a a great looking Wolverine movie, I just don't have faith that they can properly handle an ensemble movie. And the X-men (and X-factor) are supposed to be ensemble movies. If all they can do is make a good solo film every few years then they are completely wasting the vast gallery of heroes they have rights to. Until the time that Fox proves they can handle a good superhero ensemble movie then I don't think they deserve the rights to X-men or F4.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 1, 2017 1:58:49 GMT
The problem with the X-Men movies that are actually supposed to be about the X-Men, as opposed to those other side-movies like Deadpool and Logan, is Bryan Singer.
He admits he doesn't like comics and didn't think much of the X-Men to start off with. And that apathy has transferred to the movies. He only wants to tell stories about the characters he likes, and the ones he likes aren't most of the X-Men.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 1, 2017 2:07:59 GMT
The problem I have with Fox is they don't really know how to make a good X-men movie. They can make a good Deadpool movie. Seems they can make a good Wolverine movie. They can even make a good Xavier and Magneto movie. But everytime you put the other X-men characters into the movie they always end up butchering them. See, that sucks for you, insofar as it's a completely subjective statement. I -- on the other hand -- think they've made five (arguably even six) good X-Men movies, two to four of which are fairly solid as standalone films for casual or non-fans. Sorry you haven't cared for the franchise/series thus far. Maybe you'll like Supernova better than the previous installments if you choose to check it out.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 1, 2017 2:57:59 GMT
He admits he doesn't like comics and didn't think much of the X-Men to start off with. And that apathy has transferred to the movies. He only wants to tell stories about the characters he likes, and the ones he likes aren't most of the X-Men. Source? Because in the interviews I've read he says that he grew to love the X-Men comics over time.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 1, 2017 19:10:56 GMT
The problem I have with Fox is they don't really know how to make a good X-men movie. They can make a good Deadpool movie. Seems they can make a good Wolverine movie. They can even make a good Xavier and Magneto movie. But everytime you put the other X-men characters into the movie they always end up butchering them. See, that sucks for you, insofar as it's a completely subjective statement. I -- on the other hand -- think they've made five (arguably even six) good X-Men movies, two to four of which are fairly solid as standalone films for casual or non-fans. Sorry you haven't cared for the franchise/series thus far. Maybe you'll like Supernova better than the previous installments if you choose to check it out. That's not just my own subjective opinion, that's an opinion shared by a number of critics, comicbook fans and general viewing audiences. I never said they don't make good movies (though I could definitely argue that point), I said they don't make good X-men movies. Take for example X2. I consider that a good movie, not a good X-men movie. It focused pretty much on Wolverine and Xavier, and bit of Magneto. Everyone else was relegated to the sidelines. The X-men isn't just comprised of 1 or 2 individuals, the X-men is a team. So for you to make a good X-men movie, you need to be able to create a good team movie. The closest they got to that was First Class, maybe DOFP. Everything else has pretty much been focused on individuals and you never really feel like it's a team movie. Here's a question for you: Can you honestly say that these X-men movies handled majority of the characters properly?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 1, 2017 19:29:57 GMT
See, that sucks for you, insofar as it's a completely subjective statement. I -- on the other hand -- think they've made five (arguably even six) good X-Men movies, two to four of which are fairly solid as standalone films for casual or non-fans. Sorry you haven't cared for the franchise/series thus far. Maybe you'll like Supernova better than the previous installments if you choose to check it out. That's not just my own subjective opinion, that's an opinion shared by a number of critics, comicbook fans and general viewing audiences. I never said they don't make good movies (though I could definitely argue that point), I said they don't make good X-men movies. Take for example X2. I consider that a good movie, not a good X-men movie. It focused pretty much on Wolverine and Xavier, and bit of Magneto. Everyone else was relegated to the sidelines. The X-men isn't just comprised of 1 or 2 individuals, the X-men is a team. So for you to make a good X-men movie, you need to be able to create a good team movie. The closest they got to that was First Class, maybe DOFP. Everything else has pretty much been focused on individuals and you never really feel like it's a team movie. Here's a question for you: Can you honestly say that these X-men movies handled majority of the characters properly? No, because I've no idea what you're talking about, mang. Define "properly."
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 1, 2017 20:08:14 GMT
See, that sucks for you, insofar as it's a completely subjective statement. I -- on the other hand -- think they've made five (arguably even six) good X-Men movies, two to four of which are fairly solid as standalone films for casual or non-fans. Sorry you haven't cared for the franchise/series thus far. Maybe you'll like Supernova better than the previous installments if you choose to check it out. That's not just my own subjective opinion, that's an opinion shared by a number of critics, comicbook fans and general viewing audiences. I never said they don't make good movies (though I could definitely argue that point), I said they don't make good X-men movies. Take for example X2. I consider that a good movie, not a good X-men movie. It focused pretty much on Wolverine and Xavier, and bit of Magneto. Everyone else was relegated to the sidelines. The X-men isn't just comprised of 1 or 2 individuals, the X-men is a team. So for you to make a good X-men movie, you need to be able to create a good team movie. The closest they got to that was First Class, maybe DOFP. Everything else has pretty much been focused on individuals and you never really feel like it's a team movie. Here's a question for you: Can you honestly say that these X-men movies handled majority of the characters properly? And Nightcrawler, Storm, Jean, Iceman, Rogue, and Pyro. Its seems like you have rewatched that movie in a long time. First Class and DOFP focused on a few characters. Apocayplse like X2 also focused on several characters like Xavier, Magneto, Mystique, Jean, Cyclops, and Beast.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 1, 2017 23:05:03 GMT
He admits he doesn't like comics and didn't think much of the X-Men to start off with. And that apathy has transferred to the movies. He only wants to tell stories about the characters he likes, and the ones he likes aren't most of the X-Men. Source? Because in the interviews I've read he says that he grew to love the X-Men comics over time. He can say that, but the fact he keeps shafting the actual X-Men in favor of people like Mystique says otherwise.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 1, 2017 23:11:45 GMT
Source? Because in the interviews I've read he says that he grew to love the X-Men comics over time. He can say that, but the fact he keeps shafting the actual X-Men in favor of people like Mystique says otherwise. Shafting? Scott, Jean, and Hank got the same amount of screentime as her.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 1, 2017 23:20:07 GMT
He can say that, but the fact he keeps shafting the actual X-Men in favor of people like Mystique says otherwise. Shafting? Scott, Jean, and Hank got the same amount of screentime as her. But not prominence or importance. Hank's been around as long as Raven....but it's pretty obvious which of the two is the more important character and leads the movies.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 1, 2017 23:30:27 GMT
Shafting? Scott, Jean, and Hank got the same amount of screentime as her. But not prominence or importance. Hank's been around as long as Raven....but it's pretty obvious which of the two is the more important character and leads the movies. Actually, Jean has more importance to the plot since she is the one that takes down Apocalypse and the two having the same vision. She is also more proactive than Raven. Raven actually had little to do in the film.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 1, 2017 23:32:00 GMT
But not prominence or importance. Hank's been around as long as Raven....but it's pretty obvious which of the two is the more important character and leads the movies. Actually, Jean has more importance to the plot since she is the one that takes down Apocalypse and the two having the same vision. She is also more proactive than Raven. Raven actually had little to do in the film. No, that just makes Jean a plot device. Not a character. Raven got more prominence in the story as a character compared to Jean.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 1, 2017 23:53:23 GMT
Actually, Jean has more importance to the plot since she is the one that takes down Apocalypse and the two having the same vision. She is also more proactive than Raven. Raven actually had little to do in the film. No, that just makes Jean a plot device. Not a character. Raven got more prominence in the story as a character compared to Jean. Oh, lets talk about Jean as a character. According to Singer the core of the story was to show Xavier as a more optimistic person. www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/02/x-menas-professor-x-is-christ-and-apocalypse-is-a-false-godRemember X3? Now look at him in Apocalypse.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 1, 2017 23:55:32 GMT
So once again, Singer shows he sees the other X-Men as mere satellites to Xavier. A character who ran his course back in the 80s.
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