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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 6:30:50 GMT
It's good first of all, I gave it a 7, which if you know anything about my scoring system a 9 is perfect and 10 is perfect plus your personal taste. 8 is extremely good. 7 is good, 6 is enjoyable, 5 is nothing special nothing terrible, 4 is not so good, 3 is bad, 2 is terrible, 1 is fucking awful, and 0 is the worst shit possible. For comparison I gave MOS a 4 for large sections of 5 and several moments of 3. But here's the thing, Not all that much happens in WW. She decides to go after Ares, they walk through a battle field, she finds him, the end. It's like there's no meat on the bone. Nothing to really carry forward or explore or reflect on in much of any way. It just is what it is. Compare that to First Avenger where you had all sorts of things to build on, from Shield to Hydra to Vibranium to the Tesseract to Peggy Carter to the Winter Soldier, and there was a lot of meat to explore in the future of the MCU. But the DCU isn't going to get any mileage out of anything they developed in WW. I think I heard the Amazons are going to be seen in a flashback in JL. Is that it? So without anything to build on, even though it is the best of the DCU films so far, it's not really all that relevant to anything that is going to happen later. Can you really see any Civil War types moments happening where it made a lot of the prior films better, happening to WW? I don't really see how.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 3, 2017 6:42:07 GMT
You seem a bit obsessed with WW, tbh. We get it, you didn't like it like other people did.
Setting up a thousand other movies does not make a movie great. it's ok if it does that, but it shouldn't be the purpose. I really like CA: TFA, but because it is a good movie, and part of the best MCU trilogy. i would have liked it just the same without the setup for other movies. just like you know, i don't like Antman, and i wouldn't like it even if it did setup the next 12 Avengers movies.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 3, 2017 13:38:49 GMT
BvS was an entire movie made to set up other stuff and it sucked. However, I do think WW is a TAD overrated. I really enjoyed it, but it is not groundbreaking in any way. Nothing against, most MCU movies aren't groundbreaking either. The movie was entertaining and that is it.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 3, 2017 13:48:56 GMT
WW is average at Best 6.5 or 7 to be Generous. Its not the first two Raimi Spider Films,Dark Knight,Avengers or even Watchman. Its better than BVS and SS but its not even better Cap 1 which is a personal fav of mine
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 13:52:22 GMT
You seem a bit obsessed with WW, tbh. We get it, you didn't like it like other people did. Setting up a thousand other movies does not make a movie great. it's ok if it does that, but it shouldn't be the purpose. I really like CA: TFA, but because it is a good movie, and part of the best MCU trilogy. i would have liked it just the same without the setup for other movies. just like you know, i don't like Antman, and i wouldn't like it even if it did setup the next 12 Avengers movies. I have to admit, if all other factors are equal, I find having those connections is a massive bonus. And for a film that is supposed to be related to a larger universe, not having them just feels lazy.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 13:53:24 GMT
WW is average at Best 6.5 or 7 to be Generous. Its not the first two Raimi Spider Films,Dark Knight,Avengers or even Watchman. Its better than BVS and SS but its not even better Cap 1 which is a personal fav of mine I actually agree with this. I think looking back, people will rewatch it and realize it's still good but there isn't all that much going on in it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 13:54:50 GMT
BvS was an entire movie made to set up other stuff and it sucked. However, I do think WW is a TAD overrated. I really enjoyed it, but it is not groundbreaking in any way. Nothing against, most MCU movies aren't groundbreaking either. The movie was entertaining and that is it. I actually agree and think that's what I was trying to get across, but I will add most MCU movies have more meat on the bone than WW. Groundbreaking isn't the point so much as just having more substance, and most MCU movies definitely have more substance than WW.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 3, 2017 13:56:04 GMT
time will tell. the 3rd arc of the film was heavily flawed but I really liked it overall and gal gadot and chris pine were just great. wonder woman had the plot twists I always wished Iron Man 1 and the winter solider had which is...don't make your villain way too obvious that over simplifies your story.
so far wonder woman gets an 8/10 from me.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 14:02:09 GMT
time will tell. the 3rd arc of the film was heavily flawed but I really liked it overall and gal gadot and chris pine were just great. wonder woman had the plot twists I always wished Iron Man 1 and the winter solider had which is...don't make your villain way too obvious that over simplifies your story. so far wonder woman gets an 8/10 from me. I like surprise villain twists, but the problem with this one was that it meant we were left with an almost video game villain with very little characterization. It's not as though his previous scenes added anything of value to his true character or his mission, and that is evident by the thought that they could have had any other character reveal themselves as Ares and it wouldn't have changed anything. And then he just has some random powers and it's impossible to tell if WW would have ever beaten him with her own power since she used his against him, a very odd choice. But I don't think making your villain obvious necessarily simplifies the story.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 3, 2017 14:05:49 GMT
You seem a bit obsessed with WW, tbh. We get it, you didn't like it like other people did. Setting up a thousand other movies does not make a movie great. it's ok if it does that, but it shouldn't be the purpose. I really like CA: TFA, but because it is a good movie, and part of the best MCU trilogy. i would have liked it just the same without the setup for other movies. just like you know, i don't like Antman, and i wouldn't like it even if it did setup the next 12 Avengers movies. I have to admit, if all other factors are equal, I find having those connections is a massive bonus. And for a film that is supposed to be related to a larger universe, not having them just feels lazy. I agree that those should be a bonus. A nice one if done right. But the movie shouldn't be praised or criticised based on that. I enjoyed WW without those very well. Considering it takes place in 1918 maybe it would have been a stretch to introduce them. It's just a good, enjoyable stand-alone picture. i'm not at all against other DCEU movies feeling more connected
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Post by sostie on Jul 3, 2017 14:08:52 GMT
The whole "love saves the day" bollocks didn't help a rather crappy last 10 minutes or so.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 14:24:33 GMT
I have to admit, if all other factors are equal, I find having those connections is a massive bonus. And for a film that is supposed to be related to a larger universe, not having them just feels lazy. I agree that those should be a bonus. A nice one if done right. But the movie shouldn't be praised or criticised based on that. I enjoyed WW without those very well. Considering it takes place in 1918 maybe it would have been a stretch to introduce them. It's just a good, enjoyable stand-alone picture. i'm not at all against other DCEU movies feeling more connected Of course it should be praised for that. These are films that are overtly intended to be intertwined. You can't just judge them completely in a vacuum and say those connections don't matter to the experience or to the quality of the execution of the film's intent.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 3, 2017 14:26:45 GMT
I agree that those should be a bonus. A nice one if done right. But the movie shouldn't be praised or criticised based on that. I enjoyed WW without those very well. Considering it takes place in 1918 maybe it would have been a stretch to introduce them. It's just a good, enjoyable stand-alone picture. i'm not at all against other DCEU movies feeling more connected Of course it should be praised for that. These are films that are overtly intended to be intertwined. You can't just judge them completely in a vacuum and say those connections don't matter to the experience or to the quality of the execution of the film's intent. nah, that's just bonus. it doesn't elevate the movie. nice bonuses, but that's it
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 14:33:43 GMT
nah, that's just bonus. it doesn't elevate the movie. nice bonuses, but that's it It certainly elevates the movie, which is why you had people after Civil War saying elements of that movie made the past movies better. That's exactly what they're talking about, the ongoing links and connective tissue with other films. I don't see how you could even say that strong connective elements in a series of films intended to connect, don't elevate a film in which you are supposed to be aware of those connections.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 3, 2017 14:39:49 GMT
I think it will hold up just fine in the same manner as Batman Begins or Iron Man 1 or the first two Spider-man movies. It's a comic book movie focused more on good old fashioned storytelling than world building. We've been spoiled so much by all these Easter eggs and tie-ins, it seems that a number of people have forgotten to just enjoy a film for what it is. It's a month old but I can name a few MCU films it's already better than.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 3, 2017 14:46:10 GMT
nah, that's just bonus. it doesn't elevate the movie. nice bonuses, but that's it It certainly elevates the movie, which is why you had people after Civil War saying elements of that movie made the past movies better. That's exactly what they're talking about, the ongoing links and connective tissue with other films. I don't see how you could even say that strong connective elements in a series of films intended to connect, don't elevate a film in which you are supposed to be aware of those connections. Don't know,as much as I like or love some MCU movies,civil war didn't make them better. And I really like civil war
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 15:01:41 GMT
Don't know,as much as I like or love some MCU movies,civil war didn't make them better. And I really like civil war Whether it did or didn't, the point remains, the people leaving saying it improved their enjoyment of other films were talking about the connective tissue elements. So you can't just take these films, and say that they can only be evaluated by themselves with no consideration for the connecting elements, because those elements are a large part of the point.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 3, 2017 15:05:21 GMT
Don't know,as much as I like or love some MCU movies,civil war didn't make them better. And I really like civil war Whether it did or didn't, the point remains, the people leaving saying it improved their enjoyment of other films were talking about the connective tissue elements. So you can't just take these films, and say that they can only be evaluated by themselves with no consideration for the connecting elements, because those elements are a large part of the point. That's for die hard fans. Majority of audience don't even know all the MCU movies let alone remember that some gem appeared 6 movies ago
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 15:10:18 GMT
Whether it did or didn't, the point remains, the people leaving saying it improved their enjoyment of other films were talking about the connective tissue elements. So you can't just take these films, and say that they can only be evaluated by themselves with no consideration for the connecting elements, because those elements are a large part of the point. That's for die hard fans. Majority of audience don't even know all the MCU movies let alone remember that some jam appeared 6 movies ago It's for more than just die hards, and even so, it's relevant to evaluating the film.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 3, 2017 15:12:33 GMT
That's for die hard fans. Majority of audience don't even know all the MCU movies let alone remember that some jam appeared 6 movies ago It's for more than just die hards, and even so, it's relevant to evaluating the film. I like Falcon but his appearance in Antman did nothing for me,it didn't make the movie better for me. Or worse for that matter
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