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Post by misstique on Jul 6, 2017 8:35:15 GMT
It was a light hearted movie, probably the most light hearted of all the MCU movies to date but that wasn't a bad thing at all because it fits someone like Spider-man. More light-hearted than GOTG and Ant-Man?
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Post by scabab on Jul 6, 2017 10:29:48 GMT
It was a light hearted movie, probably the most light hearted of all the MCU movies to date but that wasn't a bad thing at all because it fits someone like Spider-man. More light-hearted than GOTG and Ant-Man? It's at least on par with them as far as being light hearted goes. Spider-man is just a kid in school, most of the characters are other kids and there's no plot that involves a villain trying to massacre millions of people like with Ronan. There's plot points when he goes to a party and the homecoming dance etc. It's not completely light hearted though, when it gets serious it sorta stays serious. In that way it's better than what most Marvel movies do where they keep breaking up the serious moments with jokes here and there. Like how when Ronan is about to kill everyone on the planet and then Star-Lord starts dancing. Ant-man and Yellow Jacket have an intense final battle where the latter is hit by Thomas the Tank Engine and an Ant becomes the size of a dog. There's nothing like that here.
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Post by merh on Jul 7, 2017 4:09:39 GMT
Who would've guessed they'd stay consistent with the character from the comics? A movie about a wise-cracking teenager is light hearted - what a surprise. Light hearted is where there are no consequences or stakes to the outcomes of the plot and characters. The first 2 Spidermans combined light heartedness with intensity. It seems this recent iteration follows Disney MCU. They're consistent, I'll give em that. I get enough real life in my real life. I don't need my escapist entertainment to copy the real world. I've lost enough people in my life. I don't need to think a fake character dying means crap. Not like when my dad died a couple years ago. Or that fun morning I woke to find my husband of 20 yrs dead. Superman dying doesn't mean crap. He's not real. I don't care how many times I've seen Bruce Wayne's parents die. It's not real. Yeah, I cried at TFA because it's a character played by the original actor & my favorite so there's a lot of memories. Not like Supes we've seen played by a dozen actors (give or take). I had even sought out spoilers & was ready for it, but I wasnt obviously as prepared as I thought. I actually hate when a movie does that-makes me cry-because I know it's fake so cold, hard logic-don't cry. As a woman, I can't cry in public or I'm a weak, emotional female. So no damned cheap manipulation
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 4:14:53 GMT
That actually does not happen here. The Vulture is treated a serious threat to Spider-man throughout. At no point is he treated as comedic value, Spider-man doesn't joke about with him, insult him by calling him funny nicknames or anything like that which he did with other villains from other movies. Also the stakes involved are not as high as they are in most Marvel movies. He's not out to wipe out mankind or anything like that, he's just trying to steal Starks technology to sell it and Spider-man tries to stop him. Thats nice to hear, I look forward tp watching it on Saturday. Fuck you. Everyone knows you're not going to give Spider-man: Homecoming a fair shake simply because of your insipid Fox-Men brand loyalty.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 7, 2017 10:03:45 GMT
I get enough real life in my real life. I don't need my escapist entertainment to copy the real world. I've lost enough people in my life. I don't need to think a fake character dying means crap. Not like when my dad died a couple years ago. Or that fun morning I woke to find my husband of 20 yrs dead. Superman dying doesn't mean crap. He's not real. I don't care how many times I've seen Bruce Wayne's parents die. It's not real. Yeah, I cried at TFA because it's a character played by the original actor & my favorite so there's a lot of memories. Not like Supes we've seen played by a dozen actors (give or take). I had even sought out spoilers & was ready for it, but I wasnt obviously as prepared as I thought. I actually hate when a movie does that-makes me cry-because I know it's fake so cold, hard logic-don't cry. As a woman, I can't cry in public or I'm a weak, emotional female. So no damned cheap manipulation I've said its a personal preference that I (and many others) prefer a bit more intensity to the MCU films. If you find it escapist, great. The whole light hearted, Disney villain approach may have been funny and original in the early films they did in phase 1 and 2 but its an eye rolling tired gimmick now. And from what the original poster says, they do take the Spidey-Vulture rivalry seriously which is a good sign because as Thanos is getting closer, they need it instead of making him a purple blundering goofball which on previous records I am half expecting.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 7, 2017 10:12:17 GMT
Fuck you. Everyone knows you're not going to give Spider-man: Homecoming a fair shake simply because of your insipid Fox-Men brand loyalty. I enjoyed the last MCU entry, guardian's of the galaxy 2 because they took Ego seriously giving him screentime and depth instead of making him an idiot for children to giggle at like Ronan and killed off a major character to serve the arc of Quill. I will give Spiderman an honest assessment but reading so much hyperbole about it being the best Spidey ever, I have doubts.
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Post by merh on Jul 7, 2017 13:29:26 GMT
I get enough real life in my real life. I don't need my escapist entertainment to copy the real world. I've lost enough people in my life. I don't need to think a fake character dying means crap. Not like when my dad died a couple years ago. Or that fun morning I woke to find my husband of 20 yrs dead. Superman dying doesn't mean crap. He's not real. I don't care how many times I've seen Bruce Wayne's parents die. It's not real. Yeah, I cried at TFA because it's a character played by the original actor & my favorite so there's a lot of memories. Not like Supes we've seen played by a dozen actors (give or take). I had even sought out spoilers & was ready for it, but I wasnt obviously as prepared as I thought. I actually hate when a movie does that-makes me cry-because I know it's fake so cold, hard logic-don't cry. As a woman, I can't cry in public or I'm a weak, emotional female. So no damned cheap manipulation I've said its a personal preference that I (and many others) prefer a bit more intensity to the MCU films. If you find it escapist, great. The whole light hearted, Disney villain approach may have been funny and original in the early films they did in phase 1 and 2 but its an eye rolling tired gimmick now. And from what the original poster says, they do take the Spidey-Vulture rivalry seriously which is a good sign because as Thanos is getting closer, they need it instead of making him a purple blundering goofball which on previous records I am half expecting. You know Disney didn't acquire Marvel until 2010 basically, right? So Iron Man was completely before Disney & considering they were released in 2010, Thor & Captain America were pre-Disney. At best they might have been in post-production when Disney bought them. So no. Hell bells. Disney has some pretty damned evil baddies. Maleficent was pretty horrifying. If anything we can say Marvel has influenced Disney to rehabilitate some villains such as Maleficent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 13:40:43 GMT
I actually bought one of the Lego sets for Homecoming to get myself even more excited about seeing the movie
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 7, 2017 13:52:33 GMT
I'll tell you one thing I thought was odd though. I don't think this counts as a spoiler. The movie started following the events of The Avengers and the Battle of New York. Then it says "8 years later" and it cuts to Peter Parker vlogging the events that happened in Civil War as we saw in the trailer. How was that 8 years? Was the Avengers in 2012 and Civil War in 2020? It can't be the other way around in that Civil War was in 2016 and The Avengers was set in 2008. Did that make a mistake or something? The MCU is constantly being retconned much like actual comic books. When they're done with all of the films in this iteration, I'm sure they're going to issue a home media release that fixes the MCU timeline definitively. It's not possible to do that in-progress. whatculture.com/film/how-spider-man-homecoming-breaks-the-mcu-timelineUnofficial MCU TimelineSaveSave
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Post by charzhino on Jul 7, 2017 15:00:19 GMT
So Iron Man was completely before Disney & considering they were released in 2010, Thor & Captain America were pre-Disney. At best they might have been in post-production when Disney bought them. So no. Hell bells. Disney has some pretty damned evil baddies. Maleficent was pretty horrifying. If anything we can say Marvel has influenced Disney to rehabilitate some villains such as Maleficent. That actally makes sense, as Red Skull, Obidiah Stane and Loki are the 3 best villains the MCU have produced which coincidentally was Pre-Disney.
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Post by merh on Jul 8, 2017 0:24:51 GMT
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Post by merh on Jul 8, 2017 0:27:31 GMT
Who would've guessed they'd stay consistent with the character from the comics? A movie about a wise-cracking teenager is light hearted - what a surprise. Light hearted is where there are no consequences or stakes to the outcomes of the plot and characters. The first 2 Spidermans combined light heartedness with intensity. It seems this recent iteration follows Disney MCU. They're consistent, I'll give em that. So Thor, about to be crowned, is exiled, told his father died, & loses a brother he cares about is no consequence. Good to know.
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Post by skribb on Jul 8, 2017 1:19:21 GMT
If this is true it's hilarious
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 8, 2017 1:28:06 GMT
Light hearted is where there are no consequences or stakes to the outcomes of the plot and characters. The first 2 Spidermans combined light heartedness with intensity. It seems this recent iteration follows Disney MCU. They're consistent, I'll give em that. So Thor, about to be crowned, is exiled, told his father died, & loses a brother he cares about is no consequence. Good to know. Haven't you heard? In order for a CBM to have meaningful consequences, it has to adhere to the following formula. 1. The CBM must, in reality, be a disaster movie which masquerades as a superhero movie 2. The CBM must feature mass destruction on a grand scale; city at a minimum, continent or planet 3. The CBM must feature a flamboyant, genocidal villain (motivations like revenge, greed, jealously, or personal gain will simply not cut it) 4. The CBM must feature heroes who try to - singlehandedly - solve age-old human ills like war, terrorism and crime 5. Up until recently, the CBM had to be devoid of all hope, optimism, and mirth 6. The CBM must be covered in a layer or grime and darkness 7. The CBM must feature the loss of many faceless, innocent lives Without adhering strictly to this typology, the CBM simply has no stakes SaveSave
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Post by merh on Jul 8, 2017 1:57:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 2:08:34 GMT
Fuck you. Everyone knows you're not going to give Spider-man: Homecoming a fair shake simply because of your insipid Fox-Men brand loyalty. I enjoyed the last MCU entry, guardian's of the galaxy 2 because they took Ego seriously giving him screentime and depth instead of making him an idiot for children to giggle at like Ronan and killed off a major character to serve the arc of Quill. I will give Spiderman an honest assessment but reading so much hyperbole about it being the best Spidey ever, I have doubts. Yeah, suuuuuuuuuuure you will. I'm not holding my breath considering you insult both us and the films every chance you get.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 2:10:12 GMT
So Thor, about to be crowned, is exiled, told his father died, & loses a brother he cares about is no consequence. Good to know. Haven't you heard? In order for a CBM to have meaningful consequences, it has to adhere to the following formula. 1. The CBM must, in reality, be a disaster movie which masquerades as a superhero movie 2. The CBM must feature mass destruction on a grand scale; city at a minimum, continent or planet 3. The CBM must feature a flamboyant, genocidal villain (motivations like revenge, greed, jealously, or personal gain will simply not cut it) 4. The CBM must feature heroes who try to - singlehandedly - solve age-old human ills like war, terrorism and crime 5. Up until recently, the CBM had to be devoid of all hope, optimism, and mirth 6. The CBM must be covered in a layer or grime and darkness 7. The CBM must feature the loss of many faceless, innocent lives Without adhering strictly to this typology, the CBM simply has no stakes SaveSaveAnd yet these hypocrites will hail the first two Christopher Reeve Superman films as classics time after time again despite how those two movies fly right in the face of all that.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 8, 2017 5:39:53 GMT
Haven't you heard? In order for a CBM to have meaningful consequences, it has to adhere to the following formula. 1. The CBM must, in reality, be a disaster movie which masquerades as a superhero movie 2. The CBM must feature mass destruction on a grand scale; city at a minimum, continent or planet 3. The CBM must feature a flamboyant, genocidal villain (motivations like revenge, greed, jealously, or personal gain will simply not cut it) 4. The CBM must feature heroes who try to - singlehandedly - solve age-old human ills like war, terrorism and crime 5. Up until recently, the CBM had to be devoid of all hope, optimism, and mirth 6. The CBM must be covered in a layer or grime and darkness 7. The CBM must feature the loss of many faceless, innocent lives Without adhering strictly to this typology, the CBM simply has no stakes SaveSaveAnd yet these hypocrites will hail the first two Christopher Reeve Superman films as classics time after time again despite how those two movies fly right in the face of all that. Even as an adult, Christopher Reeves' Superman is still a towering figure in my imagination. He's kind, sensitive and, most importantly, intelligent. One of the rationalizations we frequently hear for Zack Snyder's unrelentingly bleak vision of the Man of Steel is that it is an accurate portrayal of the times we live in. The post-911 world is a dark place which is susceptible to the unexpected intrusion of violence and destruction into the everyday. Snyder's supporters laud him for showing us a vision of rubble-strewn cityscapes, toppled buildings and hapless, ash-covered civilians in deep distress. Superman the Movie was released in 1978. During that year the world faced an ongoing energy crisis, skyrocketing murder rates in urban cities, development of the neutron bomb, the deaths of over 900 people in Jonestown via ritual suicide, mail bombings, whole cities on the verge of bankruptcy, prolific serial killers and more. In spite of all of this, Donner gives us a vision of a Superman who is smart, confident, charming and optimistic without being overly naive or coy. His Superman actually believes in humanity's potential. He is a servant and a protector to the human race, he never sits in judgment, and he never holds us at arm's length. Watching him assist in the repair of the White House while apologizing to the President for 'being away for so long' was awe inspiring - that's real heroism. Donner's Superman is still, after all these years, nothing less than a revelation. SaveSave
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 8, 2017 6:13:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 6:21:40 GMT
And yet these hypocrites will hail the first two Christopher Reeve Superman films as classics time after time again despite how those two movies fly right in the face of all that. Even as an adult, Christopher Reeves' Superman is still a towering figure in my imagination. He's kind, sensitive and, most importantly, intelligent. One of the rationalizations we frequently hear for Zack Snyder's unrelentingly bleak vision of the Man of Steel is that it is an accurate portrayal of the times we live in. The post-911 world is a dark place which is susceptible to the unexpected intrusion of violence and destruction into the everyday. Snyder's supporters laud him for showing us a vision of rubble-strewn cityscapes, toppled buildings and hapless, ash-covered civilians in deep distress. Superman the Movie was released in 1978. During that year the world faced an ongoing energy crisis, skyrocketing murder rates in urban cities, development of the neutron bomb, the deaths of over 900 people in Jonestown via ritual suicide, mail bombings, whole cities on the verge of bankruptcy, prolific serial killers and more. In spite of all of this, Donner gives us a vision of a Superman who is smart, confident, charming and optimistic without being overly naive or coy. His Superman actually believes in humanity's potential. He is a servant and a protector to the human race, he never sits in judgment, and he never holds us at arm's length. Watching him assist in the repair of the White House while apologizing to the President for 'being away for so long' was awe inspiring - that's real heroism. Donner's Superman is still, after all these years, nothing less than a revelation. SaveSaveCouldn't have said it better myself. Its like these people believe the 70s were a magical, wonderful time to be alive for some reason. More cynicism, and from Superman of all characters, wasn't what we need then, and it isn't what we need from him now.
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