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Post by gadreel on Jul 6, 2017 18:24:42 GMT
What do you mean supposed to end? It did end June 27th, right? So how would messing around with something to use it beyond that date not be stealing? The subscription to the quiz bank was supposed to end on 27th June. Means I could no longer access it after 27th June but I got around that by telling my computer that it is not 27th June yet. I personally don't consider it cheating. I had access to around 4000 questions. If I had brought a question bank book it would have remained with me for as long as I wished. Still I was entitled to 4000 questions but the greedy company wanted me to do all those questions during my subscription period (oct 2016-june 27th 2017). I was busy with work so I couldn't do more than 600 questions during that period. But I exploited their technological loophole and thus I got back what I believe I had paid over 400$ for. That said I can understand if you consider it cheating. You are wrong, you were not entitled to the questions, your entitlement ran out on the 27th of June. No matter how you spin it what you are doing is dishonest. Does it really mean you are evil? no. in fact we put back our computer clocks all the time as the license for our software can only be used for 30 days, if you don't install it before then it wont work (perpetual license though). At the end of the day you are cheating the system to get something you are not entitled to.
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Post by scienceisgod on Jul 6, 2017 19:08:52 GMT
How dare you try to offer less than $10,000,000 for an Epipen? Martin Skrekili worked realllly hard to get the government to restrict everyone else's rights.
You should have just torrented the whole thing.
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 6, 2017 20:00:13 GMT
I had access to online quiz bank from Kaplan which was due to expire on 27th June. There was no way to access the online quiz bank offline except on google chrome browser (even this way I could access it as long as I didn't delete the cache or the package didn't expire). I knew that this bloody company was going to stop providing me access on 27th June so I just wished somehow offline access remained on google chrome after 27th June. For that reason I had its offline data on both google chrome and Chromium browser. For those who don't know, the real browser is chromium. Google chrome is just google's packaging on chromium. So forward today on 6th July when I tried to access my quiz bank offline on google chrome it said "package expired". I thought I wasted around 450$ that I had paid to kaplan. I was about to see if offline access remained available on chromium browser. Just before opening that browser an idea struck me. What if I change the date of my computer and put my internet connection off? So i changed the date of my computer from 6 july to 6th January and then put on the chromium browser while switching off the wireless. And guess what it doesn't says expire. I still have the access to the kaplan package and I can use it. I have to be careful to never change my date and update chromium browser or delete its cache. So my question is this: Would you consider what I did a cheating? I know that CoolJGS☺ and @miccee will most probably consider it cheating as the very thought of adblocker makes them call other people unethical. Is it the GRE premier test book for 2017 AJ?
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 6, 2017 20:46:07 GMT
I had access to online quiz bank from Kaplan which was due to expire on 27th June. There was no way to access the online quiz bank offline except on google chrome browser (even this way I could access it as long as I didn't delete the cache or the package didn't expire). I knew that this bloody company was going to stop providing me access on 27th June so I just wished somehow offline access remained on google chrome after 27th June. For that reason I had its offline data on both google chrome and Chromium browser. For those who don't know, the real browser is chromium. Google chrome is just google's packaging on chromium. So forward today on 6th July when I tried to access my quiz bank offline on google chrome it said "package expired". I thought I wasted around 450$ that I had paid to kaplan. I was about to see if offline access remained available on chromium browser. Just before opening that browser an idea struck me. What if I change the date of my computer and put my internet connection off? So i changed the date of my computer from 6 july to 6th January and then put on the chromium browser while switching off the wireless. And guess what it doesn't says expire. I still have the access to the kaplan package and I can use it. I have to be careful to never change my date and update chromium browser or delete its cache. So my question is this: Would you consider what I did a cheating? I know that CoolJGS☺ and @miccee will most probably consider it cheating as the very thought of adblocker makes them call other people unethical. Is it the GRE premier test book for 2017 AJ? It's CFA quiz bank. When I brought it in October 2016 I thought i would appear for June 2017 exam but I couldn't get any time in that period. They could at least have given subscription till 2017 December exam but given that Kaplan is considered bible for CFA they do as they will. Earlier they used to give a software which you could install and use till your test date (even if they didn't update it). Now they don't give software but online quiz bank (which they allow using offline in google chrome browser till expiry date).
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 7, 2017 9:34:32 GMT
Is it the GRE premier test book for 2017 AJ? It's CFA quiz bank. When I brought it in October 2016 I thought i would appear for June 2017 exam but I couldn't get any time in that period. They could at least have given subscription till 2017 December exam but given that Kaplan is considered bible for CFA they do as they will. Earlier they used to give a software which you could install and use till your test date (even if they didn't update it). Now they don't give software but online quiz bank (which they allow using offline in google chrome browser till expiry date). Which Level at CFA are you going for? Is it Level 1? If it is and you're getting above 70% on the qbank questions you should be good. Add in some CFA pratice exams as well if you've not already done so.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 7, 2017 9:58:45 GMT
It's CFA quiz bank. When I brought it in October 2016 I thought i would appear for June 2017 exam but I couldn't get any time in that period. They could at least have given subscription till 2017 December exam but given that Kaplan is considered bible for CFA they do as they will. Earlier they used to give a software which you could install and use till your test date (even if they didn't update it). Now they don't give software but online quiz bank (which they allow using offline in google chrome browser till expiry date). Which Level at CFA are you going for? Is it Level 1? If it is and you're getting above 70% on the qbank questions you should be good. Add in some CFA pratice exams as well if you've not already done so. Thanks. Yes level 1. I am getting around 82% in quiz bank but there are 60 readings and I have not even seen 35 of them. If I manage to find time for study then I can sit for December one or else next June. Will give the CFA practice tests once I cover all the 60 readings.
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Post by Superdude6091 on Jul 7, 2017 10:28:30 GMT
Which Level at CFA are you going for? Is it Level 1? If it is and you're getting above 70% on the qbank questions you should be good. Add in some CFA pratice exams as well if you've not already done so. Thanks. Yes level 1. I am getting around 82% in quiz bank but there are 60 readings and I have not even seen 35 of them. If I manage to find time for study then I can sit for December one or else next June. Will give the CFA practice tests once I cover all the 60 readings. Damn 60 readings? I thought it was still 56. How are you breaking your study sessions down? Are you going for 18 study sessions and changing the question difficulty? I wouldn't recommend more than 3 readings per session personally
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Post by cybajedi on Jul 7, 2017 18:11:38 GMT
The mental gymnastics people perform to convince themselves they are not doing anything wrong never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 7, 2017 21:15:16 GMT
Thanks. Yes level 1. I am getting around 82% in quiz bank but there are 60 readings and I have not even seen 35 of them. If I manage to find time for study then I can sit for December one or else next June. Will give the CFA practice tests once I cover all the 60 readings. Damn 60 readings? I thought it was still 56. How are you breaking your study sessions down? Are you going for 18 study sessions and changing the question difficulty? I wouldn't recommend more than 3 readings per session personally I tend to see the whole thing divided in 10 different subjects and approach the whole course subject by subject. Already done with Quantitative methods/statistics, Corporate Finance, Derivatives and FSA. Need to do Economics, Equity securities, Alternate Investments, Fixed Income Securities, Ethics and Portfolio Management. Of these I had economics in my grad so should not be more than review but others renaming are relatively unknown to me except Equity Securities.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 7, 2017 21:20:12 GMT
The mental gymnastics people perform to convince themselves they are not doing anything wrong never ceases to amaze me. You could talk in the first person and speak directly to me. I tend to see this as an issue of power imbalance between consumer and the company and pretty much find them unethical company. Using my ethics system which is already based open source/fee software*/copyleft philosophy of Richard Stallman I find excessive restrictions and greed of companies as very unethical. It is also one of the reasons I don't use Windows and Mac operating systems. * Free as in freedom to modify and use and not price. That said, I do believe everyone has their own view of seeing things so I don't mind if others consider it stealing.
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Post by cybajedi on Jul 8, 2017 7:59:13 GMT
Regardless of how you justify it you are doing the wrong thing. I don't care that you are stealing, doesn't effect me in any way but just own it.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 8, 2017 8:01:36 GMT
Regardless of how you justify it you are doing the wrong thing. I don't care that you are stealing, doesn't effect me in any way but just own it. I don't consider what I am doing as wrong thing so there is nothing to own. Yes, my actions may be called technically stealing.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 8, 2017 10:13:37 GMT
Personally, I don't really care about the morality behind this, good luck to you.
However, you agree a fee for a service and that service was offered for a legnth of time. You have manipulated the system to get an extension of that service, thus you are using the service for free. Which is unethical and probably illegal.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 8, 2017 10:29:58 GMT
Personally, I don't really care about the morality behind this, good luck to you. However, you agree a fee for a service and that service was offered for a legnth of time. You have manipulated the system to get an extension of that service, thus you are using the service for free. Which is unethical and probably illegal. I am fine if you believe what I am doing is unethical. But I don't think it is ever illegal to retrieve data out of my own computer. It reminds of the famous obituary given to Steve Jobs by one of the 2 founding fathers of GNU/Linux. "Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died ... we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing. Unfortunately, that influence continues despite his absence. We can only hope his successors, as they attempt to carry on his legacy, will be less effective."
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 8, 2017 10:32:07 GMT
Personally, I don't really care about the morality behind this, good luck to you. However, you agree a fee for a service and that service was offered for a legnth of time. You have manipulated the system to get an extension of that service, thus you are using the service for free. Which is unethical and probably illegal. I am fine if you believe what I am doing is unethical. But I don't think it is ever illegal to retrieve data out of my own computer. It reminds of the famous obituary given to Steve Jobs by one of the 2 founding fathers of GNU/Linux. "Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died ... we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing. Unfortunately, that influence continues despite his absence. We can only hope his successors, as they attempt to carry on his legacy, will be less effective." I'm making no moral judgement mate. Just stating the facts as I see them. The only loss the company is accruing is your loss of subscription, you are not denying them use of anything so you can argue either way.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 8, 2017 12:35:20 GMT
Aj_JuneNot sure that's an accurate statement. Depending on the terms and conditions of the agreement I imagine there is a specific time limit spelled out and the data no longer belongs to you. You just have the data trapped.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 8, 2017 12:52:59 GMT
tpfkar CoolJGS☺ said:I dunno. Somebody "leases" you a car with no proviso for returning and then leaves it in your front yard. Do you have to leave it in a back corner of your yard as it slowly turns into a rust sculpture, or can you store your cat food in it? Heck, I'm not even sure on the ethics of if he screenshotted (screenshot?) and left it in a folder on his hard drive every page for review. I do know the business wouldn't care to pursue it unless he started sharing the data, or shared a program harvesting it or something. Car Radio
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 8, 2017 12:55:16 GMT
Aj_June Not sure that's an accurate statement. Depending on the terms and conditions of the agreement I imagine there is a specific time limit spelled out and the data no longer belongs to you. You just have the data trapped. It will be illegal when i will retrieve data from their server or site. My computer belongs to me and i can't commit anything illegal unless i share the retrieved contents of my computer with others. The company should have given me printing ability like most other test providers do in most of the fields of education but this greedy company didn't. Giving print feature to access educational content is also ethical thing to do based on fact that many people are not comfortable reading on screen.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 8, 2017 12:58:41 GMT
tpfkar CoolJGS☺ said:I dunno. Somebody "leases" you a car with no proviso for returning and then leaves it in your front yard. Do you have to leave it in a back corner of your yard as it slowly turns into a rust sculpture, or can you store your cat food in it? Heck, I'm not even sure on the ethics of if he screenshotted (screenshot?) and left it in a folder on his hard drive every page for review. I do know the business wouldn't care to pursue it unless he started sharing the data, or shared a program harvesting it or something. Car RadioI'm saying that it's altogether possible that there is a proviso saying the expiration date. Maybe there's not... I don't think screenshotting or printing would count toward it, but not all access is equal. He is deciding to use the method of delivery that would normally have a charge and is admitting to gaming the system.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 8, 2017 12:59:20 GMT
tpfkar CoolJGS☺ said:I dunno. Somebody "leases" you a car with no proviso for returning and then leaves it in your front yard. Do you have to leave it in a back corner of your yard as it slowly turns into a rust sculpture, or can you store your cat food in it? Heck, I'm not even sure on the ethics of if he screenshotted (screenshot?) and left it in a folder on his hard drive every page for review. I do know the business wouldn't care to pursue it unless he started sharing the data, or shared a program harvesting it or something. Car RadioExactly right about sharing thing. Then it will become illegal.screenshot example was funny. I will keep that in my mind for my future thieving.
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