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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 21:17:55 GMT
Done right? WTF does that mean? I doubt you even understand why Peter was crying or feeling miserable in Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2, you fanboys are so fcking ignorant. Let's not play the assumption game here; let's argue like men shall we? I understand why he was crying and feeling miserable but the dialogue and acting kinda ruins what depth there was. FYI I loved Spider Man 2 equally with Homecoming and liked Homecoming slightly more than Spider Man I'm not a biased fanboy, it's just that Homecoming was far more faithful to the comics than any previous Spidey movie so as a person who grew up reading Spider Man comics it was more enjoyable than Raimi's Spider Man movies despite it being equal in quality to the second one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 21:30:31 GMT
Bull shit. All MCU films have flaws. We just dont bitch about them. Why cant you accept that people like what they like? Why do you feel the need to enforce your taste upon others? Just let us kids talk about how great we think everything is. Every criticism is always talked down and called "hating" on every MCU film. I actually haven't seen anyone have actual concerns or dislikes by the tropes in MCU movies. Im not enforcing anything, im giving people a reason to think a little more critically about their beloved franchise and not accept everything Feige dishes out as golden nuggets because, as much as this will shock you, the MCU is not a perfect filmverse. Do you really think that the MCU fans dont see the flaws of the movies in the MCU and that we need you to point those out? Newsflash: we dont. The last week there was a discussion thread about the Timeline being compromised. It was opened by a MCU fan, several admitted their concern about it and one fan came up with a somewhat brilliant fix 😉😉😉. What you say is simply not true. You are just attacking people for what they like. Because it isnt your taste. And you even think you are better than the people with that taste. You are reminding us every day. I dont know why you feel the need to try and take our joy away. It makes me pity you. |
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Jul 14, 2017 22:09:44 GMT
How about you pathetic losers start analyzing the sterile, flat and uninteresting way in which all of these movies are shot and executed?? It's like watching a TV mini-series on the big screen. The new Inhumans looks like a new low.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 22:23:19 GMT
How about you pathetic losers start analyzing the sterile, flat and uninteresting way in which all of these movies are shot and executed?? It's like watching a TV mini-series on the big screen. The new Inhumans looks like a new low. Now, now, we don't have time for a crybaby; let's take this argument as mature adults shall we? Calling others pathetic losers shows your own insecurities. I honestly can't see what you mean by the way these movies are shot they look no different than any other movie I've seen. The MCU movies look like TV series is a terribly lazy and bullshit criticism that only you tend to bring up. The new Inhumans show looks bad yes but that doesn't undercut the other entries in the MCU. |
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Post by skribb on Jul 14, 2017 23:11:04 GMT
How about you pathetic losers start analyzing the sterile, flat and uninteresting way in which all of these movies are shot and executed?? It's like watching a TV mini-series on the big screen. The new Inhumans looks like a new low. I really only think that Homecoming suffers from this, but not all the way thru. |
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Post by claudius on Jul 14, 2017 23:37:41 GMT
"Raimi turned Spider-man into a Crybaby. Thats insulting to the character."
Is the problem Spidey crying PERIOD or how Raimi executes it? I dunno, because in my personal view, I tend to see Spidey do a lot of that whenever someone close to him gets killed or badly injured. Now, most of these have Peter in a mask or face-palming (or both), so we don't see any crying, but it's rather clear what's he doing.
-After leaving the burglar for the police.
-When Silvermane dies.
-When Captain Stacy dies.
-Holding Gwen's corpse ("I saved you...") and later after telling MJ to get lost.
-When Gwen's clone leaves.
-Visiting the badly injured Black Cat at her hospital bed.
-When Harry dies (temporarily).
-When 'Aunt May' dies.
"Raimi used Kirsten Dunst as a bra-less scream queen. Thats a waste of a good actress and stereotyping women as weak damsels who need saving them from evil. Whats to like about that?"
I could agree to that one. Getting kidnapped once is fine (a nod to AMS#121), but all three films? And not in some Lois Lane/Emma Peel-esque 'find the danger' activity, but by doing nothing? I still bristle over MJ's cowardly 'Break Peter's heart or DIE' action. Granted, there was a Gerry Conway story where MJ witnesses a psuedo-Vulture do a crime but kept quiet out of fear of the villain killing her, but I don't think she would ever hurt someone under threat of death (and BTW, MJ did report to the authorities in that story). She didn't quite redeem herself.
"Raimi lacked good villains. They all wind up killing themselves."
Feh, both the Osborns' death were nods to the comics, so care not.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 14, 2017 23:40:27 GMT
How about you pathetic losers start analyzing the sterile, flat and uninteresting way in which all of these movies are shot and executed?? Because we're discussing MCU, not a FoX-Men film. |
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Jul 15, 2017 5:25:03 GMT
REAL HUMAN EMOTION done well in superhero movies without being cringe-worthy is Superman (1978) and Logan (2017), as just two noteworthy examples that come to my mind right now.
That's not to say that Spider-Man: Homecoming doesn't have REAL HUMAN EMOTION. It does. It just doesn't have over-the-top crying. And no over-the-top or underwhelming villainy. Actually, for all of Spider-Man 3's criticism, Thomas Hayden Church's portrayal of Sandman is very similar to Michael Keaton's portrayal of The Vulture, although Keaton comes out on top for me.
The Marvel Cinematic Universe is certainly not perfect, but there are certain MCU films that are perfect for me, regardless of whether they rely heavily on other MCU films or stand very well on their own. These for me include Spider-Man: Homecoming, Captain America 2 and 3, Dr. Strange, Iron Man 2, and Ant-Man.
Spider-Man: Homecoming may feel like a television production because it's very personal, especially as seen from the eyes of a very realistic high school student. But the movie itself is filmed very well. The production values are fantastic, especially in the Washington, D.C., and Staten Island Ferry scenes.
And yes, Inhumans looks very much like a television series or miniseries because it is in fact a TV miniseries. The two-hour premiere movie is being shown on IMAX most probably for publicity, but its production values reek of television. A big-budget theatrical Inhumans movie would have definitely looked much more impressive and epic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 7:12:43 GMT
How old are some of you?? 13? Why don't you like or even respect seeing REAL HUMAN EMOTION in a fcking Spider-Man film?? Watch Homecoming again, and when you do, please tell us of the emotions you saw in it, and then maybe you can stop being a snob as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 7:14:21 GMT
Done right? WTF does that mean? I doubt you even understand why Peter was crying or feeling miserable in Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2, you fanboys are so fcking ignorant. It's clear you're the one who is ignorant. Peter Parker kept moping around in self pity "because being spider-man is hard" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 7:17:00 GMT
REAL HUMAN EMOTION done well in superhero movies without being cringe-worthy is Superman (1978) and Logan (2017), as just two noteworthy examples that come to my mind right now. That's not to say that Spider-Man: Homecoming doesn't have REAL HUMAN EMOTION. It does. It just doesn't have over-the-top crying. And no over-the-top or underwhelming villainy. Actually, for all of Spider-Man 3's criticism, Thomas Hayden Church's portrayal of Sandman is very similar to Michael Keaton's portrayal of The Vulture, although Keaton comes out on top for me. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is certainly not perfect, but there are certain MCU films that are perfect for me, regardless of whether they rely heavily on other MCU films or stand very well on their own. These for me include Spider-Man: Homecoming, Captain America 2 and 3, Dr. Strange, Iron Man 2, and Ant-Man. Spider-Man: Homecoming may feel like a television production because it's very personal, especially as seen from the eyes of a very realistic high school student. But the movie itself is filmed very well. The production values are fantastic, especially in the Washington, D.C., and Staten Island Ferry scenes. And yes, Inhumans looks very much like a television series or miniseries because it is in fact a TV miniseries. The two-hour premiere movie is being shown on IMAX most probably for publicity, but its production values reek of television. A big-budget theatrical Inhumans movie would have definitely looked much more impressive and epic. But real emotion to Luke is over the top crying. |
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Post by gromel on Jul 15, 2017 9:24:16 GMT
I liked that it was the most pure "adventure" Spider-Man film.
Also good that villains doesn't die, though TASM did this first, so Sony will finally get their Sinister Six payoff under Disney.
But Uncle Ben and the "with great power etc." theme should have had a stronger presence, if it did, it would rival Spider-Man 1. Right now it's the best of the post-Raimi films but there's a big gap. It's only better than the Webb films for being more original/less redundant, but some of their changes don't work so well like kinda making Stark the new living Uncle Ben. But I guess this is the compromise for sticking him into an existing universe.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 15, 2017 17:19:42 GMT
Boy, is this thread embarrassing, or what?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 6:51:27 GMT
Boy, is this thread embarrassing, or what? You still looking for your ten dollars? |
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Post by HorrorMetal on Dec 2, 2018 18:17:41 GMT
Done right? WTF does that mean? I doubt you even understand why Peter was crying or feeling miserable in Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2, you fanboys are so fcking ignorant. Let's not play the assumption game here; let's argue like men shall we? I understand why he was crying and feeling miserable but the dialogue and acting kinda ruins what depth there was. FYI I loved Spider Man 2 equally with Homecoming and liked Homecoming slightly more than Spider Man I'm not a biased fanboy, it's just that Homecoming was far more faithful to the comics than any previous Spidey movie so as a person who grew up reading Spider Man comics it was more enjoyable than Raimi's Spider Man movies despite it being equal in quality to the second one. I don't think Homecoming was closer to the comics than the previous films. I would say that Tom Holland has the potential to be the best and most comic accurate Spidey but everything else in the film was pretty far off. So many important missing elements. No spider sense. No J. Jonah Jameson. No photography hobby. No longer being an independent loner whose secret identity wasn't known by anyone. No making his own costume and NOT having a Stark tech suit that never shuts up. The supporting cast in this movie could not have been more different from their comic book counterparts. "MJ" goes from a fun and energetic redhead bombshell to a whiny emo outcast. Flash in the comics was an arrogant muscular jock and football hero, not a nerdy weirdo with a potty mouth. He's supposed to be the antithesis of Peter Parker, his polar opposite. Here they were so similar, I don't even see why they were enemies. Sure he had more screentime and a bigger role to play than the Flash in previous Spidey films but that's not really relevant. If the bullies in my school looked and acted like the Homecoming version of Flash, I would have kicked their asses. Aunt May goes from an elderly and nurturing woman who somewhat dependent on Peter to a young fox who could easily find some wealthy man to take care of her. Quite a departure there. i enjoyed this movie for the most part, and Holland and Keaton were both great, but it's pretty far off from the source material. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 2, 2018 20:07:56 GMT
I do think Holland is the best Parker/Spiderman we've had so far. He has the best combination of smart mouth, humorous, somewhat dorky, nice, sometimes bumbling personality that you normally associate with Spidey. Heck, the guy even does parkour.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 20:44:16 GMT
I'll take your word for it. I haven't seen the Andrew Garfield ones. The only two I think are good are Spiderman 2 and Spiderman Homecoming, and between those two I prefer Spiderman 2.
Tom Holland I think really is good. I don't like how immature his character is, so I'm already longing for him to mature and get serious really quickly, quicker than usual. His and Iron Man's surrogate father chemistry is great; I almost wish it were at play in another movie.
Spiderman 2 I already think is better than most. I didn't mind the first Spiderman, but Spiderman 2 really surprised me. In my opinion, it's as far removed from Spiderman as Spiderman itself is removed from Spiderman 3.
Is Homecoming better than Spiderman...maybe. I really do still think Spiderman 2 is better though. If it was either the weepy or romantic melodrama, then I'll have to take that over Spiderman Homecoming as well. That is to say if they're true, then I consider them advantages instead of disadvantages because they produced a result I liked more.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 2, 2018 22:11:57 GMT
Let's not play the assumption game here; let's argue like men shall we? I understand why he was crying and feeling miserable but the dialogue and acting kinda ruins what depth there was. FYI I loved Spider Man 2 equally with Homecoming and liked Homecoming slightly more than Spider Man I'm not a biased fanboy, it's just that Homecoming was far more faithful to the comics than any previous Spidey movie so as a person who grew up reading Spider Man comics it was more enjoyable than Raimi's Spider Man movies despite it being equal in quality to the second one. I don't think Homecoming was closer to the comics than the previous films. I would say that Tom Holland has the potential to be the best and most comic accurate Spidey but everything else in the film was pretty far off. So many important missing elements. No spider sense. No J. Jonah Jameson. No photography hobby. No longer being an independent loner whose secret identity wasn't known by anyone. No making his own costume and NOT having a Stark tech suit that never shuts up. The supporting cast in this movie could not have been more different from their comic book counterparts. "MJ" goes from a fun and energetic redhead bombshell to a whiny emo outcast. Flash in the comics was an arrogant muscular jock and football hero, not a nerdy weirdo with a potty mouth. He's supposed to be the antithesis of Peter Parker, his polar opposite. Here they were so similar, I don't even see why they were enemies. Sure he had more screentime and a bigger role to play than the Flash in previous Spidey films but that's not really relevant. If the bullies in my school looked and acted like the Homecoming version of Flash, I would have kicked their asses. Aunt May goes from an elderly and nurturing woman who somewhat dependent on Peter to a young fox who could easily find some wealthy man to take care of her. Quite a departure there. i enjoyed this movie for the most part, and Holland and Keaton were both great, but it's pretty far off from the source material. Not having a visual/audio cue for the spider-sense doesn't mean he didn't have a spider-sense. He was dodging things that he was not looking at. Peter doesn't have to be a photographer. Not having J. Jonah means nothing. You do know that Spider-man starred in a book called Marvel Team-up where he teamed-up with other superheroes for years. He was even a member of a bunch of teams. And he did make his own costume. Stark just gave him an upgrade.
Well, he also didn't know MJ in high school. And if you try the "he did in Ultimate Spider-man approach" she wasn't the fun and energetic bombshell in that. Also, the Homecoming version wasn't emo. Also, also, "fun and energetic" MJ was a mask for her crappy home life. Homecoming MJ was just a normal teenage girl that liked using sarcasm. Especially with the boy she liked.
The biggest difference between you and Peter Parker is that he's Spider-man. He wouldn't kick the asses of bullies.
Aunt May is not young in Homecoming. She's in her early 50s. About the right age for aunt of a 15 year old.
They did a good job with her.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 2, 2018 22:17:08 GMT
I think there is no hope for homecoming.
sony will want the character back after part 2. they have in a not so surprising way made a superior spiderman movie with into the spiderverse and have made spidey fans pay more attention to them thanks to venom than homecoming that most spiderman fans see as disney child's play.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 2, 2018 22:25:43 GMT
Not a weepy romantic melodrama. Not a weepy melodrama. now to reply to you. thanks for exposing how truly childish homecoming was.the romance was great in tobey's spiderman films, very complex like the comics , like how real grown up realtionship should be. watching the movie you can tell why it is hard been spiderman and peter and trying to have a normal life.
out of curiosity do you know how long it took for peter and mj to become a thing? how many times they went through a rough part even before they got married? how difficult their marriage was?
see this is why spidey fans dont take homecoming seriously. in mcu , spidey is an avengers fanboy who has no struggle and depends on iron man for everything unlike the raimi spiderman that gave one of the best peter we have seen on screen since spiderman tas.
once again mcu fans exposes how dumb and easy mcu movies are. not to mention their pure ignorances on the comics, mcu fans call it melodrama. please do you ignorant folks know that the most iconic spiderman story was the night gwen stacy died?
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