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Post by summers8 on Dec 2, 2018 22:30:41 GMT
I don't think Homecoming was closer to the comics than the previous films. I would say that Tom Holland has the potential to be the best and most comic accurate Spidey but everything else in the film was pretty far off. So many important missing elements. No spider sense. No J. Jonah Jameson. No photography hobby. No longer being an independent loner whose secret identity wasn't known by anyone. No making his own costume and NOT having a Stark tech suit that never shuts up. The supporting cast in this movie could not have been more different from their comic book counterparts. "MJ" goes from a fun and energetic redhead bombshell to a whiny emo outcast. Flash in the comics was an arrogant muscular jock and football hero, not a nerdy weirdo with a potty mouth. He's supposed to be the antithesis of Peter Parker, his polar opposite. Here they were so similar, I don't even see why they were enemies. Sure he had more screentime and a bigger role to play than the Flash in previous Spidey films but that's not really relevant. If the bullies in my school looked and acted like the Homecoming version of Flash, I would have kicked their asses. Aunt May goes from an elderly and nurturing woman who somewhat dependent on Peter to a young fox who could easily find some wealthy man to take care of her. Quite a departure there. i enjoyed this movie for the most part, and Holland and Keaton were both great, but it's pretty far off from the source material. Not having a visual/audio cue for the spider-sense doesn't mean he didn't have a spider-sense. He was dodging things that he was not looking at. Peter doesn't have to be a photographer. Not having J. Jonah means nothing. You do know that Spider-man starred in a book called Marvel Team-up where he teamed-up with other superheroes for years. He was even a member of a bunch of teams. And he did make his own costume. Stark just gave him an upgrade.
Well, he also didn't know MJ in high school. And if you try the "he did in Ultimate Spider-man approach" she wasn't the fun and energetic bombshell in that. Also, the Homecoming version wasn't emo. Also, also, "fun and energetic" MJ was a mask for her crappy home life. Homecoming MJ was just a normal teenage girl that liked using sarcasm. Especially with the boy she liked.
The biggest difference between you and Peter Parker is that he's Spider-man. He wouldn't kick the asses of bullies.
Aunt May is not young in Homecoming. She's in her early 50s. About the right age for aunt of a 15 year old.
They did a good job with her.
bullshit. but nice try with more lies. if aunt may did not look so young. people wont have said we have a hott aunt may.
this is aunt may
please can you stop with spiderman is more of a team up guy when he is mostly solo in the comics. that is part of his appeal. he is the second most isolated marvel series after xmen.
one reason the world loves the raimi movies best. they get to see spiderman. not a side kick.
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Post by HorrorMetal on Dec 3, 2018 4:41:40 GMT
I don't think Homecoming was closer to the comics than the previous films. I would say that Tom Holland has the potential to be the best and most comic accurate Spidey but everything else in the film was pretty far off. So many important missing elements. No spider sense. No J. Jonah Jameson. No photography hobby. No longer being an independent loner whose secret identity wasn't known by anyone. No making his own costume and NOT having a Stark tech suit that never shuts up The supporting cast in this movie could not have been more different from their comic book counterparts. "MJ" goes from a fun and energetic redhead bombshell to a whiny emo outcast. Flash in the comics was an arrogant muscular jock and football hero, not a nerdy weirdo with a potty mouth. He's supposed to be the antithesis of Peter Parker, his polar opposite. Here they were so similar, I don't even see why they were enemies. Sure he had more screentime and a bigger role to play than the Flash in previous Spidey films but that's not really relevant. If the bullies in my school looked and acted like the Homecoming version of Flash, I would have kicked their asses. Aunt May goes from an elderly and nurturing woman who somewhat dependent on Peter to a young fox who could easily find some wealthy man to take care of her. Quite a departure there. i enjoyed this movie for the most part, and Holland and Keaton were both great, but it's pretty far off from the source material. Not having a visual/audio cue for the spider-sense doesn't mean he didn't have a spider-sense. He was dodging things that he was not looking at. Peter doesn't have to be a photographer. Not having J. Jonah means nothing. You do know that Spider-man starred in a book called Marvel Team-up where he teamed-up with other superheroes for years. He was even a member of a bunch of teams. And he did make his own costume. Stark just gave him an upgrade.
Well, he also didn't know MJ in high school. And if you try the "he did in Ultimate Spider-man approach" she wasn't the fun and energetic bombshell in that. Also, the Homecoming version wasn't emo. Also, also, "fun and energetic" MJ was a mask for her crappy home life. Homecoming MJ was just a normal teenage girl that liked using sarcasm. Especially with the boy she liked.
The biggest difference between you and Peter Parker is that he's Spider-man. He wouldn't kick the asses of bullies.
Aunt May is not young in Homecoming. She's in her early 50s. About the right age for aunt of a 15 year old.
They did a good job with her.
Hell, he didn't even need a spider sense, that AI constantly told him when danger was coming. He didn't even really need any powers with that high tech suit. If I had that suit, I could be a super hero too, no other abilities needed. Peter being a photographer has always been a pretty big part of the character but you're right, it isn't necessarily required. And yes, he did team up with other heroes many times but he was usually arrogant about it (especially in the beginning) and usually acted like they were all lucky to be in his presence. Here it felt more like he was the Chester to Tony Stark's Spike (Looney Tunes). I guess Michelle isn't actually MJ so I can let that slide but I still think Flash was all wrong. And I didn't mean that Peter should have kicked his ass, I just meant he didn't work at all as a bully. Scrawny nerds aren't bullies, at least not in real life. Aunt May was fine, but she was still a huge departure from her comic book counterpart. She looked and acted nothing like the Aunt May I grew up reading about. That's not really a major problem, but I still feel like I should not be attracted to Aunt May. She was hotter than any of Peter's classmates.
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Post by summers8 on Dec 3, 2018 10:24:29 GMT
Not having a visual/audio cue for the spider-sense doesn't mean he didn't have a spider-sense. He was dodging things that he was not looking at. Peter doesn't have to be a photographer. Not having J. Jonah means nothing. You do know that Spider-man starred in a book called Marvel Team-up where he teamed-up with other superheroes for years. He was even a member of a bunch of teams. And he did make his own costume. Stark just gave him an upgrade.
Well, he also didn't know MJ in high school. And if you try the "he did in Ultimate Spider-man approach" she wasn't the fun and energetic bombshell in that. Also, the Homecoming version wasn't emo. Also, also, "fun and energetic" MJ was a mask for her crappy home life. Homecoming MJ was just a normal teenage girl that liked using sarcasm. Especially with the boy she liked.
The biggest difference between you and Peter Parker is that he's Spider-man. He wouldn't kick the asses of bullies.
Aunt May is not young in Homecoming. She's in her early 50s. About the right age for aunt of a 15 year old.
They did a good job with her.
Hell, he didn't even need a spider sense, that AI constantly told him when danger was coming. He didn't even really need any powers with that high tech suit. If I had that suit, I could be a super hero too, no other abilities needed. Peter being a photographer has always been a pretty big part of the character but you're right, it isn't necessarily required. And yes, he did team up with other heroes many times but he was usually arrogant about it (especially in the beginning) and usually acted like they were all lucky to be in his presence. Here it felt more like he was the Chester to Tony Stark's Spike (Looney Tunes). I guess Michelle isn't actually MJ so I can let that slide but I still think Flash was all wrong. And I didn't mean that Peter should have kicked his ass, I just meant he didn't work at all as a bully. Scrawny nerds aren't bullies, at least not in real life. Aunt May was fine, but she was still a huge departure from her comic book counterpart. She looked and acted nothing like the Aunt May I grew up reading about. That's not really a major problem, but I still feel like I should be attracted to Aunt May. She was hotter than any of Peter's classmates. true..about the suit. homecoming is not a spiderman movie its an avenger fanboy movie. why was tony stark even in this movie
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 3, 2018 18:30:01 GMT
Not having a visual/audio cue for the spider-sense doesn't mean he didn't have a spider-sense. He was dodging things that he was not looking at. Peter doesn't have to be a photographer. Not having J. Jonah means nothing. You do know that Spider-man starred in a book called Marvel Team-up where he teamed-up with other superheroes for years. He was even a member of a bunch of teams. And he did make his own costume. Stark just gave him an upgrade.
Well, he also didn't know MJ in high school. And if you try the "he did in Ultimate Spider-man approach" she wasn't the fun and energetic bombshell in that. Also, the Homecoming version wasn't emo. Also, also, "fun and energetic" MJ was a mask for her crappy home life. Homecoming MJ was just a normal teenage girl that liked using sarcasm. Especially with the boy she liked.
The biggest difference between you and Peter Parker is that he's Spider-man. He wouldn't kick the asses of bullies.
Aunt May is not young in Homecoming. She's in her early 50s. About the right age for aunt of a 15 year old.
They did a good job with her.
Hell, he didn't even need a spider sense, that AI constantly told him when danger was coming. He didn't even really need any powers with that high tech suit. If I had that suit, I could be a super hero too, no other abilities needed. Peter being a photographer has always been a pretty big part of the character but you're right, it isn't necessarily required. And yes, he did team up with other heroes many times but he was usually arrogant about it (especially in the beginning) and usually acted like they were all lucky to be in his presence. Here it felt more like he was the Chester to Tony Stark's Spike (Looney Tunes). I guess Michelle isn't actually MJ so I can let that slide but I still think Flash was all wrong. And I didn't mean that Peter should have kicked his ass, I just meant he didn't work at all as a bully. Scrawny nerds aren't bullies, at least not in real life. Aunt May was fine, but she was still a huge departure from her comic book counterpart. She looked and acted nothing like the Aunt May I grew up reading about. That's not really a major problem, but I still feel like I should not be attracted to Aunt May. She was hotter than any of Peter's classmates. Didn't you walk out of the movie before the 3rd act? He didn't have the AI after the ferry scene. The AI was a device so they can apply him talking to "himself" like in the comics. That was the purpose of it. In the end of the movie, without the AI, he was dodging things that he was not looking at (Vulture's wings). You could not be a superhero because you'd still need Peter's other powers. You forget, the spider-sense is not his main power.
I'd say the only way I'd use J. Jonah is like he is in the PS4 game.
But Peter wasn't trying to team-up with Stark. He was trying to join the Avengers. Stark just happen to be the leader of the Avengers now that half of the team is gone. He's auditioning to be on the team. Also, Stark is more of a sub for Reed Richards. And now that I think about it, He never teamed up with Stark. Stark just kept coming to save his butt because he was screwing up. Then at the end he turns down joining the Avengers because he realizes that's not something he wants.
Even if she turns out to be Mary Jane, she was still playing the role of a girl with a crappy family life trying to hide it. She just didn't play the bubbly party girl as a mask. And there were quite a few times when that mask slipped off her.
Scrawny nerds aren't bullies? Have you never seen anything with spoiled, arrogant, rich kids that take the piss out of others they see as below them? Especially a kid that is kinda poor.
How is that her problem you aren't attracted to Sally Field and/or Rosemary Harris?
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Post by HorrorMetal on Dec 3, 2018 19:01:25 GMT
Hell, he didn't even need a spider sense, that AI constantly told him when danger was coming. He didn't even really need any powers with that high tech suit. If I had that suit, I could be a super hero too, no other abilities needed. Peter being a photographer has always been a pretty big part of the character but you're right, it isn't necessarily required. And yes, he did team up with other heroes many times but he was usually arrogant about it (especially in the beginning) and usually acted like they were all lucky to be in his presence. Here it felt more like he was the Chester to Tony Stark's Spike (Looney Tunes). I guess Michelle isn't actually MJ so I can let that slide but I still think Flash was all wrong. And I didn't mean that Peter should have kicked his ass, I just meant he didn't work at all as a bully. Scrawny nerds aren't bullies, at least not in real life. Aunt May was fine, but she was still a huge departure from her comic book counterpart. She looked and acted nothing like the Aunt May I grew up reading about. That's not really a major problem, but I still feel like I should not be attracted to Aunt May. She was hotter than any of Peter's classmates. Didn't you walk out of the movie before the 3rd act? He didn't have the AI after the ferry scene. The AI was a device so they can apply him talking to "himself" like in the comics. That was the purpose of it. In the end of the movie, without the AI, he was dodging things that he was not looking at (Vulture's wings). You could not be a superhero because you'd still need Peter's other powers. You forget, the spider-sense is not his main power.
I'd say the only way I'd use J. Jonah is like he is in the PS4 game.
But Peter wasn't trying to team-up with Stark. He was trying to join the Avengers. Stark just happen to be the leader of the Avengers now that half of the team is gone. He's auditioning to be on the team. Also, Stark is more of a sub for Reed Richards. And now that I think about it, He never teamed up with Stark. Stark just kept coming to save his butt because he was screwing up. Then at the end he turns down joining the Avengers because he realizes that's not something he wants.
Even if she turns out to be Mary Jane, she was still playing the role of a girl with a crappy family life trying to hide it. She just didn't play the bubbly party girl as a mask. And there were quite a few times when that mask slipped off her.
Scrawny nerds aren't bullies? Have you never seen anything with spoiled, arrogant, rich kids that take the piss out of others they see as below them? Especially a kid that is kinda poor.
How is that her problem you aren't attracted to Sally Field and/or Rosemary Harris? I didn't walk out. You have me confused with someone else. I didn't say the spider sense was his main power, I just meant that anyone could be a superhero if they had that Stark tech suit. His other powers were basically secondary to the ones his costume equipped him with. Yes, you could say that the whole wanting to join the Avengers thing was a substitution for him wanting to join the Fantastic Four in the comics. But the concept isn't quite the same. In the one issue that he wanted to be part of the FF, it was only because he needed money, and thought that was a way to get it. There was no hero worship going on, no "dream" or "yearning" to be a part of their team. In fact, he was very condescending and rude about the whole thing, acting like he was doing them a favor by gracing them with his presence. And when they told him they were a non-profit organization, he lost all interest in the idea. That's nothing like how Parker is portrayed in the 2017 movie. Again, it was more like "Chester and Spike". My point still stands that "MJ" going from a outgoing party girl to a cynical and aloof outcast isn't true to the character. What's happening with her at home doesn't really matter. Bullies will always be the larger/stronger guys. Sadly, physical stature pretty much trumps anything in any school. Flash in this movie was about as intimidating as a gerbil, there is no way anyone would ever fear him. Having a strong wit and being able to outsmart someone does exactly nothing to prevent a fist to the face. Was Aunt May attractive in the comics? What's attractive to someone is objective, sure, but regardless she didn't look/act/talk anything like the traditional Aunt May.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 5, 2018 3:13:52 GMT
Didn't you walk out of the movie before the 3rd act? He didn't have the AI after the ferry scene. The AI was a device so they can apply him talking to "himself" like in the comics. That was the purpose of it. In the end of the movie, without the AI, he was dodging things that he was not looking at (Vulture's wings). You could not be a superhero because you'd still need Peter's other powers. You forget, the spider-sense is not his main power.
I'd say the only way I'd use J. Jonah is like he is in the PS4 game.
But Peter wasn't trying to team-up with Stark. He was trying to join the Avengers. Stark just happen to be the leader of the Avengers now that half of the team is gone. He's auditioning to be on the team. Also, Stark is more of a sub for Reed Richards. And now that I think about it, He never teamed up with Stark. Stark just kept coming to save his butt because he was screwing up. Then at the end he turns down joining the Avengers because he realizes that's not something he wants.
Even if she turns out to be Mary Jane, she was still playing the role of a girl with a crappy family life trying to hide it. She just didn't play the bubbly party girl as a mask. And there were quite a few times when that mask slipped off her.
Scrawny nerds aren't bullies? Have you never seen anything with spoiled, arrogant, rich kids that take the piss out of others they see as below them? Especially a kid that is kinda poor.
How is that her problem you aren't attracted to Sally Field and/or Rosemary Harris? I didn't walk out. You have me confused with someone else. I didn't say the spider sense was his main power, I just meant that anyone could be a superhero if they had that Stark tech suit. His other powers were basically secondary to the ones his costume equipped him with. Yes, you could say that the whole wanting to join the Avengers thing was a substitution for him wanting to join the Fantastic Four in the comics. But the concept isn't quite the same. In the one issue that he wanted to be part of the FF, it was only because he needed money, and thought that was a way to get it. There was no hero worship going on, no "dream" or "yearning" to be a part of their team. In fact, he was very condescending and rude about the whole thing, acting like he was doing them a favor by gracing them with his presence. And when they told him they were a non-profit organization, he lost all interest in the idea. That's nothing like how Parker is portrayed in the 2017 movie. Again, it was more like "Chester and Spike". My point still stands that "MJ" going from a outgoing party girl to a cynical and aloof outcast isn't true to the character. What's happening with her at home doesn't really matter. Bullies will always be the larger/stronger guys. Sadly, physical stature pretty much trumps anything in any school. Flash in this movie was about as intimidating as a gerbil, there is no way anyone would ever fear him. Having a strong wit and being able to outsmart someone does exactly nothing to prevent a fist to the face. Was Aunt May attractive in the comics? What's attractive to someone is objective, sure, but regardless she didn't look/act/talk anything like the traditional Aunt May. What did his suit do that made it so anyone can be superhero? He still had to use his own agility, he still had to use his own strength, he still had to use his own quick reflexes. The suit just made it so he can use his webshooters in a different way and had an AI talking to him. What else did he have?
What hero worship was there? Is it because a 15 year old was calling a 50+ year old man Mr.? What part of any of these movies showed hero worship? Stark is the leader of the Avengers and his mentor. He defers to him. He's not going to talk to Cap about joining the Avengers. And like I said before, in the end, he realized that joining the Avengers is not high on what he wants. And still not seeing the Chester and Spike comparison.
Isn't true to which MJ, though? Homecoming is clearly based mostly on Ultimate Spider-man.
You have an outdated look on what a bully is. Does a cyber bully have to be some larger stronger guy? This Flash is more of a d-head. You have a group of nerds and one of them is an overwhelming jerk. Still a bully. He doesn't have to beat Peter around to be a bully to him.
Traditional? Again Ultimate Aunt May. She looked younger than the foot in the grave Aunt May from the older comics and more attractive than she is "traditionally" made to look. Even the animated Ultimate Aunt May. Aunt May was made into this old biddy so Peter can have another person to worry about dying at any moment.
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Post by HorrorMetal on Dec 5, 2018 4:08:54 GMT
I didn't walk out. You have me confused with someone else. I didn't say the spider sense was his main power, I just meant that anyone could be a superhero if they had that Stark tech suit. His other powers were basically secondary to the ones his costume equipped him with. Yes, you could say that the whole wanting to join the Avengers thing was a substitution for him wanting to join the Fantastic Four in the comics. But the concept isn't quite the same. In the one issue that he wanted to be part of the FF, it was only because he needed money, and thought that was a way to get it. There was no hero worship going on, no "dream" or "yearning" to be a part of their team. In fact, he was very condescending and rude about the whole thing, acting like he was doing them a favor by gracing them with his presence. And when they told him they were a non-profit organization, he lost all interest in the idea. That's nothing like how Parker is portrayed in the 2017 movie. Again, it was more like "Chester and Spike". My point still stands that "MJ" going from a outgoing party girl to a cynical and aloof outcast isn't true to the character. What's happening with her at home doesn't really matter. Bullies will always be the larger/stronger guys. Sadly, physical stature pretty much trumps anything in any school. Flash in this movie was about as intimidating as a gerbil, there is no way anyone would ever fear him. Having a strong wit and being able to outsmart someone does exactly nothing to prevent a fist to the face. Was Aunt May attractive in the comics? What's attractive to someone is objective, sure, but regardless she didn't look/act/talk anything like the traditional Aunt May. What did his suit do that made it so anyone can be superhero? He still had to use his own agility, he still had to use his own strength, he still had to use his own quick reflexes. The suit just made it so he can use his webshooters in a different way and had an AI talking to him. What else did he have?
What hero worship was there? Is it because a 15 year old was calling a 50+ year old man Mr.? What part of any of these movies showed hero worship? Stark is the leader of the Avengers and his mentor. He defers to him. He's not going to talk to Cap about joining the Avengers. And like I said before, in the end, he realized that joining the Avengers is not high on what he wants. And still not seeing the Chester and Spike comparison.
Isn't true to which MJ, though? Homecoming is clearly based mostly on Ultimate Spider-man.
You have an outdated look on what a bully is. Does a cyber bully have to be some larger stronger guy? This Flash is more of a d-head. You have a group of nerds and one of them is an overwhelming jerk. Still a bully. He doesn't have to beat Peter around to be a bully to him.
Traditional? Again Ultimate Aunt May. She looked younger than the foot in the grave Aunt May from the older comics and more attractive than she is "traditionally" made to look. Even the animated Ultimate Aunt May. Aunt May was made into this old biddy so Peter can have another person to worry about dying at any moment.
Okay, fair enough. I didn't really read much of then Ultimate comics and what I did read, I don't remember due to it being so long ago. I still don't remember any version of Flash being a scrawny dork or MJ being a brooding outcast who mopes around and uses frequent sarcasm. But it's cool, every adaption takes liberties. My initial point was that the previous Spider-Man films portrayed the supporting cast in a more faithful way, overall, while this one seemed to update it more to fit the times. I can understand why they didn't wanna do Spidey '62 again, since it had already been done.
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