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Post by kls on Jul 26, 2017 12:21:38 GMT
I wish that people would stop telling me that this is some how a privilege of mine. No it's not... or, at the very least, one that I don't benefit from.... as I do not plan to embark on a criminal career in the foreseeable future. All whites have the privilege, even if it's only taken advantage of by white criminals. You don't have to be a criminal to say that it's a privilege you have. Not to be flip, but why should I care about a privilege I'll never use? For something to be a privilege it has to have a value or mean something to an individual.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 26, 2017 17:41:05 GMT
All whites have the privilege, even if it's only taken advantage of by white criminals. You don't have to be a criminal to say that it's a privilege you have. Not to be flip, but why should I care about a privilege I'll never use? For something to be a privilege it has to have a value or mean something to an individual. So a disparity in status or treatment is of little concern to you so long as it doesn't affect you directly...
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 26, 2017 18:45:40 GMT
Yep, comparing the random outcome of a car accident to a systemic disparity issue maintained by the political system we all vote in pretty much reflects your level of understanding of this issue.
Nobody cares about your hurt feelings over what term is used, Rapelteaser. Move on.
Edit: Yeah I don't blame you for deleting that.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 26, 2017 19:19:58 GMT
Yep, comparing the random outcome of a car accident to a systemic disparity issue maintained by the political system we all vote in pretty much reflects your level of understanding of this issue. Nobody cares about your hurt feelings over what term is used, Rapelteaser. Move on. Edit: Yeah I don't blame you for deleting that. That was quick.. That post was up for less than 20 seconds... I took it down because I would just be wasting my time... Turns out, I was right... and, I felt that was speaking too much for another poster. You ARE that asshole in that example, btw... And I don't care that you don't care. EDIT: The point of the story was that: YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE "CONCERNED" WITH THE DISPARITY IN STATUS TO BE CONCERNED WITH THE ACTUAL PLIGHT OF YOUR FELLOW MAN. You assuming that the poster is without empathy because he questions a non-used "privilege" just shows how much of a douche cunt-rag you really are.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 26, 2017 19:27:48 GMT
Good call. Comparing a systemic, maintained issue to the outcome of a random car accident is certainly a waste of time beyond giving a little insight into the basis for your past incomprehension of the matter.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 26, 2017 19:32:18 GMT
Good call. Comparing a systemic, maintained issue to the outcome of a random car accident is certainly a waste of time beyond giving a little insight into the basis for your past incomprehension of the matter. Nah.. You're just a ***. EDIT: HOLY ***!!! When did this board start editing out profanity??!!
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jul 26, 2017 19:40:55 GMT
Insightful counterpoint, man. Sorry about the filter - you're gonna lost 3/4 of your vocabulary.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 26, 2017 19:45:49 GMT
Insightful counterpoint, man. Sorry about the filter - you're gonna lost 3/4 of your vocabulary. I'll take " Things A *** Would Say" for a thousand, Alex.
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Post by kls on Jul 26, 2017 23:27:44 GMT
Not to be flip, but why should I care about a privilege I'll never use? For something to be a privilege it has to have a value or mean something to an individual. So a disparity in status or treatment is of little concern to you so long as it doesn't affect you directly... I never said that. I believe all should be treated well. The problem wouldn't be that I'm treated fairly, it would be that some aren't. It should be seen as a right to be treated fairly, not a privilege. It shouldn't be seen as you have it made if you aren't abused.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 26, 2017 23:48:42 GMT
NAme any BEM you think should be paid more than Chris Evans and why? White people represent about 87% of the British population, why wouldn't you expect white people to dominate any field? ... So name the woman you think should be paid as much as Evans and tell us why? Your 87% point may be taken as reasonable (if we ignore any weighting for ethnics in the entertainment business of course) ... until one recalls women make up 52% of the general population! So on that basis where is the equivalent representation in the top earners league at the BBC? Once again though, to isolate Evans as you do again, as the only example, is still to miss the wider point. And, if you are not implying that no ethnic or female could ever be worth what he is paid as you say, then perhaps the argument is more that no other ethnic or female could ever be worth as much as 9 out of 10 of the BBC's highest paid employees? Each time the implication broadens then, rightly, the more uncomfortable it ought to make one feel. I can only repeat here what I have already said; that no one is disputing the value of great talent, the issue is whether, if talent is really 'blind', why the top earners as a whole in the BBC are disproportionately white and male with only one female in the top ten. To argue that all nine white men are "just worth more" begs an uncomfortable question. Incidentally in answer to your repeated interrogation, a good few commentators have indeed questioned Evans' massive salary and its value to the licence holder, especially when comparing him to others at the BBC, male or female. I hope that helps. Repeating a question which does not address the obviousness of general white privilege and pay weighting as shown at the BBC, at least at the pay scales revealed, but instead focussing on just one individual's perceived value here is not helping, though I can see how the distraction would be useful. This does not effect the observation of the make up of the top earners in the BBC. As already mentioned, the only argument would be that, when considering the lop-sidedness of the group, women and ethnics can never, or very rarely, be worth the same as their white contemporaries. I don't think one can convincingly argue that Evans and Norton (or any of those other 9 out of 10 top earners at the BBC) are there 'just at the moment' over women and ethnics, and that the situation has ever been different.
I can see why you might wish to highlight a company example which is most favourable to your opinions; but here we are considering the specific example of the BBC ... where the only explanation offered so far for top earners being almost exclusively white and male generally is, apparently, that 'no one is a good as Evans'- even when the striking imbalance shows across the whole band of earners covered - i.e. not just between Evans and the nearest worker. But this is something I shan't repeat again.
Incidentally according to a 2016 report from the careers site Glassdoor, women in the UK earn 5.5 per cent less than their male counterparts for doing the exact same job. i.e, when you’re comparing apples and apples. “At this very detailed level, I thought we wouldn’t find anywhere near as big a pay gap as we did,” says Dr Andrew Chamberlain, chief economist at Glassdoor and the man behind the study. “That was my biggest surprise.” This while a report from the Women and Equalities Select Committee has argued that the pay gap has barely shrunk in the past four years despite the Government’s pledge to eradicate it in a generation.
Take any of the top male earners and explain why any female or BEM should be earning more. You keep avoiding this because you have no answer. Your attempt to imply racism and sexism in my question is just a deflection. And we once again arrive at the predictably avoided question. Which women or BEM do you think should be above any of the white men on that list? I don't really care if "commentators" have questioned his salary, unless they have a solid reason, its irrelevant. Personally I think he is an irritating shitbag, that doesn't change the numbers he brings in. Of course it does. You are arguing that more women should be in the top ten earning stars, but cannot name a single one who deserves to be there. All you are arguing for here is equality of outcome, which is idiotic. If I made a film staring Scarlett Johansson, Jennifer Lawrence, Dave Smith, Glenn close, a bloke I met in the pub and twitchy the tramp, you can bet your arse the women would earn more. No, the argument would be that currently, the people worth the most to the BBC are white males. There is also a reason that Claudia Winkleman is worth more to the BBC than Bruno Tonioli. Does the BBC not like gays? Italians? what is it? No, the argument is that nobody else is worth as much as Evans to the BBC. He has the highest rated radio show in the country and was at the time the main host of BBC 2's most popular show, a show that in 2015 was the BBC's top earning program. So yes, the host of the most important radio show AND most important TV show is probably going to earn more than the woman who reads the weather on BBC South West.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 27, 2017 0:46:10 GMT
So a disparity in status or treatment is of little concern to you so long as it doesn't affect you directly... I never said that. I believe all should be treated well. The problem wouldn't be that I'm treated fairly, it would be that some aren't. It should be seen as a right to be treated fairly, not a privilege. It shouldn't be seen as you have it made if you aren't abused.DING! DING! DING! WE HAVE A WINNAH!!
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 27, 2017 1:06:20 GMT
So a disparity in status or treatment is of little concern to you so long as it doesn't affect you directly... I never said that. I believe all should be treated well. The problem wouldn't be that I'm treated fairly, it would be that some aren't. It should be seen as a right to be treated fairly, not a privilege. It shouldn't be seen as you have it made if you aren't abused. Holy shit! That's a Vegas-level misunderstanding of the topic.
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Post by kls on Jul 27, 2017 1:16:53 GMT
I never said that. I believe all should be treated well. The problem wouldn't be that I'm treated fairly, it would be that some aren't. It should be seen as a right to be treated fairly, not a privilege. It shouldn't be seen as you have it made if you aren't abused. Holy shit! That's a Vegas-level misunderstanding of the topic. I've never heard it expressed in any way other than white people have it good for not having it bad. I think if the topic is race relations we should all treat everyone with respect and dignity. But if there is a misunderstanding on my part please clear it up.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 27, 2017 4:02:56 GMT
I never said that. I believe all should be treated well. The problem wouldn't be that I'm treated fairly, it would be that some aren't. It should be seen as a right to be treated fairly, not a privilege. It shouldn't be seen as you have it made if you aren't abused. Holy shit! That's a Vegas-level misunderstanding of the topic. Hey, Quasimodo... In a thread where we had to have THIS exchange: You don't get to say sht about "misunderstanding".
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Post by Vegas on Jul 27, 2017 4:52:07 GMT
I never said that. I believe all should be treated well. The problem wouldn't be that I'm treated fairly, it would be that some aren't. It should be seen as a right to be treated fairly, not a privilege. It shouldn't be seen as you have it made if you aren't abused. Holy shit! That's a Vegas-level misunderstanding of the topic. See... They'll call you stupid for misunderstanding that whites "have it made" in their idiotic minds... ..and, in the very next breath, call you stupid because you don't see that being white means that you live life on the "easy" setting. They'll call you stupid for not understanding their definition of the word "privilege"... because you are using the actual definition of the word "privilege". In other words, they're just whining a**holes who don't really know what the f**k they are whining about... but, you're stupid if you don't whine the exact same way that they whine. EDIT: FOR THE RECORD:
Of course, next you'll have to argue the definition of "special" with them....
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 27, 2017 7:56:14 GMT
Holy shit! That's a Vegas-level misunderstanding of the topic. See... They'll call you stupid for misunderstanding that whites "have it made" in their idiotic minds... ..and, in the very next breath, call you stupid because you don't see that being white means that you live life on the "easy" setting. They'll call you stupid for not understanding their definition of the word "privilege"... because you are using the actual definition of the word "privilege". In other words, they're just whining a**holes who don't really know what the f**k they are whining about... but, you're stupid if you don't whine the exact same way that they whine. EDIT: FOR THE RECORD:
Of course, next you'll have to argue the definition of "special" with them....
Or there could be people who need an explanation of the use of commas and the word or.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 27, 2017 10:16:11 GMT
Or there could be people who need an explanation of the use of commas and the word or. Concession noted, Drippy.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 27, 2017 10:25:49 GMT
Or there could be people who need an explanation of the use of commas and the word or. Concession noted, Drippy. Dude, just stop. After years of somebody like you ridiculously arguing with people who are all light years ahead of you mentally, even you have to realize by now that you are a complete fucking moron. You are literally too damn stupid to even carry on a conversation beyond "boobies and beer". Just start accepting your place in life as an abysmal fuckwit and deal with it the way all mentally and socially maladjusted nobodies deal with such realizations - get drunk and have a good cry. Maybe curl up in the fetal position and suck your thumb and find a security blanket. Just stop, for once, being a willful dumbass.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 27, 2017 10:32:48 GMT
Concession noted, Drippy. Dude, just stop. After years of somebody like you ridiculously arguing with people who are all light years ahead of you mentally, even you have to realize by now that you are a complete fucking moron. You are literally too damn stupid to even carry on a conversation beyond "boobies and beer". Just start accepting your place in life as an abysmal fuckwit and deal with it the way all mentally and socially maladjusted nobodies deal with such realizations - get drunk and have a good cry. Maybe curl up in the fetal position and suck your thumb and find a security blanket. Just stop, for once, being a willful dumbass. You're not light-years ahead of dark. Dude... Me thinks you think waaaaaaayyyyy too highly of your sad, pathetic self. You: - "B-but, Cine thinks I'm smaht!" - EDIT: Me:
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 27, 2017 10:42:20 GMT
Dude, just stop. After years of somebody like you ridiculously arguing with people who are all light years ahead of you mentally, even you have to realize by now that you are a complete fucking moron. You are literally too damn stupid to even carry on a conversation beyond "boobies and beer". Just start accepting your place in life as an abysmal fuckwit and deal with it the way all mentally and socially maladjusted nobodies deal with such realizations - get drunk and have a good cry. Maybe curl up in the fetal position and suck your thumb and find a security blanket. Just stop, for once, being a willful dumbass. You're not light-years ahead of dark. laugh:: Dude... Me thinks you think waaaaaaayyyyy too highly of your sad, pathetic self. You: - "B-but, Cine thinks I'm smaht!" - EDIT: Me: I'm sure you impress, well, Erjen...maybe.
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