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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 29, 2017 10:17:21 GMT
Yeah, I'm sure you've already forgotten that i proved your "gangster science" bullshit was nothing but the impotent ramblings of an imbecile. The only thing that you have proved is that you have proved nothing. And perhaps you shouldn't try to fill Cinemachinery's shoes, especially when you can't even fill your own. I proved you're a gullible imbecile. Your denial is as irrelevant as your opinions about anything. But keep crying, little boy. It suits you.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 29, 2017 10:21:21 GMT
The only thing that you have proved is that you have proved nothing. And perhaps you shouldn't try to fill Cinemachinery's shoes, especially when you can't even fill your own. I proved you're a gullible imbecile. Your denial is as irrelevant as your opinions about anything. But keep crying, little boy. It suits you.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 29, 2017 10:32:10 GMT
I proved you're a gullible imbecile. Your denial is as irrelevant as your opinions about anything. But keep crying, little boy. It suits you. ^Typical Erjen the Fuckwit.
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Post by PanLeo on Jul 29, 2017 11:25:15 GMT
Not read the entire thread yet, but one point is worth commenting on. Work comfortably (or walk down a public street) without the fear of sexual harassment Walk alone at night without the fear of being raped or otherwise harmed So now lets look at a few areas where women have it better. Men are more likely to be murdered Men are more likely to be assaulted Men are more likely to be robbed Men make up the vast majority of workplace deaths. These areas where men have it worse are not examples of female privilege, they are a consequence of male privilege. In fact, those listed above. W arehen women are expected or forced to stay home and not get a job, then of course they will be less likely to be mugged or murdered by strangers, or have workplace deaths. If you have the freedom to do something, and this something comes with risks: Is not being exposed to these risks a privilege of those who are denied the freedom to do that something? I say no. Even if what you say is true there is no denying that male privilege results in female privilege.
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Post by Vegas on Jul 29, 2017 13:08:30 GMT
It's good to see that Youtube videos still trump academics. First off... I've stated in the past that using YouTube links (especially of the opinion kind) don't really prove a thing. I was just being a tad cheeky in showing a few opinions of black people that Cine, as a white person will ignore, because his white opinion on race issues trumps theirs in his mind. But, I see Cine has already given you the affirmation that you desired. So.. Happy ending! (Cine is known for giving a quite a few of those to the guys like you)
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Post by Vegas on Jul 29, 2017 13:09:49 GMT
Responding to "countless studies have been linked..." with Youtube token vids feels like something I'd post while lampooning him. Missed my window I guess. What?.. You returned to a thread that you said you were leaving?? What will the neighbors think??!
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 29, 2017 14:01:00 GMT
It's good to see that Youtube videos still trump academics. First off... I've stated in the past that using YouTube links (especially of the opinion kind) don't really prove a thing. I was just being a tad cheeky in showing a few opinions of black people that Cine, as a white person will ignore, because his white opinion on race issues trumps theirs in his mind. But, I see Cine has already given you the affirmation that you desired. So.. Happy ending! (Cine is known for giving a quite a few of those to the guys like you) Goddamn, are you ever going to develop self-awareness and stop being a fucking imbecile?
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Post by Vegas on Jul 29, 2017 15:16:08 GMT
First off... I've stated in the past that using YouTube links (especially of the opinion kind) don't really prove a thing. I was just being a tad cheeky in showing a few opinions of black people that Cine, as a white person will ignore, because his white opinion on race issues trumps theirs in his mind. But, I see Cine has already given you the affirmation that you desired. So.. Happy ending! (Cine is known for giving a quite a few of those to the guys like you) Goddamn, are you ever going to develop self-awareness and stop being a fucking imbecile? "Projection", indeed... in deed.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 29, 2017 21:44:07 GMT
Not read the entire thread yet, but one point is worth commenting on. Work comfortably (or walk down a public street) without the fear of sexual harassment Walk alone at night without the fear of being raped or otherwise harmed So now lets look at a few areas where women have it better. Men are more likely to be murdered Men are more likely to be assaulted Men are more likely to be robbed Men make up the vast majority of workplace deaths. These areas where men have it worse are not examples of female privilege, they are a consequence of male privilege. In fact, those listed above. When women are expected or forced to stay home and not get a job, then of course they will be less likely to be mugged or murdered by strangers, or have workplace deaths. If you have the freedom to do something, and this something comes with risks: Is not being exposed to these risks a privilege of those who are denied the freedom to do that something? I say no. Well, ok, except thats just something you dreamt up. You can offer no statistical evidence to support this assertion. At best you could show a correlation between more men being employed than women but that would be a country mile from any kind of causation. And it isn't 1952 anymore, granddad. Women make up about 45% of the UK workforce. Yet men are 95% of workplace deaths, 66% of murders, 70% of robberies and 60% of assaults. So even if we take your fantasy, made up reason for this, men would still be over represented.
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Post by phludowin on Jul 29, 2017 22:34:06 GMT
Not read the entire thread yet, but one point is worth commenting on. These areas where men have it worse are not examples of female privilege, they are a consequence of male privilege. In fact, those listed above. When women are expected or forced to stay home and not get a job, then of course they will be less likely to be mugged or murdered by strangers, or have workplace deaths. If you have the freedom to do something, and this something comes with risks: Is not being exposed to these risks a privilege of those who are denied the freedom to do that something? I say no. Well, ok, except thats just something you dreamt up. You can offer no statistical evidence to support this assertion. www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/05/28/this-is-how-women-feel-about-walking-alone-at-night-in-their-own-neighborhoods/?utm_term=.c5f69850cbd1www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11246569/Reclaim-the-Night-march-2014-Why-do-women-still-need-it.htmlYou were saying? In what professions? I am pretty sure that if we compare men and women per profession, there is no significant difference in workplace fatalities genderwise. Is it the women's fault if men like to work riskier jobs and prevent women from getting these jobs? Again: Is this statistic taking account daytimes and male/female ration of people on streets at the times when most murders, robberies and assaults occur? I guess not.
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Post by kls on Jul 29, 2017 22:44:36 GMT
I don't know that men prevent women from getting those jobs so much as we might not be as likely to want them. Which is fine (so long as there isn't complaints about those jobs men hold that are risky tend to get paid more for assuming the risk).
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Post by phludowin on Jul 29, 2017 22:50:23 GMT
I don't know that men prevent women from getting those jobs so much as we might not be as likely to want them. Which is fine (so long as there isn't complaints about those jobs men hold that are risky tend to get paid more for assuming the risk). These jobs usually are better paid. And in Germany, until a few years or decades ago, there were laws in place that prevented women from getting some high-risk jobs. This may have changed; but just because laws are changed does not mean that mentality follows quickly. Just because Jim Crow laws have been abolished does not mean that racism in the southern USA does not exist.
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Post by kls on Jul 29, 2017 22:58:03 GMT
I don't know that men prevent women from getting those jobs so much as we might not be as likely to want them. Which is fine (so long as there isn't complaints about those jobs men hold that are risky tend to get paid more for assuming the risk). These jobs usually are better paid. And in Germany, until a few years or decades ago, there were laws in place that prevented women from getting some high-risk jobs. This may have changed; but just because laws are changed does not mean that mentality follows quickly. Just because Jim Crow laws have been abolished does not mean that racism in the southern USA does not exist. I understand there could still be roadblocks in some instances. But I don't think women are going for the dangerous jobs in all that significant numbers for the most part.
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Post by phludowin on Jul 29, 2017 23:22:08 GMT
I understand there could still be roadblocks in some instances. But I don't think women are going for the dangerous jobs in all that significant numbers for the most part. It's possible; but it's not what I read in German feminist magazine EMMA. So, the gender pay gap and the gender death rate are two sides of the same medal: Unequal representance of men and women in various jobs, and correlation between risk and pay. But if this representation is voluntary (men volunteering for risky jobs, and women not volunteering for risky jobs), then neither side should complain about the differences in pay or death rates. Whether the unequal representation in jobs is really voluntary remains an open question. You have your evidence for it; I have my evidence against it. We are probably both partly right.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 30, 2017 11:12:05 GMT
Why do you never use anything to support your claims that actually supports your claims? Those pieces are talking about how women fear being alone at night, right? SO what does that have to do with your claim that men get attacked more because they are more free to work? Literally nothing. What it shows is that women fear violence more. It doesn't show they are at greater risk, because they aren't. Yes, jobs do affect workplace fatalities, what about assault and murder? No, the police probably don't record the ratio of the sex of bystanders to murders or assaults.......Because its irrelevant.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 30, 2017 11:28:46 GMT
I don't know that men prevent women from getting those jobs so much as we might not be as likely to want them. Which is fine (so long as there isn't complaints about those jobs men hold that are risky tend to get paid more for assuming the risk). The more open societies of The West show a greater gender imbalance in the areas feminists complain about. We have less women working in STEM than places like China. When you give women total freedom to choose a career them tend (#notall) to go for for carer and arts based careers. This is simply the consequence of a liberal society. The NHS is the largest public sector employer in the UK. 75% of its workforce is female. The vast majority of teachers in the UK are female. Nobody is forcing women into these careers. Every effort to boost female admission into areas like physics and maths has failed..More women attend and graduate from University, but they don't tend to do science, maths or engineering Feminists refuse to accept this is a natural occurrence, because they don't want to accept that there are differences in the genders. So they start banging on about how women are held back somehow from doing STEM but can't really offer any explanation for it. Were you told at school you couldn't be a mathematician?
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Post by kls on Jul 30, 2017 11:54:23 GMT
I don't know that men prevent women from getting those jobs so much as we might not be as likely to want them. Which is fine (so long as there isn't complaints about those jobs men hold that are risky tend to get paid more for assuming the risk). The more open societies of The West show a greater gender imbalance in the areas feminists complain about. We have less women working in STEM than places like China. When you give women total freedom to choose a career them tend (#notall) to go for for carer and arts based careers. This is simply the consequence of a liberal society. The NHS is the largest public sector employer in the UK. 75% of its workforce is female. The vast majority of teachers in the UK are female. Nobody is forcing women into these careers. Every effort to boost female admission into areas like physics and maths has failed..More women attend and graduate from University, but they don't tend to do science, maths or engineering Feminists refuse to accept this is a natural occurrence, because they don't want to accept that there are differences in the genders. So they start banging on about how women are held back somehow from doing STEM but can't really offer any explanation for it. Were you told at school you couldn't be a mathematician? I wasn't. Nobody could have pushed me into mathematics or stem cell research. I wanted to be a teacher and I'm happy and satisfied that's what I went for.
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Post by phludowin on Jul 30, 2017 13:10:43 GMT
I don't know that men prevent women from getting those jobs so much as we might not be as likely to want them. Which is fine (so long as there isn't complaints about those jobs men hold that are risky tend to get paid more for assuming the risk). The more open societies of The West show a greater gender imbalance in the areas feminists complain about. We have less women working in STEM than places like China. When you give women total freedom to choose a career them tend (#notall) to go for for carer and arts based careers. This is simply the consequence of a liberal society. The NHS is the largest public sector employer in the UK. 75% of its workforce is female. The vast majority of teachers in the UK are female. Nobody is forcing women into these careers. Every effort to boost female admission into areas like physics and maths has failed..More women attend and graduate from University, but they don't tend to do science, maths or engineering If this were true (and I'm not saying it is), then people had themselves to blame if they took on risky jobs; so differences in workplace fatalities would be men's fault, not feminists' fault; so creating OPs about how men have it worse because they have more workplace accidents, is really just acting like a whiny snowflake.
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Post by phludowin on Jul 30, 2017 13:17:40 GMT
Why do you never use anything to support your claims that actually supports your claims? Those pieces are talking about how women fear being alone at night, right? SO what does that have to do with your claim that men get attacked more because they feel more free to walk alone at night? Literally everything. Fixed it for you. If women feel afraid at night, they will go out less, and therefore won't provide potential targets to muggers. Where are the statistics that show that women and men are present equally outside at night? My guess: They don't exist. Moving the goalposts from victims to bystanders? Why am I not surprised? I repeat: People who are not on the streets will not be attacked on the streets. If more men than women are on the streets, then more men than women are likely to be attacked on the streets.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 30, 2017 13:23:54 GMT
The more open societies of The West show a greater gender imbalance in the areas feminists complain about. We have less women working in STEM than places like China. When you give women total freedom to choose a career them tend (#notall) to go for for carer and arts based careers. This is simply the consequence of a liberal society. The NHS is the largest public sector employer in the UK. 75% of its workforce is female. The vast majority of teachers in the UK are female. Nobody is forcing women into these careers. Every effort to boost female admission into areas like physics and maths has failed..More women attend and graduate from University, but they don't tend to do science, maths or engineering If this were true (and I'm not saying it is), then people had themselves to blame if they took on risky jobs; so differences in workplace fatalities would be men's fault, not feminists' fault; so creating OPs about how men have it worse because they have more workplace accidents, is really just acting like a whiny snowflake. Was the thread about how men have it worse because of workplace fatalities? Or was that a single example in a long list? This is again a strawman by you. What you quoted doesn't even have anything to do with the point you are trying to make. Nothing in that statement by me was untrue. But once again you choose to attack it from a position of ignorance based on your narrative of social justice bullshit. You guys are all for "lived experience" and "listen and believe" until that lived experience counters your narrative. KLS above just confirmed she is a teacher because that is the career she wanted. Given she chose a career over a job, I would assume she is the kind of person who is likely to work to get what she wants. Good luck explaining to her how she really wanted to be a chemical engineer, but was coursed by "Teh Patriarchy" to have a good girly job. And after you've convinced her, maybe you could do the same for the hundreds of thousands of women teachers and nurses and care workers in the UK. I'm sure they'll accept your manspalaining with good grace. Why do you feminists have such a low opinion of women?
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