EP702: Stormborn (Spoiler discussion)

You must hate your chihuahua to disrespect it like that.

On a serious note, I liked that Theon didn't sacrifice himself by going for sure death. May be he freaked out or may be wanted to give himself a chance of saving his sister. Either way better than some stupid death.

An 8. I liked it.

I liked:
-Naval battle.
-OLENNA!!!! She may not die. I forbid it!
-Dead sandsnakes. When they started that "mama" shyte? Oh, my God..
-Euron. Hes quite mad but entertaining all the same.
-Nymeria.

Wheres Ghost?

Poor Theon. That scene was unexpectedly touching for me. And the look on whats her names face when she saw the fear in him. She actually cried. She didn't even cry watching her fleet get torched. Maybe Theon will pull off a win, though. Somehow, Im hopeful.

Missandei and Greyworm are two very well built people. Lol I didn't care to see them "make love" but I was pleased with their nakedness all the same. Lol

Booo, Melisandre`. Boo! She killed our princess and made Ser Davos cry.

Dany drilling Varys had to happen but I didnt like her for doing it. Leave Varys alone. All the work hes done with Tyrion to clean up her mess in mereen--and NOW she wants to question his loyalty? If not for him, shed be dead. Im glad that he stood his ground.

The Queen in the North. Im actually terrified at the prospect.lol Its Sansas right to rule, I support that. I just dont have faith in her abilities. Yet. lol
Davos leaving is not a good thing for her. Hopefully Arya will hurry. Speaking of- I think Arya will be the one to kill LF. Wasnt it foreshadowed a season or two back? Sansa said that no one could protect her. Well, who is Arya but everyone and "no one"? Im grasping but its possible.

Randyll Tarly is surprisingly honorable. I liked that very much.

Why is Cersei so smart now? Did she drink a potion or something?

Why is Cersei still alive? Shes weak and she blew up a sept with beloved people and others inside. The villagers were eating, beating and raping nobles for less in season 2.

Lyanna Mormont. They should back her down a bit. Some of her lines should be given to someone else, in my opinion.

I like your write up. I wanted to comment on some too.
The naval battle, like someone else said somewhere, was beautifully done. The pan out scene when Yara was just staring out at all the mayhem was awesome!
I love Olenna, but I do not like what she said to Dany at all. I think that's foreshadowing to some later bad decisions by Dany.
Nymeria-did she turn away because she rejected Arya or did she agree to go with her? She left her alive, which indicates that she remembered Arya but I was a little confused by her actions. Were she and her wolf pack coming up on and eating stragglers in the woods and found Arya by accident just roaming or did she approach Arya because she knew or remembered her?
Theon-I thought Yara was crying because she realized Theon wasn't going to save her, after all the work she put in trying to get him back to the old Theon and realizing he wasn't the old Theon, or was she just crying because everything they'd done up until now was ending? I didn't notice her shaking her head 'no' or anything to indicate what she wanted him to do so I wasn't sure what was going on there.
I didn't mind Dany's interrogation of Varys and I thought her concerns were well thought out and with merit but yeah, she should have taken into account what he's done already for her. The timing was a little off; it should have been done earlier. Still, Tyrion is her hand and he trusts A
Varys. I thought Varys handled himself well.
I think Jon leaving Sansa in charge was a move to placate her but I hope it doesn't bite him in the ass. He now knows littlefinger's deal and should have arranged for an "accident" to happen lol. Seriously, letting him sit in on strategy sessions when he knows Littlefinger doesn't belong there is weird and off. How does he know Littlefinger won't leave at some point and make his way south to tell all? Sure, he's in love with Sansa, but would he make a deal to leave her alive and with him to secure the north if he told all to Cersei? He's such a wildcard we don't know what he's thinking, but we know he'll side with whoever is easiest to control to get him what he wants. Sansa is easier to control than Cersei but he is still a potential threat to Jon and his mission. I just don't get it. I do hope Arya kills him, that would be awesome.
I wanted to throttle Cersei when she was telling the other houses her spin on what was going on. Half truths and spinning. Typical and necessary though, they'd all do the same in her position and she needs them backing her. I just don't like it. And I liked the dragon killing spear catapult even less. The only thing worse than watching dire wolves be killed will be watching dragons be killed.
Lyanna-at least in this episode she was actually speaking against Jon, so that's something different. As much as he respects her, even she didn't sway him from his decision. I can't wait for this meetup. I wonder how he'll feel when he sees Melisandre and knows she arranged it.

EDiT: Randyll Tarley, fuck that guy and his loyalty. He should have shown more of it to his own damn family re: Sam. He's a shitty, nasty person. I'll be happy to see him die.

I loved the episode despite being in strong disagreement with Tyrion's plan which is nonsensical to me. A solid 8.

I think the naval battle was great but I also hope it's not the only one that happens. I really want an episode 9 level navy battle and especially considering the size of both armadas

My fears and certainty of at least one dragon death are coming to fruition. I hope it's not Dany's favorite.

I read the Arya scene wrong. At first I was thinking the wolf scene was symbolic of Arya not really being a part of the North either anymore. Now I'm thinking it's more that she realizes the North is where she belongs as is the case with the rest of her surviving siblings. So maybe she won't become a serial killer after all...Or rather anymore.

It would have been better to send Sansa to see Dany, but considering the importance built up for Jon & Dany, it makes sense from a story perspective that these two meet and do whatever the fans think they are supposed to do since the writers are apparently basing their story off of the fans anyway.

I'm glad I never forgave Theon. however, I also like the fact that considering the amount of time he was tortured coupled with his loser personality in the first place, it makes sense that he would all of a sudden convert to being a good man.

My chihuahua barks at strangers from behind me. He knows how he is.

I think Theon bailed because he knew attacking Euron would not result in death. He knows Euron, he knows his uncle would keep both and torture them. The last thing Theon wanted was to face another version of Ramsay. If Theon thought Euron would simply kill him, I think he would have gone for it.

Randall Tarly is the biggest problem for me. He's pledged to House Tyrell, and Cersei murdered both Margaery and Loras. Unless they've been circulating a story of the wildfire being set off accidentally at coincidentally the exact right time.

The show simply doesn't explain Euron very well.

For all we know he is wearing the strongest army money (Or maybe via the iron price...) can buy which is why he can withstand damage plus is so reckless.

I just wish someone had aimed for his head.

The thing I do like about him is he is far smarter than he appears which makes for an interesting character.

Crazy new theory is on the table...

The title of the episode is "Stormborn". This of course is one of Daenerys' names, but many times in the past episode titles have double meanings (see Second Sons).

The Prince that was Promised was also prominently discussed in the episode, with the gender-neutrality of the term pointing the way to Dany. But a closely-related prophecy is that of Azor Ahai (it's hotly debated whether these are the same person). Part of the prophecy of Azor Ahai goes: "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone."
Melisandre has pointed to Stannis as Azor Ahai in earlier seasons, and of course the description could also fit Dany...

But then the last scene of the episode happened. Yeah, yeah, cool ship battle, Euron becomes a fan hero for wiping out the Sand Snakes, Ellaria is the gift, Team Dany suffers their first casualties, etc... But the big dramatic moment is Theon going back to Reek mode. Now Theon is an interesting character in that he's gone through some major stuff throughout this show, but it's never been clear what his ultimate role might be. I.e., why is he still alive?

So here's the theory... Euron's ship makes a grand entrance via some kind of storm on the water. "Born again" is a term often associated with baptism and it's a commonly used trope to have a character get immersed in water signifying a major transition in their arc. Theon jumps into the sea to escape a battle in which Euron's fleet is throwing fireballs everywhere. Salt. Smoke. Storm. Born (again).

Could Theon ultimately be Azor Ahai?