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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 29, 2017 6:18:37 GMT
Enjoy. Disclaimer: The usual. My thoughts: According to this, Christianity is seen as a grave threat to the establishment of a global government. Gee, I wonder why.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 14:28:12 GMT
Interesting vid! I watched most of it. But, towards the end I thought it kind of dumb to suggest there is something inherently traitorous in the charging and collecting of taxes. And, also, if there really is a group of puppet masters (don't doubt the rich get richer through wars and funding both sides etc.. makes sense) but if there are puppet masters with an ancient religious belief system , I think Christian institutions and some so called Christians are more asset than hindrance to their cause. Ever watch Francis and Friends? Trump could fit the conspiracy theory proposed because he truly is dividing a country. Do you think he's a mason on the payroll? He's certainly an opportunist looking to makes few bucks but is he willing to sell the American people out? Or maybe he's just too dumb to realise he's doing the same as many of those before him? I dunno. Time will tell. Whatever the truth of it in the end it's the same old same old, the innocent suffer and the cruel make money off of their sufferings.
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Post by maya55555 on Jul 29, 2017 17:49:14 GMT
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The one thing that I was taught at college, was to read everything, when you are studying history and religion. You will begin to see a pattern develop as to which group will benefit from what ever policies are enacted. We were taught also to scrutinize the books we were reading; the author's background, time it was written, etc..
I could go on at length about this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 21:49:52 GMT
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The one thing that I was taught at college, was to read everything, when you are studying history and religion. You will begin to see a pattern develop as to which group will benefit from what ever policies are enacted. We were taught also to scrutinize the books we were reading; the author's background, time it was written, etc..
I could go on at length about this. That's a good lesson to have learnt. It takes a lot of effort time wise though to do that kind of research. Most people don't have so much free time to do that kind of study. We rely so much on the media and ordinary people have been let down terribly. We have independent authorities to consider the quality of food we eat. People pay good money to go to a Michelin star restaurant cos they know it will be quality. And yet so little time or energy is spent by society considering the quality of information we are expected to digest through the airwaves , tv, and online. The world needs to have a conversation about this maya.
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Post by maya55555 on Jul 30, 2017 1:27:23 GMT
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Thank you for your honest and kind response.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 30, 2017 2:50:07 GMT
Interesting vid! I watched most of it. But, towards the end I thought it kind of dumb to suggest there is something inherently traitorous in the charging and collecting of taxes. And, also, if there really is a group of puppet masters (don't doubt the rich get richer through wars and funding both sides etc.. makes sense) but if there are puppet masters with an ancient religious belief system , I think Christian institutions and some so called Christians are more asset than hindrance to their cause. Ever watch Francis and Friends? Trump could fit the conspiracy theory proposed because he truly is dividing a country. Do you think he's a mason on the payroll? He's certainly an opportunist looking to makes few bucks but is he willing to sell the American people out? Or maybe he's just too dumb to realise he's doing the same as many of those before him? I dunno. Time will tell. Whatever the truth of it in the end it's the same old same old, the innocent suffer and the cruel make money off of their sufferings. I think the suggestion that they use blackmail is plausible. Take Senator John McCain for example. Suppose they had proof that he cooperated with the enemy when he was in the Hanoi Hilton? If it were me, I would simply tell the truth. I would say hey, they tortured me, and I couldn't take it anymore, and I cooperated with the enemy. End of story. Then again, I'm not in the position that he is in.
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Post by rizdek on Jul 30, 2017 12:47:46 GMT
Interesting vid! I watched most of it. But, towards the end I thought it kind of dumb to suggest there is something inherently traitorous in the charging and collecting of taxes. And, also, if there really is a group of puppet masters (don't doubt the rich get richer through wars and funding both sides etc.. makes sense) but if there are puppet masters with an ancient religious belief system , I think Christian institutions and some so called Christians are more asset than hindrance to their cause. Ever watch Francis and Friends? Trump could fit the conspiracy theory proposed because he truly is dividing a country. Do you think he's a mason on the payroll? He's certainly an opportunist looking to makes few bucks but is he willing to sell the American people out? Or maybe he's just too dumb to realise he's doing the same as many of those before him? I dunno. Time will tell. Whatever the truth of it in the end it's the same old same old, the innocent suffer and the cruel make money off of their sufferings. I think the suggestion that they use blackmail is plausible. Take Senator John McCain for example. Suppose they had proof that he cooperated with the enemy when he was in the Hanoi Hilton? If it were me, I would simply tell the truth. I would say hey, they tortured me, and I couldn't take it anymore, and I cooperated with the enemy. End of story. Then again, I'm not in the position that he is in. You mean when he voted no on the "skinny repeal" bill that someone had threatened him that they'd disclose this proof? First, I've already heard many talk about how he supposedly cooperated. So it wouldn't exactly be earth shaking news. Second, one might wonder what would serve as "proof." Certainly I'd be skeptical of just about anything I can imagine that someone might produce as evidence. Certainly not a document. Certainly not a personal testimony or even many personal testimonies. If you are thinking about his no vote, I think it was a deal he made with many other Republicans who didn't want to vote yes, but realized they might become a target of Trump if they did. So they kind of used McCain as they used Obama in the past. They happily voted to repeal knowing full well Obama would veto it and they'd never actually have to face their constituents having actually been part of the group that actually repealed ACA. So now, many could comfortably vote yes knowing full well McCain was going to vote no and again same them from actually being responsible for repealing ACA. McCain who probably doesn't see himself running again and who wouldn't mind humiliating Trump one last time was happy to be the scape goat. At least that's how I see what probably happened.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 30, 2017 14:41:30 GMT
I think the suggestion that they use blackmail is plausible. Take Senator John McCain for example. Suppose they had proof that he cooperated with the enemy when he was in the Hanoi Hilton? If it were me, I would simply tell the truth. I would say hey, they tortured me, and I couldn't take it anymore, and I cooperated with the enemy. End of story. Then again, I'm not in the position that he is in. You mean when he voted no on the "skinny repeal" bill that someone had threatened him that they'd disclose this proof? First, I've already heard many talk about how he supposedly cooperated. So it wouldn't exactly be earth shaking news. Second, one might wonder what would serve as "proof." Certainly I'd be skeptical of just about anything I can imagine that someone might produce as evidence. Certainly not a document. Certainly not a personal testimony or even many personal testimonies. If you are thinking about his no vote, I think it was a deal he made with many other Republicans who didn't want to vote yes, but realized they might become a target of Trump if they did. So they kind of used McCain as they used Obama in the past. They happily voted to repeal knowing full well Obama would veto it and they'd never actually have to face their constituents having actually been part of the group that actually repealed ACA. So now, many could comfortably vote yes knowing full well McCain was going to vote no and again same them from actually being responsible for repealing ACA. McCain who probably doesn't see himself running again and who wouldn't mind humiliating Trump one last time was happy to be the scape goat. At least that's how I see what probably happened. What would serve as proof? Film. Photos. Recordings. Letters signed by him. Even if it was obtained under duress it could be highly damaging to his reputation. And you are correct, it was his recent "no" vote that got me to use him as an example, although when a friend of mine told me it hardly came as a surprise. My friend still seems to think that vaudeville baggy-pants three-ring clown show in Washington DC is real. I told her that the new health care system for the entire world is already written, and that the fuss she sees on the TV is to give the impression that we do things democratically. She agreed with me, but often when people agree with me I get the impression that they're just humoring the crazy man. If I'm ever on an airliner and see a gremlin on the wing, I'm going to keep my mouth shut about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 16:23:14 GMT
]I'm not familiar with the Hanoi story but when I heard the result I suspected the same as rizdek ie it was convenient way for others to avoid any backlash.
Been a crazy week in politics.. when before in history, in the space of only one week, have the pentagon , the Boy Scouts and police chiefs across the country had to correct the president publicly and publicly clarify matters to him? Crazy stuff!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 30, 2017 16:33:11 GMT
I think the suggestion that they use blackmail is plausible. Take Senator John McCain for example. Suppose they had proof that he cooperated with the enemy when he was in the Hanoi Hilton? If it were me, I would simply tell the truth. I would say hey, they tortured me, and I couldn't take it anymore, and I cooperated with the enemy. End of story. Then again, I'm not in the position that he is in. I'm not familiar with the theory re Hanoi but when I heard the result and suspected the same as rizdek ie it was convenient for others to avoid the backlash. The talk radio people I listen to while driving to work and back say that the Republicans will have to come up with something before the 2018 election, or else try to defend the indefensible to those who voted for them. I'm not so sure. Any number of things could happen between now and 2018. The world could be turned upside down (either figuratively or literally), and arguing about healthcare will have to wait. Regarding your edit, yes, it's crazy. I was born around the time of the Tonkin Gulf Incident, and the crazy then has nothing on the crazy that's happening now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 16:37:39 GMT
I'm not familiar with the theory re Hanoi but when I heard the result and suspected the same as rizdek ie it was convenient for others to avoid the backlash. The talk radio people I listen to while driving to work and back say that the Republicans will have to come up with something before the 2018 election, or else try to defend the indefensible to those who voted for them. I'm not so sure. Any number of things could happen between now and 2018. The world could be turned upside down (either figuratively or literally), and arguing about healthcare will have to wait. Time will tell! Hopefully cool and calm heads will prevail no matter what way the earth spins
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