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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 31, 2017 22:36:31 GMT
blackness. Not nothing like atheists believe in which you simply no longer exist. But nothing like a blank black emptiness, but you're still conscious and aware of yourself and all you can do is stare straight ahead into the blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY! Sorta like Hell minus the fire, pain and physical torture. ONLY mental torture of being alone, unable to move (no longer have a body) and surrounded in blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 23:38:59 GMT
Then it doesn't really matter, because after a few weeks of it you'd be so insane that you wouldn't be aware of anything that was going on anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 23:41:04 GMT
If you can conceive of blackness/ emptiness it suggests you can understand their opposites and dream them up too. (Otherwise how would blackness be understood conceptually?)
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 1, 2017 0:57:33 GMT
“You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.” ― Mark Twain, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court |
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Post by thefleetsin on Aug 1, 2017 1:05:49 GMT
as of this date, this very moment in time, there is absolutely no evidence of any sort of after life.
there is however, loads of profitable wishful thinking.
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 1, 2017 1:10:19 GMT
as of this date, this very moment in time, there is absolutely no evidence of any sort of after life. there is however, loads of profitable wishful thinking. Has there ever been anyone more proud of being more ignorant? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 1:20:42 GMT
That sounds like the endgame of quantum immortality. Every time you die, your consciousness shifts to a parallel universe in which you didn't die. Eventually, you end up in a universe in which the only life form which can be supported is you. And it is effectively a hell of eternal torture.
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Post by clusium on Aug 1, 2017 2:40:37 GMT
blackness. Not nothing like atheists believe in which you simply no longer exist. But nothing like a blank black emptiness, but you're still conscious and aware of yourself and all you can do is stare straight ahead into the blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY! Sorta like Hell minus the fire, pain and physical torture. ONLY mental torture of being alone, unable to move (no longer have a body) and surrounded in blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY. Just who invited this Buzzkill to this forum?  |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 1, 2017 3:05:56 GMT
sounds like when im at work
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Post by camimac on Aug 1, 2017 3:27:04 GMT
I don't believe it will be like that, but if it is then there is nothing we can do about it.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Aug 1, 2017 8:17:30 GMT
as of this date, this very moment in time, there is absolutely no evidence of any sort of after life. there is however, loads of profitable wishful thinking. Has there ever been anyone more proud of being more ignorant? Are you saying there is evidence of an afterlife? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 1, 2017 10:24:01 GMT
Has there ever been anyone more proud of being more ignorant? Are you saying there is evidence of an afterlife? What I have discussed on this board before is evidence of spiritual phenomena. Some of that can suggest an afterlife is possible. What makes the proof difficult for audiences far and wide to accept is that any proof requires control of the location. For example Akiane Kramarik's mother would know whether Akiane actually painted the pictures attributed to her at an extremely young age. Most of the rest of the world can easily believe someone else painted them. Her mother has control of the location, we do not. That might not be an example of "spiritual" phenomena -- just an exceptionally intelligent child, but it explains the point about control of location in other cases. In the movie, The Exorcist, are examples of "proofs of the spirit" that are not about exceptional intelligence, but knowledge through other than the physical bodily senses. The "demon" says things to Father Karras that only Father Karras would know. One is the comment made to the priest by a beggar. Another is the comment made by his mother to him while visiting her in the state hospital. Of course in similar cases there might be a conspiracy. The beggar might have been in league with confederates who knew who the priest was and what he was doing, rather than being a random stranger. His own mother might have been in league with confederates. But because of his "control" of those locations the evidence was rather strong -- for him. That was just a movie, but it explains how proofs work in real life cases. It helps explain why some people on this board often insist there is "no" evidence. Also in real life cases the people who are quite certain they had control of the location and are convinced themselves of some spiritual phenomena usually do not attempt to persuade audiences far and wide of those because they understand as explained here the futility of trying to convince someone who "was not there." Some others do try to tell others about spiritual experiences and perhaps you have heard of those. I have heard personal stories from many people, but they explained that those messages were "for" some specific person or small group. Messages that were "for" the church were told in church. Some people get messages that are "for" the wide world. Of course those mean going forward without the ability to "prove" the message. Those people often believe a god directed them specifically to go forward though perhaps without proof appearing any time soon. If Akiane did paint at an extremely young age that could be considered evidence of reincarnation. Quite many people do appear to learn things at an exceptional pace and perhaps reincarnation is the explanation there. Scientists believe that some knowledge in various creatures is passed on through the genes. An alternate explanation there would be reincarnation. Using the point that so few people recall past lives can be convincing that there is no reincarnation, but then most people can't remember what they had for lunch last week. |
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Post by captainbryce on Aug 1, 2017 11:14:11 GMT
blackness. Not nothing like atheists believe in which you simply no longer exist. But nothing like a blank black emptiness, but you're still conscious and aware of yourself and all you can do is stare straight ahead into the blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY! Sorta like Hell minus the fire, pain and physical torture. ONLY mental torture of being alone, unable to move (no longer have a body) and surrounded in blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY. What is the point of the question? I do not have any reason to believe that it will be how you describe it. However, whatever exists after death, then that's what exists. We have no ability to change it and it is what it is. |
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Post by chalk2 on Aug 1, 2017 11:21:50 GMT
If you can conceive of blackness/ emptiness it suggests you can understand their opposites and dream them up too. (Otherwise how would blackness be understood conceptually?) OMG now that is basically something I have said to people since I was a child and asked them to picture 'nothing'. If you come up with anything then that's 'something'.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 11:44:20 GMT
If you can conceive of blackness/ emptiness it suggests you can understand their opposites and dream them up too. (Otherwise how would blackness be understood conceptually?) OMG now that is basically something I have said to people since I was a child and asked them to picture 'nothing'. If you come up with anything then that's 'something'. It's a fun challenge.  When I'm far into meditation, I often try to turn my mind off completely, keep it still and think of nothing (so there are zero thoughts). Involuntary thoughts just come like dream imagery. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 1, 2017 13:07:39 GMT
If you can conceive of blackness/ emptiness it suggests you can understand their opposites and dream them up too. (Otherwise how would blackness be understood conceptually?) OMG now that is basically something I have said to people since I was a child and asked them to picture 'nothing'. If you come up with anything then that's 'something'. What about dreamless sleep? How do you know you had dreamless sleep? You remember going to sleep at 11 p.m. and waking at 7 a.m. but "nothing" else. Dreamless sleep is then the hole between 11 and 7. How am I doing? |
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Post by chalk2 on Aug 1, 2017 13:13:20 GMT
OMG now that is basically something I have said to people since I was a child and asked them to picture 'nothing'. If you come up with anything then that's 'something'. What about dreamless sleep? How do you know you had dreamless sleep? You remember going to sleep at 11 p.m. and waking at 7 a.m. but "nothing" else. Dreamless sleep is then the hole between 11 and 7. How am I doing? That is interesting. Trouble is, was it really dreamless. Many times we awake from sleep and vividly remember a dream only to minutes later forget it's details which you previously knew so well. Who is to say the sleep was actually dreamless and not where you dreamed during the course of it, but simply forgot by the time you awoke. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Aug 1, 2017 13:15:38 GMT
blackness. Not nothing like atheists believe in which you simply no longer exist. But nothing like a blank black emptiness, but you're still conscious and aware of yourself and all you can do is stare straight ahead into the blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY! Sorta like Hell minus the fire, pain and physical torture. ONLY mental torture of being alone, unable to move (no longer have a body) and surrounded in blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's impossible to have darkness and emptiness without light and form. Darkness implies light, as emptiness implies form. |
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Post by drystyx on Aug 1, 2017 16:38:44 GMT
First of all, I see what you mean by ascribing this to atheism, but it really can't be logically ascribed to atheism, since annihilation logically only works if there are cognitive higher powers to annihilate a bit of cognition. We're simply existing in a very limited sphere of sensation in organic existence.
However, it's true that the loudest of atheists here are believers in annihilation, which is retarded because of what I just stated. They show either that they're sixth grade dropouts, or got by on cheating and being allowed to continue upward.
Now, as for the question, it would be a nice long eternal break, except the reality of that premise would mean that if a person did experience that minute bit of existence, that would be his or her "eternity", the entire shebangs of existence for the person, meaning that "Eternity" would be different for each person.
In that event, the person simply continues that brief existence for "Eternity", because that is the person's "Eternity". Since the brain is organic and only inputs sensations of this existence, the person would seem doomed to make the same mistakes, continuing to bet against Sunday Silence, Go For Gin, or Orb in the Kentucky Derby. Continue to make the same mistakes each time. There is no learning in this debacle. Only a fool would think this could go on each time without change. It's "safe" sounding, not realistic.
There is "deja vu", and who knows if that means anything.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 1, 2017 16:52:13 GMT
blackness. Not nothing like atheists believe in which you simply no longer exist. But nothing like a blank black emptiness, but you're still conscious and aware of yourself and all you can do is stare straight ahead into the blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY! Sorta like Hell minus the fire, pain and physical torture. ONLY mental torture of being alone, unable to move (no longer have a body) and surrounded in blank black emptiness for ALL ETERNITY. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's impossible to have darkness and emptiness without light and form. Darkness implies light, as emptiness implies form. Why don't you be a little more polite? I know this poster, Sam. He was solving questions on the old I Need to Know board when you were in short pants. Way back in the before time. Back before cassavetes45 died and ErJen-1 went nutty religious. So, how about a little respect, huh? |
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