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Post by Kal_1993 on Aug 9, 2017 20:02:34 GMT
Dany's entry into the war was conviniently prolonged.
There are various different ways she would have known that Lannister soldiers are marching into the High Garden/Dorne. It wouldn't take a brainiac to figure that out.
Writers this season are being disproportionately fair to Cersei or of their desperation to make it look like a battle of the equals. Not cool.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 9, 2017 20:08:03 GMT
The writing of war logistics was definitely horrible in the setup to the admittedly glorious battle.
Neither spies nor ravens nor even cohorts are present at all to minimize the defeat of Highgarden. I understand that the issue had to do with gold which would justify Cercei having the means to actually win the war. However, it's stupid to magically grant her the means to win a major house that used to be their equal.
For that matter, chaos would ensue in Dorne rather than inactivity. The people were with the Sand Snakes but now all of a sudden, no one is rising up to fight the Lannisters who they have despised for a generation?
Horrible stuff
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Post by Kal_1993 on Aug 9, 2017 20:14:42 GMT
The writing of war logistics was definitely horrible in the setup to the admittedly glorious battle. Neither spies nor ravens nor even cohorts are present at all to minimize the defeat of Highgarden. I understand that the issue had to do with gold which would justify Cercei having the means to actually win the war. However, it's stupid to magically grant her the means to win a major house that used to be their equal. For that matter, chaos would ensue in Dorne rather than inactivity. The people were with the Sand Snakes but now all of a sudden, no one is rising up to fight the Lannisters who they have despised for a generation? Horrible stuff I still don't get why Oleanna/Tyrion/Varys wouldn't have looked out for protection of their own kingdoms and waste their time taking an obviously useless rock. Tyrion was dumbed down to the levels of Dany. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 10, 2017 1:42:34 GMT
Dany's entry into the war was conviniently prolonged. There are various different ways she would have known that Lannister soldiers are marching into the High Garden/Dorne. It wouldn't take a brainiac to figure that out. Writers this season are being disproportionately fair to Cersei or of their desperation to make it look like a battle of the equals. Not cool. I do agree that Tyrells and Martels together would have put a far greater resistance than what was shown. and armies don't attack you in a matter of days. May be they did it so that they can give the gold back to Lannisters so they can get the golden company from Essos. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2017 5:56:23 GMT
The writing of war logistics was definitely horrible in the setup to the admittedly glorious battle. No worse than everything Arya miraculously does, no worse than having Dragonstone empty ready to be taken by anyone who sails by without anyone having even thought of doing it since Stannis left, no worse than Stannis escaping a lost battle alone for Brienne to find him before she just rides over to save Sansa, no worse than Davos risking his life to do something he's never heard was possible for a man whose importance he cannot know either… no worse any of the crap since the end of Season 5, really. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2017 5:59:32 GMT
Tyrion was dumbed down to the levels of Dany. That's what drinking does to him. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2017 6:03:05 GMT
Writers this season are being disproportionately fair… How can something be "disproportionately fair"? |
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Post by poelzig on Aug 10, 2017 6:37:10 GMT
You are being very diplomatic by saying "Writers this season are being disproportionately fair to Cersei". The writers have been so ridiculously pro cersei that he show has tuned into a joke. We know that no matter how the odds are stacked against her she will win and usually in some highly improbable way. It's the reason I no longer take the show seriously.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2017 11:13:21 GMT
The writing of war logistics was definitely horrible in the setup to the admittedly glorious battle. No worse than everything Arya miraculously does, no worse than having Dragonstone empty ready to be taken by anyone who sails by without anyone having even thought of doing it since Stannis left, no worse than Stannis escaping a lost battle alone for Brienne to find him before she just rides over to save Sansa, no worse than Davos risking his life to do something he's never heard was possible for a man whose importance he cannot know either… no worse any of the crap since the end of Season 5, really. What does Arya miraculously do? Dragonstone being empty makes sense since everyone loyal to Stannis was wiped out or had their own houses. Plus who had time or interest to take it over when they knew Dany was coming? It being empty fits into the show's schemes. Stannis being the last one standing (There is nothing to indicate he would have escaped) would not be shocking since he was quite possibly the best fighter in his army in addition to it's general. Highgarden, who is richer & with just as many soldiers as the entire split up Lannister army concentrated around Highgarden not being able to hold back a siege is not. |
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 10, 2017 15:34:18 GMT
Dany's entry into the war was conviniently prolonged. There are various different ways she would have known that Lannister soldiers are marching into the High Garden/Dorne. It wouldn't take a brainiac to figure that out. Writers this season are being disproportionately fair to Cersei or of their desperation to make it look like a battle of the equals. Not cool. I do agree that Tyrells and Martels together would have put a far greater resistance than what was shown. and armies don't attack you in a matter of days. May be they did it so that they can give the gold back to Lannisters so they can get the golden company from Essos. How could Euro sail around all around of the Reach (including the heavy traffic around the strait of Redwyne and Old town) the entire coastline of Dorne right to the doorstep of Dragonstone (which is sitting at the entrance to the black water bay. You can't sail out of King Landing without passing Dragonstone. This fleet must have been detected. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2017 15:39:20 GMT
Sailing around ports I get. It's a very big body of water.
Plus to make myself feel better, I'm going to assume Euron's fleet is split up.
However, what I don't understand is how someone could let Euron get so close as to literally blend in with the opposing ships without seeing them from miles away...Twice with once in the daytime.
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Post by pk9 on Aug 10, 2017 16:19:47 GMT
Can we also talk about how Olenna decided to have House Tyrell declare war against the Lannisters without summoning their bannermen? Randyll Tarly should have been forced to make the choice about which house to support long before being publicly recruited by Cersei and Jaime.
This is the pitch he should have heard first:
1) Cersei murdered your Lords Mace, Loras and Margaery.
2) Cersei is not the legitimate ruler of Westeros by inheritance rules.
3) Actually, Daenerys has the most legitimate claim since Robert usurped the throne.
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4) She has dragons.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 10, 2017 16:25:08 GMT
Can we also talk about how Olenna decided to have House Tyrell declare war against the Lannisters without summoning their bannermen? Randyll Tarly should have been forced to make the choice about which house to support long before being publicly recruited by Cersei and Jaime. This is the pitch he should have heard first: 1) Cersei murdered your Lords Mace, Loras and Margaery. 2) Cersei is not the legitimate ruler of Westeros by inheritance rules. 3) Actually, Daenerys has the most legitimate claim since Robert usurped the throne. and 4) She has dragons. Tarly should have come to Highgarden to secure the place, prepared all the defences, stationed his army inside, outside and surrendered it all to Jaime without a fight as Olenna died of rage watching it happened. That would have made sense. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2017 16:29:17 GMT
Yep, it's ridiculous and especially since the first episode implied that the Highgarden had the whole Reach's support and should have considering what Cercei did. She had months to talk to her bannermen and in particular the most important one.
Plus Tarley could have inherited the Warden of the South role anyway considering the Tyrell line was made extinct. Olenna was only in it for vengeance.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 10, 2017 16:36:46 GMT
Can we also talk about how Olenna decided to have House Tyrell declare war against the Lannisters without summoning their bannermen? Randyll Tarly should have been forced to make the choice about which house to support long before being publicly recruited by Cersei and Jaime. This is the pitch he should have heard first: 1) Cersei murdered your Lords Mace, Loras and Margaery. 2) Cersei is not the legitimate ruler of Westeros by inheritance rules. 3) Actually, Daenerys has the most legitimate claim since Robert usurped the throne. and 4) She has dragons. Tarly should have come to Highgarden to secure the place, prepared all the defences, stationed his army inside, outside and surrendered it all to Jaime without a fight as Olenna died of rage watching it happened. That would have made sense. It didn't matter since the Lannisters were fighting a bunch of pansies anyway. |
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