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Post by Aj_June on Aug 13, 2017 10:42:56 GMT
Bronn played such an important role in the last episode. In fact in middle of all that chaos the show runners did a great job of extending his character development. True to his roots as a sellsword, he advised Jaime to run away at the sight of Dothraki savages. But in spite of Jaime's refusal (who as a true Knight wanted to fight and win/hold off) to turn their back he stayed and fought. His facial expressions all through the war were prime focus of the battle. He lost his gold and we saw a moment of conflict in his eyes. But then he used his cunning to beat the Dothraki who was following him. Then he managed to do a spectacular deed and almost became Bronn the dragon slayer and almost died in the process but he still followed Jaime around and saved his life. Isn't it showing that Bronn has developed a kind of loyalty for Jaime? He was sort of loyal even before. But there was always a matter of payoff involved. This time it was a bit different.
I wonder what role Bronn has in store for the remaining life of GOT?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 13, 2017 10:49:31 GMT
That was no character development, mere intelligence of the situation. When that monster is flying above you burning what runs on the ground, when you're stuck in a battle, turning your back to flee is just a better way of getting killed. Fact: most casualties in medieval battles came from the slaughter of the fleeing after a rout. What looks like courage is actually knowledge of a grim rule: you win or you likely die. The gold wasn't going to help him buy his life so he got back on his feet and fought. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 13, 2017 11:00:31 GMT
I agree with that argument. Yes, that was the best he could do. But his facial expressions did show a lot of conflict. Fear, tension and doubts. How would you reconcile his suggestion of running away from the battle? Did he seriously expect that Jaime will take his suggestion? If yes then he was not that intelligent in the situation (more acting on reflex) and if no then the suggestion showed that he was full of doubts and confusion and conflicts. It will be interesting to see his exchange with Jaime in the next episode and if he decides to follow north then the OP will start appearing more legitimate.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 13, 2017 12:04:25 GMT
I was going to comment, but then I saw your by-line.
I am clearly rubbing you the wrong way regarding Game of thrones...
Of course, I'm right...Ned can only be trusted by a dead sister.
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Post by Marv on Aug 13, 2017 12:31:03 GMT
I love Bronn. Probably more so in the show since he kind of disappears in the books. He's always had a kind of loyalty. There's always that underlying monetary reasoning. Or a what can he get from it consideration. But he's never been the one to tuck tail and run. I also think just like with Tyrion, Bronn respects and kind of likes Jaime. Probably considers him a friend.
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 13, 2017 12:36:47 GMT
I was going to comment, but then I saw your by-line. I am clearly rubbing you the wrong way regarding Game of thrones... Of course, I'm right...Ned can only be trusted by a dead sister. No it's fine, man. I kind of like when I have to think about my views. I consider Lord Stark as a godly character. In any case I will return to this (discussion on Lord Stark) after the seven weeks are over. Right now lets just wait for current progress. Can't wait for episode 5 now. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 13, 2017 12:41:48 GMT
I was going to comment, but then I saw your by-line. I am clearly rubbing you the wrong way regarding Game of thrones... Of course, I'm right...Ned can only be trusted by a dead sister. No it's fine, man. I kind of like when I have to think about my views. I consider Lord Stark as a godly character. In any case I will return to this (discussion on Lord Stark) after the seven weeks are over. Right now lets just wait for current progress. Can't wait for episode 5 now. Cool. I think you think of him the way Martin painted him. i was a victim of it too which is why I staunchly defended him against this nonsense tof R+L=J which remains one of the worst plots ever. Sadly, the moment that became true was the moment that we realize ned is capable of lying to EVERYONE and puts into question anything about his honor. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 13, 2017 12:42:37 GMT
I love Bronn. Probably more so in the show since he kind of disappears in the books. He's always had a kind of loyalty. There's always that underlying monetary reasoning. Or a what can he get from it consideration. But he's never been the one to tuck tail and run. I also think just like with Tyrion, Bronn respects and kind of likes Jaime. Probably considers him a friend. Bronn is loyal to his employers, he fulfills his contracts. He doesn't really see them as friends, no more than people today ought to consider the companies they work for as personal friends. He doesn't buy their occasional motivational bullshit anymore than modern people would. He has a fondness not for the Lannisters but for the world of free choice they represent and make a reality. While the Starks and others demand lifelong oaths of fealty, the Lannisters make deals, limited and more flexible. We saw Bronn ask Tyrion for a pay rise in S3 when presented with the request to renew his employment. I hope Cersei gives him his castle when all is said and done. He deserves it. |
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Post by Marv on Aug 13, 2017 12:46:17 GMT
Employers and employees can develop more personal relationships. I think the one between Jaime and Bronn has definitely reached that. Same as it did for Tyrion and Bronn. And Bronn and Podrick.
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Post by Kal_1993 on Aug 13, 2017 13:29:13 GMT
To be honest i didn't recognize Bronn in the initial seasons but this season his character arc is on par with many semi-major Characters like Olenna, Varys etc
Him being with Jamie added a new dimension to both the characters. Its hard to imagine Jamie without his kickass sidekick hereafter.
A character like Bronn is likable on any show. His "devil-may-care" attitude with a subtle sense of responsibility is his biggest attribute. This "bromance" would certainly be explored more in the coming episodes.
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Post by Kal_1993 on Aug 13, 2017 13:35:19 GMT
I love Bronn. Probably more so in the show since he kind of disappears in the books. He's always had a kind of loyalty. There's always that underlying monetary reasoning. Or a what can he get from it consideration. But he's never been the one to tuck tail and run. I also think just like with Tyrion, Bronn respects and kind of likes Jaime. Probably considers him a friend. Bronn is loyal to his employers, he fulfills his contracts. He doesn't really see them as friends, no more than people today ought to consider the companies they work for as personal friends. He doesn't buy their occasional motivational bullshit anymore than modern people would. He has a fondness not for the Lannisters but for the world of free choice they represent make a reality. While the Starks and others demand lifelong oaths of fealty, the Lannisters make deals, limited and more flexible. We saw Bronn ask Tyrion for a pay rise in S3 when presented with the request to renew his employment. I hope Cersei gives him his castle when all is said and done. He deserves it. Oh please! Asking for unconditional loyalty is not a Stark thing. It's the culture of Westros. Sure Lannisters make deals, so does every other house which is not being focused in the show. He is a freelancer but that's about it. |
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Post by Aj_June on Aug 13, 2017 13:40:17 GMT
To be honest i didn't recognize Bronn in the initial seasons but this season his character arc is on par with many semi-major Characters like Olenna, Varys etc Him being with Jamie added a new dimension to both the characters. Its hard to imagine Jamie without his kickass sidekick hereafter. A character like Bronn is likable on any show. His "devil-may-care" attitude with a subtle sense of responsibility is his biggest attribute. This "bromance" would certainly be explored more in the coming episodes. I believe Bronn was the main focus from Lannister side in the last episode. Of course Jaime went for glory and had his moments but Bronn was awesome both in war and in his conversation with Tarly kid. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 13, 2017 14:37:27 GMT
Employers and employees can develop more personal relationships. I think the one between Jaime and Bronn has definitely reached that. Same as it did for Tyrion and Bronn. And Bronn and Podrick. I think this is what defines Bronn in regards to relationships. I think he is consistently the same. he has been wealthy many times over and routinely loses the money because he's not meant to be anything than what he is which is not just a mercenary, but a guy who lives to fight. I think Tyrion helped him to see that, but I also think he will lose loyalty the moment he isn't paid. Every relationship he's had has been tied to the money/spoils the Lannisters promise him. he could easily stay friends while dismissing loyalty (As brought out in his conversation with Tyrion in season 4). He's never been a coward so there was never a reason for him to run away and especially with his meal ticket & friend being roasted |
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