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Post by mummersfarce on Aug 26, 2017 6:06:20 GMT
Nah. Just kidding. I wish...
Crappiness of the show has only heightened my anticipation and interest in the last 2 books so much more.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 26, 2017 6:17:13 GMT
I wish I could care for the books.
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Post by mummersfarce on Aug 26, 2017 6:25:48 GMT
I wish I could care for the books. Why can't you? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 6:26:40 GMT
fuck you man I was so excited.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 26, 2017 7:27:09 GMT
I wish I could care for the books. Why can't you? They're a stinking pile of leophobic drivel. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 8:49:47 GMT
The last 2 books will never come out. I think you all need to accept that.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 26, 2017 11:46:32 GMT
The books will be so different from the show, it's not like you actually need to watch the show at all since it is crappy.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 28, 2017 4:36:42 GMT
Crappiness of the show has only heightened my anticipation and interest in the last 2 books so much more. Book faithfuls like you make me happy the last two will never see the light of day. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 28, 2017 12:44:15 GMT
Nah. Just kidding. I wish... Crappiness of the show has only heightened my anticipation and interest in the last 2 books so much more. See, I'm going the other way here. I'm worried GRRM is going to lose his mind and start trolling his audience because he doesn't like what the show has done and he's frustrated with the internet having figured out his story years ago. As much as I love the first three books, the story has been a mess ever since. Feast had its moments but meandered quite a bit and ADWD splintered the story in even more directions when it should be tightening up. The amount of time it's taking GRRM to finish the whole thing tells me he doesn't know how to do so. The continued decline in quality will be as noticeable as it was on the show; but as I said it's going to be even worse because while the show almost feels like fan service due to its confirmation of long standing theories, GRRM is going to start throwing curveballs out there just to prove people wrong. It's going to be a train wreck. I'm still going to devour the books if/when they ever get released, but I don't expect a satisfactory ending to the saga at this point. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 28, 2017 13:07:17 GMT
Nah. Just kidding. I wish... Crappiness of the show has only heightened my anticipation and interest in the last 2 books so much more. See, I'm going the other way here. I'm worried GRRM is going to lose his mind and start trolling his audience because he doesn't like what the show has done and he's frustrated with the internet having figured out his story years ago. … The amount of time it's taking GRRM to finish the whole thing tells me he doesn't know how to do so. The continued decline in quality will be as noticeable as it was on the show; but as I said it's going to be even worse because while the show almost feels like fan service due to its confirmation of long standing theories, GRRM is going to start throwing curveballs out there just to prove people wrong. He said he wouldn't and I don't believe he is that annoyed at what the show is doing. It makes him rich beyond hope after all and it's even more of an incentive to finish up what he sees as the real thing. The change of quality of the books is of a very different nature than that of the show. It might well be that the author finds it difficult to bring the story to a satisfactory closure and I cannot blame him. I don't think he should. His story is more like History: it doesn't come to a satisfactory closure. He'll just have to wrap up the big things and leave the rest open. I wouldn't mind if he had Tyrion die of a heart attack after too much wine in the middle of a chapter just before an important meeting. That's how people die, not after they found "closure". |
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Aug 28, 2017 13:15:11 GMT
Will the outcome of the show past the books now influence what Martin writes in the remaining books, if he writes them? Going to be strange if he deviates too much from what the show has shown us.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 28, 2017 13:18:52 GMT
Will the outcome of the show past the books now influence what Martin writes in the remaining books, if he writes them? Going to be strange if he deviates too much from what the show has shown us. He said it won't and why care if it feels strange to some? |
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Aug 28, 2017 13:31:56 GMT
Will the outcome of the show past the books now influence what Martin writes in the remaining books, if he writes them? Going to be strange if he deviates too much from what the show has shown us. He said it won't and why care if it feels strange to some? I haven't read the books myself, although I plan to. I can just see it being kind of difficult not to see the show and what it's done with the conclusion, while reading the rest of the books as it essentially catches up. For me at least. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 28, 2017 13:40:27 GMT
He said it won't and why care if it feels strange to some? I haven't read the books myself, although I plan to. I can just see it being kind of difficult not to see the show and what it's done with the conclusion, while reading the rest of the books as it essentially catches up. For me at least. The books tell a different story with sometime very different characters. The show has transformed some of them in deep ways. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 28, 2017 14:06:57 GMT
See, I'm going the other way here. I'm worried GRRM is going to lose his mind and start trolling his audience because he doesn't like what the show has done and he's frustrated with the internet having figured out his story years ago. … The amount of time it's taking GRRM to finish the whole thing tells me he doesn't know how to do so. The continued decline in quality will be as noticeable as it was on the show; but as I said it's going to be even worse because while the show almost feels like fan service due to its confirmation of long standing theories, GRRM is going to start throwing curveballs out there just to prove people wrong. He said he wouldn't and I don't believe he is that annoyed at what the show is doing. It makes him rich beyond hope after all and it's even more of an incentive to finish up what he sees as the real thing. The change of quality of the books is of a very different nature than that of the show. It might well be that the author finds it difficult to bring the story to a satisfactory closure and I cannot blame him. I don't think he should. His story is more like History: it doesn't come to a satisfactory closure. He'll just have to wrap up the big things and leave the rest open. I wouldn't mind if he had Tyrion die of a heart attack after too much wine in the middle of a chapter just before an important meeting. That's how people die, not after they found "closure". Maybe the author of this video is reading into things too much... But maybe he's onto something. GRRM says he doesn't have tome to watch GOT but he tweets about how great a similar show is while GOT is airing? Seems like a dick move, and a calculated one. Fiction doesn't work like history, that's the point of fiction. And it's already been a problem for GRRM, that's why Feast and then ADWD were a mess, because he basically got stuck and had to start over almost from scratch, and in the end they had to release two books years apart that each told half of the story he was writing. I think he's stuck and doesn't know how to finish it. But instead of taking shortcuts like the show, he'll add a lot of nonsense that has nothing to do with anything and the end will still feel rushed because all of those extraneous plotlines will either have to be resolved at once or just disappear outright, which would defeat the purpose of having written them in the first place. It could turn into a total mess. I hope it doesn't but it absolutely could. And if people start dropping dead from heart attacks because GRRM doesn't have the time or inspiration to come up with something better, the reputation and literary legacy of ASOIAF will be ruined completely. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 28, 2017 14:26:48 GMT
He said he wouldn't and I don't believe he is that annoyed at what the show is doing. It makes him rich beyond hope after all and it's even more of an incentive to finish up what he sees as the real thing. The change of quality of the books is of a very different nature than that of the show. It might well be that the author finds it difficult to bring the story to a satisfactory closure and I cannot blame him. I don't think he should. His story is more like History: it doesn't come to a satisfactory closure. He'll just have to wrap up the big things and leave the rest open. I wouldn't mind if he had Tyrion die of a heart attack after too much wine in the middle of a chapter just before an important meeting. That's how people die, not after they found "closure". be the author of this video is reading into things too much... But maybe he's onto something. GRRM says he doesn't have tome to watch GOT but he tweets about how great a similar show is while GOT is airing? Seems like a dick move, and a calculated one. …all of those extraneous plotlines will either have to be resolved at once or just disappear outright, which would defeat the purpose of having written them in the first place. … Book wankers are mostly dumb idealists who want to believe the man making millions is secretly enraged his "work of art" is being disfigured. GRRM was traveling abroad, said he had no time to watch the show while doing so, headlines like "GRRM doesn't watch Game Of Thrones" were made out of it and "smart" fucks made videos about it. They'll interpret any silence of his as something they want to believe in. As to plot lines not being "resolved", it's just another misunderstanding. When you read a book series, it's not about the ending. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 28, 2017 14:30:03 GMT
be the author of this video is reading into things too much... But maybe he's onto something. GRRM says he doesn't have tome to watch GOT but he tweets about how great a similar show is while GOT is airing? Seems like a dick move, and a calculated one. …all of those extraneous plotlines will either have to be resolved at once or just disappear outright, which would defeat the purpose of having written them in the first place. … Book wankers are mostly dumb idealists who want to believe the man making millions is secretly enraged his "work of art" is being disfigured. GRRM was traveling abroad, said he had no time to watch the show while doing so, headlines like "GRRM doesn't watch Game Of Thrones" were made out of it and "smart" fucks made videos about it. They'll interpret any silence of his as something they want to believe in. As to plot lines not being "resolved", it's just another misunderstanding. When you read a book series, it's not about the ending. Agreed as far as it being about the journey, but if the story goes completely off the rails at any point it wasn't worth reading in the first place. I have faith in GRRM, but with each passing year I become more concerned that he isn't sure how to get the story to the conclusion he envisioned decades ago. Time will tell. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 28, 2017 14:56:46 GMT
As to plot lines not being "resolved", it's just another misunderstanding. When you read a book series, it's not about the ending. Agreed as far as it being about the journey, but if the story goes completely off the rails at any point it wasn't worth reading in the first place. I have faith in GRRM, but with each passing year I become more concerned that he isn't sure how to get the story to the conclusion he envisioned decades ago. Time will tell. I'm not sure he envisioned a conclusion beyond something very sketchy limited to who wins, who dies and who rules how at the end. Making that conclusion satisfactorily conclusive is the hard part and many a creator has trouble with this because of the implied pressure to make it big or wise or somehow valuable. He might find out, after spending decades showing the nastiness of men, that he's not quite sure what to say next. Criticism is easier than advice. He has seen this and already warned the ending would be "bittersweet". It somehow frees him from the impossible desire to present a plausible alternative to the dreary situations he's portrayed so far. Another concern, which he has admitted himself, is the difficulty of parting with his world and his characters. He could be pushing the end because of this. Most likely, however, inspiration is the driving force and this is limited after a while. There is a danger that those story-lines stop being fruitful at some point and only end up repeating stuff he's already said, not so much in terms of plot but in terms of what it conveys as subtext. They would then become perfunctory plot fulfillment without personal expression and that can be a blocking thing. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 28, 2017 15:04:10 GMT
Agreed as far as it being about the journey, but if the story goes completely off the rails at any point it wasn't worth reading in the first place. I have faith in GRRM, but with each passing year I become more concerned that he isn't sure how to get the story to the conclusion he envisioned decades ago. Time will tell. I'm not sure he envisioned a conclusion beyond something very sketchy limited to who wins, who dies and who rules how at the end. Making that conclusion satisfactorily conclusive is the hard part and many a creator has trouble with this because of the implied pressure to make it big or wise or somehow valuable. He might find out, after spending decades showing the nastiness of men, that he's not quite sure what to say next. Criticism is easier than advice. He has seen this and already warned the ending would be "bittersweet". It somehow frees him from the impossible desire to present a plausible alternative to the dreary situations he's portrayed so far. Another concern, which he has admitted himself, is the difficulty of parting with his world and his characters. He could be pushing the end because of this. Most likely, however, inspiration is the driving force and this is limited after a while. There is a danger that those story-lines stop being fruitful at some point and only end up repeating stuff he's already said, not so much in terms of plot but in terms of what it conveys as subtext. They would then become perfunctory plot fulfillment without personal expression and that can be a blocking thing. I'm looking forward to the bittersweet ending he's discussed, I think it's the only way this story can end. I don't think there's going to be an Iron Throne. Jon and Dany aren't flying off into the sunset with a 'just married' sign hanging from Drogon's tail. I know it's going to get grim, I just want it to make sense. The ending doesn't concern me as much as how we get there. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 28, 2017 15:18:18 GMT
I'm not sure he envisioned a conclusion beyond something very sketchy limited to who wins, who dies and who rules how at the end. Making that conclusion satisfactorily conclusive is the hard part and many a creator has trouble with this because of the implied pressure to make it big or wise or somehow valuable. He might find out, after spending decades showing the nastiness of men, that he's not quite sure what to say next. Criticism is easier than advice. He has seen this and already warned the ending would be "bittersweet". It somehow frees him from the impossible desire to present a plausible alternative to the dreary situations he's portrayed so far. I'm looking forward to the bittersweet ending he's discussed, I think it's the only way this story can end. I don't think there's going to be an Iron Throne. Jon and Dany aren't flying off into the sunset with a 'just married' sign hanging from Drogon's tail. I know it's going to get grim, I just want it to make sense. The ending doesn't concern me as much as how we get there. If there is no central power at the end, then it will be a setback into the age of warring kingdoms. The fall of a central power is most likely to be followed by a period of serious instability. This is why my happy ending sees Cersei stay in power while I hope GRRM would think of it as bittersweet. Besides, it would piss off about everyone I know. Not that I want to but it's time they learned something. |
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