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Post by politicidal on Mar 2, 2017 0:34:06 GMT
Thoughts - Surprised but cautiously excited since it's my favorite media franchise. Liked Kingdom of Crystal Skull;come at me, bro! Seeing The Force Awakens and Harrison Ford's performance in that made me more open to it. Complaints - Harrison Ford since he's going to be near eighty when it comes out. They really have to work out a means to address that in the script or it will be more CGI overload that no one liked the last time. My guess is they'll use a sidekick to handle the action scenes like in The Force Awakens or make him serve the same role Connery did in The Last Crusade. A second one is the script since David Koepp hasn't been on his A-game lately. Spielberg needs to keep Lucas on a tighter leash. Ideas - The last one was set in 1957 so if they keep the timeline intact, part 5 will take place in 1968/1969. Perhaps they could use the Vietnam War with the Viet Cong or Maoist China as the villains? I wouldn't mind seeing the Soviets used again. Or hell, have a Nazi war criminal a la Josef Mengele or Otto Skorzeny as the lead villain. A potential MacGuffin could be the Spear of Destiny, Yamashita's gold, the Dead Sea scrolls, the Amber Room, Iram of the Pillars, Shambhala, Peking Man fossils, Genghis Khan's tomb, the 9th Legion, King Solomon's ring, Atlantis.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 2, 2017 2:55:38 GMT
thoughts? Ford is looking to revisit his hits once more.
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Post by Two Socks on Mar 2, 2017 3:22:22 GMT
I think the series has run its course unfortunately and four is plenty. It won't be Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford in some major role. I don't know if Shia LaBeouf is exactly in demand right now either.
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Post by Reynard on Mar 2, 2017 20:29:42 GMT
I think it's going to be about Indy's son or daughter with Ford doing what Connery did in The Last Crusade. I don't really care about these "passing the torch" movies and I really don't what to see Indiana Jones movies without Ford in a major role, since the series is about his character. Indy Junior TV series wasn't interesting and while LaBeouf was actually good in Crystal Skull, I still wouldn't go see his solo adventures.
Lucas in involved in name only and that's not good either, since Indy series has always been his baby. Also, it's a fucking Disney movie so it's going to have some serious agenda pushing in it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 6:07:24 GMT
Yeah, as someone who loved Crystal Skull and saw it four times at the cinema... I have no desire to see this movie, ever, for all the reasons you guys already stated. It's just -- yeah.
Please, no.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 15:04:07 GMT
They should leave it alone. They came back and gave us Crystal Skull. That is enough....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 0:12:44 GMT
I really wish they weren't waiting until 2019. But any Indy movie that stars Ford and is directed by Spielberg is on my must see list.
I just hope they don't make Indy a side kick or mentor figure to another lead.
The action scenes should downplay physical fighting in preference to vehicle based action. Hell, if the reall Ford can survive plane crashes why not the character?? Lol
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 22, 2017 2:57:13 GMT
I love every aspect of this franchise. Even parts of Crystal Skull were good to me. I want them to go 100% on this new one though. I want it to feel like the same amount of effort was put in as Raiders or Crusade. Of all the nitpicks I had with Crystal Skull, my main beef was that absolutely no one seemed excited to be in that movie or making it.
I want the action to be as good as the rejuvenated action in MI: Rogue Nation, Mad Max Fury Road, and The Force Awakens. In short, if they're actually going to do this, it better be very good.
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Post by NileQT87 on Mar 22, 2017 4:43:08 GMT
I wish they'd completely reboot the series at this point. Maybe utilize Harrison for Old Indy bookends à la the Young Indy series.
The problem is the timeline. I don't want to see hippies, bellbottoms and Disco. Dear God, that's how far forward the series would have to go to meet Harrison's age when this is finally made. They could show Star Wars on a marquee! Indy belongs in the early 20th century colonial adventure era (1910s-1940s and no later would be preferable). Reboot Indy in the 1920s-1930s. There's a nice little gap that's post-Flanery/pre-Ford. Indy being born in 1899 is the biggest problem with Indy 5 using Harrison for the main adventure.
Trust me, I'm a massive Harrison fangirl. Han and Indy are two of my favorite-ever characters and Harrison is one of my favorite-ever actors.
I think they need to go pre-Raiders. You could fit a trilogy or even a series between the 1920-1935 gap.
The biggest issue with The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles was that it was more focused on being edutainment, teaching viewers about historical events and having Indy meet tons of historical figures, rather than be an action-adventure series (though I adore it) more in line with the Ford films. One of the few episodes that was truly action-adventure was Peacock's Eye. And with few exceptions (like Dracula), the adventures were decidedly unmystical.
One could marry the concept of Young Indy to the Indy trilogy format with the main magical MacGuffin with a mid-adventure prologue. And go back to Indy having a girl at every port.
One could introduce Abner and Young Marion, though I suspect actually dealing with the fact that the Raiders script had Marion being 15 years old (Lucas wanted even younger, but Spielberg and Kasdan upped it) and Indy being in his 20s might be a bit touchy these days! The Young Indy series didn't shy away from Indy's sexual exploits (Carrie Fisher actually wrote the episode about Indy losing his virginity to Mata Hari) and was indeed going to show the Abner/Marion/Indy situation had the series continued.
But I also want the Indy series to get its guts back with showing edgier, darker, grisly adventures with more adult humor. Lucas and Spielberg's biggest change since the '80s is that they're obsessed with making everything more kid-friendly and things from them have been largely weak and watered down since (though they were mostly okay through the early '90s, it's really post-Y2K where they've lost it). Embrace that Indy was always a full-throated PG-13 franchise back when PG actually meant PG-13 and was actually skirting the edge towards R in both Raiders (fire was placed in front of Belloq's exploding head to prevent an R rating) and Temple (lots of parental group backlash and helped bring about the PG-13 rating along with Gremlins). Indy 5 has to bring back the more adult elements.
I also fear that the world is currently too PC for Indy's world, both in regards to his sexual exploits (no more jokes about the Sultan's harem in Madagascar, underage Marion, students batting their eyelids and father/son sleeping with the same woman) and foreign cultures (whiners about the dinner scene don't realize that was the giveaway that Pankot Palace was very, very wrong for Indian culture--a deleted scene with Blumburt even commented on it, but it was a spoiler for the later reveal). Even depicting colonialism and half-naked natives is going to be seriously touchy. Trying to make it inoffensive will make in offensive as an Indy film.
Absolutely KILL the CGI overload over-reliance. No more CGI ants. They need to hire snake, vermin and bug people with the real things crawling around on set. Remember that Indy's world is drenched in orange, red and brown (break every single rule of current trends in cinematography--it must be Douglas Slocombe's old-school style) with a lot of sweat, sand and dirt in very real locations around the world (some being pretty untouched by time, even bringing uncomfortable risks like food poisoning and Harrison having his knee run over by a plane in Tunisia and not wanting to go to the doctor there), not a ghastly over-lit green filter. Stuntmen (like the days when they actually had Vic Armstrong move underneath a truck) and practical effects technicians need to get a workout. Indy needs to be sent to wilder locales instead of the unfortunate U.S. shoot of KotCS that lacked foreign shooting to the point where it was noticeable how fake it was. This is why I don't want Spielberg directing Indy 5. He doesn't seem to be up to crazy, foreign shoots these days.
Speaking of stuntmen whom I know have the ability to think up really good practical stunts (Vic Armstrong is definitely too old at this point), I couldn't help but notice that Mike Massa was hired to double Harrison for TFA. Massa is most famous for doubling David Boreanaz through Buffy/Angel and being the stunt coordinator for Angel. He's someone I'd trust completely with bringing back old-school stunts that are up to the old-school Indy standard that don't just take it in the unnatural CGI direction. Dangerous but not completely unbelievable needs to be heeded (something KotCS got wrong).
I love the Indy concept too much to want to see it forced into an unnatural era for adventurous grave robber!archaeology because of the timeline. After WWII, the world changed too much for Indy's style of adventures to fit in it.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Mar 22, 2017 15:13:10 GMT
i don't even want it
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Post by clusium on Mar 29, 2017 5:37:26 GMT
They should bring back Jonathan of Ke Quan as Short Round.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 29, 2017 14:46:26 GMT
They should bring back Jonathan of Ke Quan as Short Round. that would be great.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Mar 29, 2017 21:17:55 GMT
What if Indiana Jones finds the Fountain of Youth and a new actor takes the helm? It sounds corny and kinda the easy-way-out approach, but at least we could tell ourselves that Indiana Jones is still the hero, even if Ford isn't playing him.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 29, 2017 22:14:28 GMT
What if Indiana Jones finds the Fountain of Youth and a new actor takes the helm? It sounds corny and kinda the easy-way-out approach, but at least we could tell ourselves that Indiana Jones is still the hero, even if Ford isn't playing him. Some variation of that would not surprise me.
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Post by NileQT87 on Mar 29, 2017 22:31:08 GMT
It's not the age of the actor so much as the decade in the timeline. There's a big whopping difference between the 1930s and... what would probably end up being the 1970s.
The old-fashioned archaeology/grave robbing adventure genre is going to have a tough time working past WWII. Backwards in time from there, such as with Young Indy, is all good. It's after where it has trouble. The 1950s, even with (or because of) the Space Age twist, already proved they didn't work.
Indy's world is limited to a certain time period, which is the biggest issue. Indy is based on 1930s serials.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 29, 2017 23:30:25 GMT
It's not the age of the actor so much as the decade in the timeline. There's a big whopping difference between the 1930s and... what would probably end up being the 1970s. The old-fashioned archaeology/grave robbing adventure genre is going to have a tough time working past WWII. Backwards in time from there, such as with Young Indy, is all good. It's after where it has trouble. The 1950s, even with (or because of) the Space Age twist, already proved they didn't work. Indy's world is limited to a certain time period, which is the biggest issue. Indy is based on 1930s serials. I honestly don't think that's impossible. It's just gonna take a lot of work. I loved the Space Age setting and ancient astronauts angle in #4. My only real beef with that is that it seemed Spielberg (as he admitted) didn't like the shift and was noncommittal to the changes. If it was something more along the lines of say Close Encounters of the Third Kind I think it'd have fared better.
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