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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 22, 2017 23:41:18 GMT
That seems to be the case so far,
The 1990 and 1991 movies were hits when they came out, and presented state of the art puppetry that was groundbreaking for its time, but its third outing was a failure on pretty much every front and a fourth movie was never produced by the same creative forces.
An animated feature was released in 2007 that was intended to be both a reboot and sort of a sequel to the original two films, but it flopped at the box office and sequel plans were thrown into the trash.
The 2014 reboot did good financially and got a sequel made which had an even bigger budget but it underperformed and another full-on reboot appears more likely than a direct sequel.
It is also worth noting that none of the TMNT films released thus far have done well critically, they all qualify as being "rotten" on the website Rotten Tomatoes. Audience reception is mixed on average, and very few fans of the brand I've encounter have labeled any of the movies as being genuinely great; solid enough, stupid fun, decent, whatever - yes.
Personally I feel the brand works better for TV than the big screen. It allows them more time to build onto their world and give every character their moment in the sun whereas on the big screen they can only do so much because of budgetary reasons. Another issue the movies have I feel is tone, I don't think any TMNT film released thus far has found a nice area in between the humorous and visceral aspects. Even in the 1990 movie, still regarded as the best one to date, the tone is all over the place, you have scenes that are pretty dark like when the Shredder is torturing Splinter, then in the next scene you have the turtles making really dated, extremely corny jokes that can be pretty eye rolling depending on how "into it" you are. Parents took note of its questionable content back then and so the sequel was made much more family friendly, which was definitely not handled with an ounce of subtlety. Out of the Shadows is probably the most tonally consistent turtles movie to date, but its biggest achievement was in being silly, juvenile fun and nothing else, the writing definitely not something to brag about( Though I guess the subplot of "being who you are" wasn't handled poorly). On TV they just have more to accomplish and can tell as story in less than thirty minutes, and keep more characters around than a one and done deal on film. The popularity of the 1980's, 00's, and 10's shows I feel prove my point.
But what do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 18:35:07 GMT
No it could work on the big screen. The 2014 and 2016 films didn't help because they sucked in every which way. Plus they didn't honour the source material at all.
The original trilogy was too goofy- yes even the first which has a nice aesthetic but terrible dialogue and too light.
The animated film was good except for the villains. But it showed the dramatic ground that a TMNT film could cover.
I just don't think any TMNT film has been good yet but that doesn't mean it can't be done. I'm sure once upon a time someone thought that about Batman.
The TMNT has unlimited potential.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 24, 2017 23:54:35 GMT
No it could work on the big screen. The 2014 and 2016 films didn't help because they sucked in every which way. Plus they didn't honour the source material at all. The original trilogy was too goofy- yes even the first which has a nice aesthetic but terrible dialogue and too light. The animated film was good except for the villains. But it showed the dramatic ground that a TMNT film could cover. I just don't think any TMNT film has been good yet but that doesn't mean it can't be done. I'm sure once upon a time someone thought that about Batman. The TMNT has unlimited potential. This. It requires someone to figure out the right balance of drama and comedy w/o being disrespectful to what people know and expect from the franchise. So it may take a while.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 6, 2017 16:59:33 GMT
^basically what these guys said.
I mean, the 2014 film was honestly one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 9, 2017 1:58:56 GMT
It can work, just keep Michael Bay away from the franchise!
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Oct 9, 2017 6:23:45 GMT
i am pretty salty that the newer one got a sequel but 07 didn't.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 12, 2017 4:09:18 GMT
i am pretty salty that the newer one got a sequel but 07 didn't. The 07 version didn't make enough money, hence no follow up. The 2014 movie did, hence it got a sequel. Said sequel underperformed, hence the possibility of a third one doesn't seem too strong.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 12, 2017 4:21:32 GMT
It can work, just keep Michael Bay away from the franchise! Honestly I put the blame more on Nickelodeon for how the last two movies came out, because the majority of the problems can be traced to their decision making - The 2014 movie was supposed to be made to be for a different, more mature audience than the cartoon that began in 2012 and the first cut of it very much reflected that and was a darker, more visceral film. But the success of the newer cartoon led to massive reshoots that lightened the tone and made it more kid friendly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 20:55:01 GMT
It can work, just keep Michael Bay away from the franchise! Honestly I put the blame more on Nickelodeon for how the last two movies came out, because the majority of the problems can be traced to their decision making - The 2014 movie was supposed to be made to be for a different, more mature audience than the cartoon that began in 2012 and the first cut of it very much reflected that and was a darker, more visceral film. But the success of the newer cartoon led to massive reshoots that lightened the tone and made it more kid friendly. Whoever decided to make the Turtles hulks and to give Shredder the mech suit also shares some blame. It’s not a good starting point.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 12, 2017 22:39:31 GMT
Honestly I put the blame more on Nickelodeon for how the last two movies came out, because the majority of the problems can be traced to their decision making - The 2014 movie was supposed to be made to be for a different, more mature audience than the cartoon that began in 2012 and the first cut of it very much reflected that and was a darker, more visceral film. But the success of the newer cartoon led to massive reshoots that lightened the tone and made it more kid friendly. Whoever decided to make the Turtles hulks and to give Shredder the mech suit also shares some blame. It’s not a good starting point. I actually liked the Turtles being hulk-like, it actually added to the comedy - being mutated turtle teenagers who eat pizza and practice martial arts is ridiculous enough, but them being large just makes the ninja aspect even more funny. Shredder having a mech suit I don't think was a bad idea necessarily, but they over-designed it and over did the gadgetry. Still prefer him in the first over the second.
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Post by Matt on Oct 15, 2017 8:52:12 GMT
I loved TMNT's growing up, i liked the live action films in the 90's and even the animated 2007 film was okay, but i really didn't like the 2014 that much, too cgi heavy and i didn't like how the turtles looked or Shredder either, i think they needed to tone both down a little bit
But overall, i just felt disappointed, maybe going a bit darker and ease off on trying to be 'cool' would have helped me enjoy it more, similar to less cgi, because i don't dislike cgi in films, but sometimes it gets overused and looks too clean and bright (if that makes any kind of sense) where i think a little gritty and dull would make it look a lot better
I haven't watched the second film though, from the trailers i saw, it looked like they went bigger on the cgi and the cheesy dialogue, so not enjoying the first film, it really didn't appeal to me all to see the things i didn't like, become even more prominent
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Oct 16, 2017 7:37:38 GMT
i am pretty salty that the newer one got a sequel but 07 didn't. The 07 version didn't make enough money, hence no follow up. The 2014 movie did, hence it got a sequel. Said sequel underperformed, hence the possibility of a third one doesn't seem too strong. now wait just a second, here. are you implying that studios produce films with the intention of turning a profit and not solely to promulgate art?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 16, 2017 16:37:49 GMT
The 07 version didn't make enough money, hence no follow up. The 2014 movie did, hence it got a sequel. Said sequel underperformed, hence the possibility of a third one doesn't seem too strong. now wait just a second, here. are you implying that studios produce films with the intention of turning a profit and not solely to promulgate art? The more you know!
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Post by miike80 on Oct 17, 2017 16:20:51 GMT
The 07 version didn't make enough money, hence no follow up. The 2014 movie did, hence it got a sequel. Said sequel underperformed, hence the possibility of a third one doesn't seem too strong. now wait just a second, here. are you implying that studios produce films with the intention of turning a profit and not solely to promulgate art? no way, that's blasphemy
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 24, 2017 18:32:20 GMT
Am I the only one that liked the 2014 Ninja Turtles? For all its flaws it was pretty entertaining.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Oct 24, 2017 22:16:41 GMT
Am I the only one that liked the 2014 Ninja Turtles? For all its flaws it was pretty entertaining. you are crazy.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 25, 2017 17:33:51 GMT
Am I the only one that liked the 2014 Ninja Turtles? For all its flaws it was pretty entertaining. Yeah, I enjoyed it too. Not something I'd rush out to buy on home video, but if its on TV I'll check it out.
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