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Post by joekiddlouischama on Sept 27, 2017 7:36:30 GMT
For any Steve McQueen fans or classic film fans interested in him or curious about him, a two-hour documentary (Steve McQueen: American Icon) will be airing about 7:00 on Thursday evening in the major theater chains.
Ironically, before IMDb closed its board in February, I noted to an excellent poster and big McQueen aficionado that the Cinemark Classic Series, Fathom Events releases, and Turner Classic Movies Big Screen Classics (these series often overlap) had featured a paucity of McQueen movies—only one, The Great Escape (John Sturges, 1963) had reached theaters since the Cinemark Classic Series began in 2012. (I missed that film, although I had seen it in May 2004 on TCM, as I did not learn about the Cinemark Classic Series until January 2013.)
Well, instead of a re-release of one of his films, this documentary emerges instead. Hopefully it will offer something more penetrating and insightful than the usual mix of hagiography and scandal, and either way, Bullitt will surely received a fiftieth anniversary re-release in 2018.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 27, 2017 14:29:34 GMT
I wonder if it's related to that upcoming Papillon remake by chance?
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Sept 28, 2017 4:50:28 GMT
I wonder if it's related to that upcoming Papillon remake by chance? I did not know that a remake will be coming; thank you for the information, although I am certainly not heartened by the idea. Papillon is actually one of McQueen's movies that I would most like to see in the theater. Although I have only viewed it once (on Turner Classic Movies), the film strikes me as one of the best that he starred in, and his performance strikes me as one of his best as well. Looking up the remake, I see that it is basically a Eastern European film, so I would guess that there is no connection to the documentary.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Sept 28, 2017 6:08:32 GMT
The film is about how McQueen became a born-again Christian; Mel Gibson is an interviewee. One can see the trailer here: Steve McQueen documentaryNow, the story could be quite compelling. I hope, however, that the filmmaker does not use McQueen as propaganda for proselytizing. And there will be an encore showings on October 10 and October 19.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Sept 28, 2017 6:18:36 GMT
This review from the Hollywood Reporter seems fair: review
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Post by vegalyra on Sept 28, 2017 14:27:52 GMT
Interesting news. Wish I could attend but I work full time and go to school at night. Ugh.
I recently rewatched Bullitt and the film should be remembered more than just for the car chase (which is the best car chase sequence of all time). McQueen gives an awesome performance. I mean Michael Mann basically ripped off the entire airport chase scene in Heat.
Papillon is a great film but I can't rewatch it very often. It's extremely gripping, but depressing at the same time.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 28, 2017 19:07:40 GMT
McQueen seemed to be a guy who valued his privacy. These tell-all exploitation films violate that basic human right. (imo)
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 4, 2017 0:50:20 GMT
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Oct 5, 2017 6:31:35 GMT
Interesting news. Wish I could attend but I work full time and go to school at night. Ugh. I recently rewatched Bullitt and the film should be remembered more than just for the car chase (which is the best car chase sequence of all time). McQueen gives an awesome performance. I mean Michael Mann basically ripped off the entire airport chase scene in Heat. Papillon is a great film but I can't rewatch it very often. It's extremely gripping, but depressing at the same time. In 2006 on IMDb, I wrote a long post suggesting a continuum between Bullitt and Dirty Harry and how one could tell a lot about how certain moods and feelings developed in American society between 1968 and 1971 by viewing these two San Francisco cop movies (both scored by Lalo Schifrin). The McQueen aficionado that I mentioned in my original post, who was around back then and experienced the era's history, said that my comments were excellent. In other words, yeah, there is a lot more going on in Bullitt than the car chase. I want to give the film another view (I saw it once, on Turner Classic Movies in November 2004), and when I think back to it, I actually do not think about the car chase. I think of the mood, the lighting, and McQueen's famously cool quietude becoming disquietude, signifying the changes that were occurring in America at that time and effectively becoming a signpost on the road to the stunning degree of alienation and moroseness that Eastwood would express in Dirty Harry.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Oct 5, 2017 6:40:29 GMT
I did not see it, but I may well attend one of the encore presentations. (The documentary is certainly hitting theaters again on October 10 and possibly once more on October 19.) I have to admit that I have not seen and studied McQueen's movies to the extent that I would prefer. I still have never seen his two early seventies films directed by Sam Peckinpah ( Junior Bonner and The Getaway); I actually have not seen The Towering Inferno or Enemy of the People; I have not seen his final film, The Hunter (outside of a scene here or there), and I have only viewed his other post-hiatus movie, the Western Tom Horn, once, almost twenty years ago now circa December 1997. I have not seen a number of his early starring roles in the early-to-mid-sixties (although I have seen The Blob, The Magnificent Seven, Hell Is for Heroes, and The Great Escape), and I have only seen parts of Nevada Smith and barely anything from The Sand Pebbles. Nor have I seen Le Mans, although there is apparently not much to see there from what became a disastrous production. I sort of would like to see all or most of McQueen's films, and see again all the movies of his that I have viewed just once, before taking in a documentary featuring scenes from throughout his career. But I do not know when I will be able to see all these films, and I recently recorded The Getaway on Turner Classic Movies. I will probably watch it during the next few days and then perhaps give the documentary a look; if so, I will subsequently relay my thoughts.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Oct 5, 2017 11:41:55 GMT
joekiddlouischamaSounds like a plan. You are in for some good movie watching. If you have not seen it already (and even if you have) Love with the Proper Stranger is well worth seeing. It's a quieter, modern McQueen. The Reivers is also good but rarely mentioned.
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Post by vegalyra on Oct 5, 2017 14:32:40 GMT
I've seen most of McQueen's catalog. There are a few that I haven't and many that haven't been viewed (by me) in quite some time.
I heartily recommend the Getaway and Hell is for Heroes in particular. I second Bat Outtaheck's recommendation of Love with the Proper Stranger as well. The War Lover is another great one.
joe: Your premise for your 2006 IMDB post is most interesting. By chance did you archive it? I'd love to read it. I have to agree that there were some major changes going on in American film and life in general during those years. I wasn't around back then but my parents were (they were in their late teens and early twenties by then).
If you aren't into cars or racing in particular you could probably skip LeMans. It was a pet project of McQueen's. It's very realistic but to the point where there isn't much of a plot outside of a man and his drive to win at any costs. It's probably blasphemous to even mention this, but Grand Prix is a better contemporary racing film (of the time) as the plot is at least a little deeper. James Garner was an accomplished driver as well.
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Post by petrolino on Oct 5, 2017 20:34:07 GMT
This review from the Hollywood Reporter seems fair: reviewSounds interesting. Hopefully they cover Steve McQueen's movie career. Thanks for the link.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Oct 19, 2017 11:56:46 GMT
I just viewed The Getaway, and I will probably attend the documentary this evening (the final showing).
... more later.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Oct 20, 2017 7:49:04 GMT
joekiddlouischama Sounds like a plan. You are in for some good movie watching. If you have not seen it already (and even if you have) Love with the Proper Stranger is well worth seeing. It's a quieter, modern McQueen. The Reivers is also good but rarely mentioned. I viewed The Reivers in August 2013 on Turner Classic Movies, and I enjoyed and appreciated it very much—I consider the film "very good." It is not necessarily great, but the movie—the denouement, especially—remains with you and proves memorable, even haunting. McQueen's role represents a refreshing change of pace. He is understated, for sure, but he is not "cool" in the iconic and iconographic modes that usually defined him. Although he headlines the film, he essentially plays a complementary character in a coming-of-age story that belongs to the young boy, played by Mitch Vogel. There is a sense of quietude and quaintness to The Reivers that one appreciates, and director Mark Rydell offers a nice feel for location shooting. (Significantly, Rydell would direct John Wayne in 1972's The Cowboys, arguably the best movie that Wayne starred in over the final fourteen years of his career.) I will look out for Love with the Proper Stranger on Turner Classic Movies.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Oct 20, 2017 11:24:04 GMT
I've seen most of McQueen's catalog. There are a few that I haven't and many that haven't been viewed (by me) in quite some time. I heartily recommend the Getaway and Hell is for Heroes in particular. I second Bat Outtaheck's recommendation of Love with the Proper Stranger as well. The War Lover is another great one. Yes, Hell Is for Heroes is memorable and searing. I viewed the film in 2005, and McQueen offers perhaps his most tense and misanthropic performance, transcending "coolness" and suggesting a more delicately poised and animalistic inner fury. Don Siegel constituted one of the best directors that McQueen would ever work with. The War Lover seems intriguing, so I will look out for that one on Turner Classic Movies. I viewed The Getaway yesterday, and I enjoyed and appreciated it quite a bit—based on an initial screening, I consider the film "good/very good." Like many movies from that era, the whole seems to be greater than the sum of its parts, even if the various parts are highly respectable. The plotting is pretty loose and is not necessarily that meaningful, nor does the movie amount to a consistent character study. But the atmosphere, mood, and milieu are all palpable, with the film evoking a seamy society full of depravity and perversity. In that sense, The Getaway is vaguely reminiscent of the superior Point Blank (John Boorman, 1967), starring Lee Marvin, from a half-decade earlier, but the feeling of decay and licentiousness has become more pervasive. Ironically, though, while The Getaway suggests that the law is corrupt or meaningless, the film holds onto a sense of morals via the notion of marital commitment. A vague sense of bend-yet-do-not-break loyalty and togetherness between a man and his wife emerges as the only reliable value in a capricious world full of double-crossers, hypocrites, and opportunists. Of course, this dynamic of fidelity amidst depravity hardly functions in a reactionary manner. Obliquely, The Getaway suggests that the Vietnam War has corroded American society. McQueen's paroled convict Doc McCoy is tantamount to a US Air Force POW returning to the States after several years of imprisonment in Hanoi, an analogy perhaps later reinforced on a train when the camera observes McCoy reading a newspaper featuring a headline regarding several American pilots who have been shot down over Laos. Meanwhile, children run around the train shooting water pistols. The subtext is not completely clear, but something is going on here. There is an oddly dislocated quality to The Getaway, one punctuated by Peckinpah's famous slow-motion treatment of gun violence. Indeed, while The Getaway is quite a violent film and one that fits into the early-seventies trend of escalating screen violence, Peckinpah's manner arguably heightens the indulgence and dilutes the impact. Still, much of the action—especially the final shootout sequence—is undeniably exciting, and Peckinpah understands how to use silence and stillness to foster tension and dread. Moreover, the dislocated quality encourages the film's sense of a desultory society, while the use of dusty Texas locales adds to that same sensibility. As McCoy, McQueen delivers a very solid performance as a hard-boiled hard man, almost a Bogart-like figure updated for an edgier time. Ali MacGraw's performance seems to be panned by many viewers, but her acting strikes me as realistic and as both sensuous and resolute. Her figure is intriguing in the sense that she at times seems to be the stereotypical woman who messes matters up for her man, yet she is also a courageous character with initiative and daring who participates in dangerous action. She may represent contradiction more than complexity, but she is multidimensional.
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Post by petrolino on Oct 21, 2017 0:56:47 GMT
I've seen most of McQueen's catalog. There are a few that I haven't and many that haven't been viewed (by me) in quite some time. I heartily recommend the Getaway and Hell is for Heroes in particular. I second Bat Outtaheck's recommendation of Love with the Proper Stranger as well. The War Lover is another great one. Yes, Hell Is for Heroes is memorable and searing. I viewed the film in 2005, and McQueen offers perhaps his most tense and misanthropic performance, transcending "coolness" and suggesting a more delicately poised and animalistic inner fury. Don Siegel constituted one of the best directors that McQueen would ever work with. The War Lover seems intriguing, so I will look out for that one on Turner Classic Movies. I viewed The Getaway yesterday, and I enjoyed and appreciated it quite a bit—based on an initial screening, I consider the film "good/very good." Like many movies from that era, the whole seems to be greater than the sum of its parts, even if the various parts are highly respectable. The plotting is pretty loose and is not necessarily that meaningful, nor does the movie amount to a consistent character study. But the atmosphere, mood, and milieu are all palpable, with the film evoking a seamy society full of depravity and perversity. In that sense, The Getaway is vaguely reminiscent of the superior Point Blank (John Boorman, 1967), starring Lee Marvin, from a half-decade earlier, but the feeling of decay and licentiousness has become more pervasive. Ironically, though, while The Getaway suggests that the law is corrupt or meaningless, the film holds onto a sense of morals via the notion of marital commitment. A vague sense of bend-yet-do-not-break loyalty and togetherness between a man and his wife emerges as the only reliable value in a capricious world full of double-crossers, hypocrites, and opportunists. Of course, this dynamic of fidelity amidst depravity hardly functions in a reactionary manner. Obliquely, The Getaway suggests that the Vietnam War has corroded American society. McQueen's paroled convict Doc McCoy is tantamount to a US Air Force POW returning to the States after several years of imprisonment in Hanoi, an analogy perhaps later reinforced on a train when the camera observes McCoy reading a newspaper featuring a headline regarding several American pilots who have been shot down over Laos. Meanwhile, children run around the train shooting water pistols. The subtext is not completely clear, but something is going on here. There is an oddly dislocated quality to The Getaway, one punctuated by Peckinpah's famous slow-motion treatment of gun violence. Indeed, while The Getaway is quite a violent film and one that fits into the early-seventies trend of escalating screen violence, Peckinpah's manner arguably heightens the indulgence and dilutes the impact. Still, much of the action—especially the final shootout sequence—is undeniably exciting, and Peckinpah understands how to use silence and stillness to foster tension and dread. Moreover, the dislocated quality encourages the film's sense of a desultory society, while the use of dusty Texas locales adds to that same sensibility. As McCoy, McQueen delivers a very solid performance as a hard-boiled hard man, almost a Bogart-like figure updated for an edgier time. Ali MacGraw's performance seems to be panned by many viewers, but her performance strikes me as realistic and as both sensuous and resolute. Her figure is intriguing in the sense that she at times seems to be the stereotypical woman who messes matters up for her man, yet she is also a courageous character with initiative and daring who participates in dangerous action. She may represent contradiction more than complexity, but she is multidimensional. I wrote here about 'Hell Is For Heroes' - good war picture from Don Siegel. Thanks for writing about 'The Getaway', that was a great read. This movie brought together alot of fine elements, led by action supremos Sam Peckinpah and Walter Hill bringing Jim Thompson to the screen. The casting is certainly unusual, I like Al Lettieri in this movie, what a creepozoid. Ali McGraw always takes heat for her performances, a bit like Katherine Ross, seems she's a beautiful, emotionless mannequin in some viewers' eyes. I think she's fine in this hard-boiled crime milieu. She's no Sissy Spacek in 'Prime Cut' (1972) or Barbara Hershey in 'Boxcar Bertha' (1972), but few are - they're the cream of the crop. The orgiastic violence orchestrated by Peckinpah with 'The Wild Bunch' (1969) gives way to a different kind of fetishistic bloodletting in 'The Getaway'. He was a fascinating talent.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Nov 12, 2017 12:13:19 GMT
I've seen most of McQueen's catalog. There are a few that I haven't and many that haven't been viewed (by me) in quite some time. I heartily recommend the Getaway and Hell is for Heroes in particular. I second Bat Outtaheck's recommendation of Love with the Proper Stranger as well. The War Lover is another great one. joe: Your premise for your 2006 IMDB post is most interesting. By chance did you archive it? I'd love to read it. I have to agree that there were some major changes going on in American film and life in general during those years. I wasn't around back then but my parents were (they were in their late teens and early twenties by then). If you aren't into cars or racing in particular you could probably skip LeMans. It was a pet project of McQueen's. It's very realistic but to the point where there isn't much of a plot outside of a man and his drive to win at any costs. It's probably blasphemous to even mention this, but Grand Prix is a better contemporary racing film (of the time) as the plot is at least a little deeper. James Garner was an accomplished driver as well. Unfortunately, I did not archive the post; at the time, I proved a bit complacent and unaware of how IMDb would periodically delete threads without any editorial discretion whatsoever. However, I will attempt to summarize and paraphrase my basic argument. (As a caveat, I have only seen Bullitt once, in November 2004; I wrote the post in the summer of 2006.) Basically, in Bullitt, McQueen's San Francisco cop is dour and one can sense his deepening restlessness and growing disillusionment with the hierarchical structure that he serves. But he is not quite sour or completely alienated—not yet, anyway—and not quite ready to become a full renegade. He is uneasy with the proverbial system, but he is not wrathful or spiteful towards it. And his life is not that bad—he has an elegant girlfriend, however perfunctory her presence may be, and dines at a nice restaurant. One can feel the clouds darkening, but the storm has not quite fully arrived, and one would be hard-pressed to envision him quitting his job. Now imagine Frank Bullitt three years down the road, after three more years of frustration, repression, and silently mounting bitterness. Imagine that he stops receiving haircuts as often and that he starts talking back to his bosses more vociferously. Imagine the dissolution of his romantic life amidst a fractured society where the veneer of consensus has collapsed. Now you are talking about Harry Callahan in Dirty Harry, a cop ultimately willing to abandon the authoritarian, hierarchical system that he serves. Even the films' respective scores, both composed and arranged by Lalo Schifrin, reflected this darkening, from Bullitt's breezy jazz to Dirty Harry's harsher, funkier, propulsive and at times exotic melange, which included melancholy keyboards, violent strings, and ahead-of-its-time thrash/speed-metal elements. The evolution between the two movies reflected the changes in American society between 1968 and 1971. Although the country descended into discord in 1968—a year seared by unspeakable violence in myriad forms—the vestiges of idealism, hope, and the potential to create constructive change, forces that had largely defined the 1960s, inside and outside the government—remained. Disillusionment was growing and sometimes exploding into bloodshed, but pessimism and alienation had not completely engulfed the country, and Bullitt perfectly reflected that profound ambivalence. Conversely, by 1971, those sanguine vestiges were gone, and Dirty Harry represented that sense of bleakness, grayness, and morose iconoclasm. The McQueen aficionado that I mentioned, who was about the same age as your parents and was living through these times and seeing these films as they came out (he also liked Eastwood, Lee Marvin, and others, although McQueen constituted his favorite), responded that my commentary was spot-on—"these are excellent points," he wrote, before commenting further. (By the way, if I come across him again in cyberspace, I will try to direct him to this board; we were still communicating when IMDb closed last February.) Incidentally, I recently came across a couple of other commentaries that would seem to confirm my argument. On November 7 on MSNBC's Morning Joe, the Washington Post's David Ignatius made the following statement regarding 1968: And last month, on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, the eponymous host closed one of his shows by commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of the famous march on the Pentagon in opposition to the Vietnam War. Matthews, then twenty-one-years old and a participant in the march, recalled the "innocence" and "prevailing good cheer" of the antiwar protesters, along with the "innocent" and "hopeful" nature of the antiwar movement at that time, despite the ominous reactionary repression. But then he noted that by the time that the US finally withdrew its forces from South Vietnam (the last combat troops came home in 1972, and the last regular military personnel returned in March 1973), "so much more bitterness" had been sown by the inertia of the federal government. linkIn other words, a lot changed in the national mood and disposition between 1968 and 1971, and two iconic and high-grossing San Francisco cop movies— Bullitt and Dirty Harry—perfectly reflected those changes. The movies, of course, were not disparate; instead, one can see a logical and remarkable progression that mirrored America's tempestuous evolution during that span. And Turner Classic Movies is airing Bullitt this afternoon, on November 12. I am going to record it, and hopefully the film will receive a fiftieth-anniversary theatrical re-release in 2018.
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Post by vegalyra on Nov 13, 2017 15:03:40 GMT
Joe:
Thanks for posting this, it's very insightful. I never really though about the transition from Bullitt to Dirty Harry but it makes perfect sense, especially with the changes that were going on in society during the period.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Oct 7, 2018 6:00:12 GMT
And Turner Classic Movies is airing Bullitt this afternoon, on November 12. I am going to record it, and hopefully the film will receive a fiftieth-anniversary theatrical re-release in 2018. While I recorded Bullitt last November, I did not view it—I just watched the introduction with Ben Mankiewicz and a veteran who had selected the film as part of a Veteran's Day celebration on Turner Classic Movies in which certain veterans selected films that proved meaningful to them. But tomorrow, on Sunday, October 7, and on Tuesday, October 9, certain theater chains will be showing Bullitt at 2:00 and 7:00 to commemorate the film's fiftieth anniversary—so check your local listings.
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