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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 30, 2017 2:59:56 GMT
I've said many times that DC was smart to keep their movies and TV shows separate since movies and TV are 2 different mediums. MCU was dumb to try to force their movies and TV shows to connect together and now MCU is quickly becoming an even bigger disaster than the Trump Presidency. Inhumans’ Failure Hurts MCUthe show arrives with a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes
But being bad (and in case that’s not been made abundantly clear, Inhumans is bad) and arriving on TV with minimal fanfare are the least of the problems. Sure, we’re unlikely to get a Season 2 unless there’s a major late-season turnaround and showrunner Scott Buck (who already delivered a Marvel dud with Iron Fist earlier this year) is running out of chances, but the real problem is what it means for the wider MCU.
Marvel TV is starting to try and square up to Marvel Studios – and failing terribly. But that’s all insular; to casual audiences on the outside, there’s just one big red logo. It is all connected, after all.
Because of the virgin MCU’s “it’s all connected” tagline, many more casual audience members not knowing the behind-the-scenes drama view movies and TV as the products of the same creatives. Naturally, they do all feed into a bigger picture of superhero proliferation and potential fatigue, but we’re talking more specifically about the Marvel logo; The Defenders‘ mixed reaction reflects on expectations for Thor: Ragnarok not because they’re both superpowered but because they’re from the same brand.
Inhumans‘ IMAX release made it even harder to distinguish. This was in cinemas. You were paying money to see it. It showed alongside Spider-Man: Homecoming in some multiplexes. A trailer for Ragnarok played before it. Obviously, it was a flatter proposal given the muted advertising befitting a TV show at the movies (indeed, its box office struggles do go to show that the Marvel logo alone isn’t enough for financial success) but it had that place as a movie experience.
the show’s sense of place in a complete world is nonexistent; the only outside connections are very vague repercussions from that S.H.I.E.L.D. set up. It reflects badly on the MCU by association.
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Post by gromel on Sept 30, 2017 17:18:58 GMT
Eh non-movie stuff is only Canon on paper. One-sided relationship. Most people will only see the movies which is what really counts.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 30, 2017 18:43:52 GMT
Eh non-movie stuff is only Canon on paper. One-sided relationship. Most people will only see the movies which is what really counts. And Inhumans was shown in theaters. So most people associate Inhumans as another MCU movie and associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure. |
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Post by damngumby on Sept 30, 2017 20:07:54 GMT
The MCU is so incredibly successful, it can absorb a failure or two without batting an eye ... particularly if few people even knows the failure occurred.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 30, 2017 20:28:13 GMT
Eh non-movie stuff is only Canon on paper. One-sided relationship. Most people will only see the movies which is what really counts. And Inhumans was shown in theaters. So most people associate Inhumans as another MCU movie and associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure. No they don't, they knew it was a TV series and its first two episodes would premiere in IMAX. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 30, 2017 21:35:22 GMT
Eh non-movie stuff is only Canon on paper. One-sided relationship. Most people will only see the movies which is what really counts. And Inhumans was shown in theaters. So most people associate Inhumans as another MCU movie and associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure. Big fuckin' whoop if it's a failure. It doesn't hurt the MCU in anyway. But you'll probably get off on it you sick little freak. |
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Post by politicidal on Oct 1, 2017 16:30:18 GMT
I'm just more surprised Alex Leadbetter is criticizing the MCU at all.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 1, 2017 23:08:50 GMT
Eh non-movie stuff is only Canon on paper. One-sided relationship. Most people will only see the movies which is what really counts. And Inhumans was shown in theaters. So most people associate Inhumans as another MCU movie and associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure. Actually, it was shown in IMAX. Not in theaters. There is a huge difference between normal theaters and IMAX. And most people didn't even know it was in IMAX. Also, it was advertised as the 1st 2 episodes of a tv series. Why would anyone go and pay all that money to see a preview of a tv series that will be on tv a short time later? That was a bungle by Marvel tv. Especially for a show ran by the same guy that had bad reception from Iron Fist. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 1, 2017 23:56:08 GMT
And Inhumans was shown in theaters. So most people associate Inhumans as another MCU movie and associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure. Actually, it was shown in IMAX. Not in theaters. There is a huge difference between normal theaters and IMAX. The only difference is you pay more money and the screen is bigger. But for most people, IMAX, 3D, and IMAX 3-D are all still theater. Whether it's IMAX, 3D, IMAX 3-D, or regular theater, they go to the theater, pay money to enter, sit in an auditorium and watch the movie on a large screen.
In most cities, the large multiplex theaters have both regular theaters and an IMAX theater. So for 99% of movie watchers, they don't call it an "IMAX theater", they just call it a theater, and IMAX movie is still a theatrical movie. And since Inhumans was shown in theaters, most people associate Inhumans as another MCU failure and associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2017 7:03:34 GMT
Guys, I'm worried about the MCU...
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Post by dazz on Oct 2, 2017 10:28:39 GMT
Firstly why the fuck do you post that same shit on both boards? whats the fucking purpose of that? Secondly no one associates Inhumans with an MCU film because of it's specific release, hence why Inhumans did so little box office, if anyone actually thought it was a real MCU film even piss poor as it was Inhumans would have made minimum $10m opening weekend box office.
Also it's release is a clear sign it wasn't a real MCU film, most MCU films do around 4000 theatres Inhumans did 393, less than 1/10th that of the typical Marvel film, and also works out to be close to 1 theatre for every 50 towns/cities in the US...no one considers this a MCU film, it was a cash grab to try and make some extra quick cash from a upcoming TV series that's all.
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Post by DSDSquared on Oct 2, 2017 12:16:33 GMT
Inhumans is terrible, but it is not connected to the MCU at all and the MCU is fine. Let's get real. The anticipation just for the Infinity Wars trailer is larger than the anticipation for the Justice League movie.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 2, 2017 15:02:57 GMT
Inhumans is terrible, but it is not connected to the MCU at all and the MCU is fine. Let's get real. The anticipation just for the Infinity Wars trailer is larger than the anticipation for the Justice League movie. That is true, it was the most talked about trailer at D23 and Comic Con three months ago, and not everyone saw it. Only a small fraction of lucky fans got to see it, and they it is one of the best trailers ever. Hell, the Thor: Ragnarok Comic Con trailer has more views than the Justice League Comic Con trailer. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 2, 2017 15:19:10 GMT
it's release is a clear sign it wasn't a real MCU film, most MCU films do around 4000 theatres Inhumans did 393, less than 1/10th that of the typical Marvel film, and also works out to be close to 1 theatre for every 50 towns/cities in the US And 99% of movie viewers don't give a shit about that. I watched Wonder Woman at a local theater. I also watched A United Kingdom at a local theater. I don't give a shit how many more theaters Wonder Woman was in compared to A United Kingdom. I watched both at local theaters so both are theatrical movies as far as I'm concerned.
Same with Inhumans. People who watched Inhumans in theaters don't give a shit about how many or how few theaters Inhumans was in. They went to a theater (not just an "IMAX theater, but a theater) that has both regular movies and IMAX movies and they paid money to enter and sit in an auditorium and watched Inhumans and saw the Marvel Studios logo at the beginning of the movie. So they associate Inhumans as an MCU movie, and they associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 15:28:37 GMT
it's release is a clear sign it wasn't a real MCU film, most MCU films do around 4000 theatres Inhumans did 393, less than 1/10th that of the typical Marvel film, and also works out to be close to 1 theatre for every 50 towns/cities in the US And 99% of movie viewers don't give a shit about that. I watched Wonder Woman at a local theater. I also watched A United Kingdom at a local theater. I don't give a shit how many more theaters Wonder Woman was in compared to A United Kingdom. I watched both at local theaters so both are theatrical movies as far as I'm concerned.
Same with Inhumans. People who watched Inhumans in theaters don't give a shit about how many or how few theaters Inhumans was in. They went to a theater (not just an "IMAX theater, but a theater) that has both regular movies and IMAX movies and they paid money to enter and sit in an auditorium and watched Inhumans and saw the Marvel Studios logo at the beginning of the movie. So they associate Inhumans as an MCU movie, and they associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure.
The Marvel Studios logo wasnt at the beginning. The same logo as appears for FoX-men movies appeared because it was the tv division. So there goes your theory... |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 2, 2017 15:42:20 GMT
it's release is a clear sign it wasn't a real MCU film, most MCU films do around 4000 theatres Inhumans did 393, less than 1/10th that of the typical Marvel film, and also works out to be close to 1 theatre for every 50 towns/cities in the US And 99% of movie viewers don't give a shit about that. I watched Wonder Woman at a local theater. I also watched A United Kingdom at a local theater. I don't give a shit how many more theaters Wonder Woman was in compared to A United Kingdom. I watched both at local theaters so both are theatrical movies as far as I'm concerned.
Same with Inhumans. People who watched Inhumans in theaters don't give a shit about how many or how few theaters Inhumans was in. They went to a theater (not just an "IMAX theater, but a theater) that has both regular movies and IMAX movies and they paid money to enter and sit in an auditorium and watched Inhumans and saw the Marvel Studios logo at the beginning of the movie. So they associate Inhumans as an MCU movie, and they associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure.
Other TV shows have had limited theatrical runs where, just like Inhumans, they presented two episodes to an audience. Game of Thrones did this with episodes 9 and 10 of its fourth season and like Inhumans it played for IMAX screens. Would you call that a movie? No, of course not. Inhumans was never advertised as a movie, it was always promoted as a television series. IMAX was just used to give it an extra push, but it was always designed to be a television series and the first two episodes that were filmed for the format do not tell a complete story and a montage of upcoming episodes was played directly after the second episode. Also, the Marvel Studios logo, this one - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKxxmxU8GNo, did not play in front of the Inhumans, the standard Marvel logo did like it does with all other Marvel TV shows, again highlighting that while from the same company not the same creative team - Once more, Kevin Feige has no call to make on the TV division, Jeph Loeb does and before him Ike Perlmutter. |
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Post by dazz on Oct 2, 2017 15:54:05 GMT
it's release is a clear sign it wasn't a real MCU film, most MCU films do around 4000 theatres Inhumans did 393, less than 1/10th that of the typical Marvel film, and also works out to be close to 1 theatre for every 50 towns/cities in the US And 99% of movie viewers don't give a shit about that. I watched Wonder Woman at a local theater. I also watched A United Kingdom at a local theater. I don't give a shit how many more theaters Wonder Woman was in compared to A United Kingdom. I watched both at local theaters so both are theatrical movies as far as I'm concerned.
Same with Inhumans. People who watched Inhumans in theaters don't give a shit about how many or how few theaters Inhumans was in. They went to a theater (not just an "IMAX theater, but a theater) that has both regular movies and IMAX movies and they paid money to enter and sit in an auditorium and watched Inhumans and saw the Marvel Studios logo at the beginning of the movie. So they associate Inhumans as an MCU movie, and they associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure.
Well done on only quoting the part of my post that you think backs your point, I say that you think because it in fact does not align with your pov, you look at things in your narrow bubble of perception not that which the rest of the world sees things as, 1/10th of the theatres means 1/10th the exposure, it means 1/10 of the availability, it also means a fraction of the marketing because Marvel weren't going to do a $70-100m months long marketing campaign to promote the film, most people did not know about Inhumans being in theatres, most people as I said the 99.998% of the fanbase if not more see the MCU 2017 line up as GOTG2, SMH & Thor 3.
And no most don't see Inhumans as an MCU failure because most didn't know about those who did knew it was a Marvel TV show being aired early in I-Max for a limited run and those who knew split between going or not, those who saw Inhumans in theatres is 1 to over 2000 who didn't the huge vast majority didn't see Inhumans, they didn't know let alone care about it, you presume you are the norm, but you are not.
The fact it made so little proves this, Marvel have put out some meh films but they all do big money, DC put out some stinkers they still make huge money, Sony & Fox also put out shitholes and still the lowest any make unless female led is still in the $100's of millions, Inhumans didn't do $3m worldwide that's proof no one saw this as an MCU film.
The only ones who see this as an MCU failure are the likes of you, gibbering fudgemonkeys who jerk themselves into a frothy frenzy anytime they can knock Marvel, so stop it or it'll make you go blind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 22:23:30 GMT
HAHAHA! Inhumans marks the beginning of the end of the MCU.  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 2, 2017 23:14:26 GMT
HAHAHA! Inhumans marks the beginning of the end of the MCU. Nah, it barely made a dent. Thor Ragnarok will eat Justice League alive. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 2, 2017 23:56:13 GMT
Actually, it was shown in IMAX. Not in theaters. There is a huge difference between normal theaters and IMAX. The only difference is you pay more money and the screen is bigger. But for most people, IMAX, 3D, and IMAX 3-D are all still theater. Whether it's IMAX, 3D, IMAX 3-D, or regular theater, they go to the theater, pay money to enter, sit in an auditorium and watch the movie on a large screen.
In most cities, the large multiplex theaters have both regular theaters and an IMAX theater. So for 99% of movie watchers, they don't call it an "IMAX theater", they just call it a theater, and IMAX movie is still a theatrical movie. And since Inhumans was shown in theaters, most people associate Inhumans as another MCU failure and associate the Inhumans' failure as an MCU failure.
You are so wrong. A person wouldn't go see an IMAX movie as a regular thing. For one thing, IMAX doesn't show regular movies all the time. So people would have a regular theater they'd go to. And most cities don't have IMAX and regular theaters in one place. There are actual IMAX theaters separate from regular theaters as it's own thing. And again, who would pay extra money (more than a regular movie ticket) to watch 2 episodes of a tv show that will start soon anyway? Who has talked about Inhumans as if it was a MCU movie? Nobody has even seen it outside of tv besides critics. Hell, even the Youtube critics waited for tv. |
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