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Post by azzajones on Oct 1, 2017 22:11:42 GMT
This is an issue I've had with the film since I first watched it, it occured to me while watching the scene, and it's not an issue I've found raised by anyone else. Poe & Finn escape the Star Destroyer by stealing a TIE Fighter, which made no sense to me, because as far as I know TIE fighters aren't equipped with hyperdrives, therefore are incapable of going to light speed, so in they'd be going nowhere fast. Surely the best pilot in the Resistance would've been smarter than that and stolen a shuttle with a hyperdrive, so they could properly escape from the First Order.
Maybe it's just me and this makes sense to everyone else.
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Post by Surly on Oct 2, 2017 19:37:07 GMT
This is an issue I've had with the film since I first watched it, it occured to me while watching the scene, and it's not an issue I've found raised by anyone else. Poe & Finn escape the Star Destroyer by stealing a TIE Fighter, which made no sense to me, because as far as I know TIE fighters aren't equipped with hyperdrives, therefore are incapable of going to light speed, so in they'd be going nowhere fast. Surely the best pilot in the Resistance would've been smarter than that and stolen a shuttle with a hyperdrive, so they could properly escape from the First Order. Maybe it's just me and this makes sense to everyone else. No it makes perfect sense. Somebody might argue that Poe intended to go back to Jakku anyway. But Finn didn't. You think he would've said something. Is Finn the most clueless, incompetent Stormtrooper in the galaxy?!? This is just one more example of how Finn's characterization didn't match his elite programming. And then you realize that even if Poe was going back to Jakku all along what was he planning to do once he got BB8? He sure wasn't going to get anywhere away from Jakku in a TIE fighter. The whole movie is just filled with contrived details like this. But people who went crazy over all of the nostalgic rehash were too busy slobbering to notice. |
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Post by azzajones on Oct 3, 2017 9:28:23 GMT
Another thing with stealing a TIE fighter, what prevents the Star Destroyer from launching its remaining TIE fighters in pursuit?
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Post by ryboto on Oct 3, 2017 16:49:30 GMT
Another thing with stealing a TIE fighter, what prevents the Star Destroyer from launching its remaining TIE fighters in pursuit? Or using a tractor beam? |
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Post by shinnickneth on Oct 3, 2017 19:13:25 GMT
No it makes perfect sense. Somebody might argue that Poe intended to go back to Jakku anyway. But Finn didn't. You think he would've said something. Is Finn the most clueless, incompetent Stormtrooper in the galaxy?!? This is just one more example of how Finn's characterization didn't match his elite programming. And then you realize that even if Poe was going back to Jakku all along what was he planning to do once he got BB8? He sure wasn't going to get anywhere away from Jakku in a TIE fighter. The whole movie is just filled with contrived details like this. But people who went crazy over all of the nostalgic rehash were too busy slobbering to notice. Finn was involved in Sanitation. He wasn't a pilot, so his expertise or knowledge of spaceships wasn't necessary. If the First Order is anything like the Empire in this regard (which they seem to have copied everything about the Empire), the generic Stormtroopers typically weren't ever seen piloting very much in the OT. They had these special pilots in the OT:  and they seem to use these in Episode 7:  |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 3, 2017 20:13:06 GMT
maybe these new Ties have hyper drives, who knows (there must be some vehicle info). Anyway the are shot down as easily as sitting ducks as Poe demonstrated when sitting in one or when taking them down.
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Post by azzajones on Oct 4, 2017 5:16:54 GMT
No it makes perfect sense. Somebody might argue that Poe intended to go back to Jakku anyway. But Finn didn't. You think he would've said something. Is Finn the most clueless, incompetent Stormtrooper in the galaxy?!? This is just one more example of how Finn's characterization didn't match his elite programming. And then you realize that even if Poe was going back to Jakku all along what was he planning to do once he got BB8? He sure wasn't going to get anywhere away from Jakku in a TIE fighter. The whole movie is just filled with contrived details like this. But people who went crazy over all of the nostalgic rehash were too busy slobbering to notice. Finn was involved in Sanitation. He wasn't a pilot, so his expertise or knowledge of spaceships wasn't necessary. If the First Order is anything like the Empire in this regard (which they seem to have copied everything about the Empire), the generic Stormtroopers typically weren't ever seen piloting very much in the OT. They had these special pilots in the OT: and they seem to use these in Episode 7: Finn wasn't so much the issue as it was Poe who was, allegedly, the best pilot in the Resistance - surely he should've said to Finn "We won't get anywhere in a TIE, we gotta steal the shuttle". |
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Post by shinnickneth on Oct 5, 2017 7:56:41 GMT
Finn wasn't so much the issue as it was Poe who was, allegedly, the best pilot in the Resistance - surely he should've said to Finn "We won't get anywhere in a TIE, we gotta steal the shuttle". That's a reasonable criticism. Perhaps he thought a TIE fighter is better than no ship at all? He was, after all, just being held prisoner prior to Finn intervening. Beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.  Unfortunately, Poe doesn't seem to be much of the "calculating type" of character. He seems to be more like Han Solo where there isn't much planning ahead and mostly just reacting to any circumstance that arise in his path. I do like Poe though. Out of the main three, I wish he had been given more screen time. |
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Oct 5, 2017 8:50:25 GMT
At least the new Tie's aren't the Ford Pinto's of the Star Wars Universe anymore. Only took them 30 years to fix that!  |
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Post by Surly on Oct 10, 2017 21:36:07 GMT
No it makes perfect sense. Somebody might argue that Poe intended to go back to Jakku anyway. But Finn didn't. You think he would've said something. Is Finn the most clueless, incompetent Stormtrooper in the galaxy?!? This is just one more example of how Finn's characterization didn't match his elite programming. And then you realize that even if Poe was going back to Jakku all along what was he planning to do once he got BB8? He sure wasn't going to get anywhere away from Jakku in a TIE fighter. The whole movie is just filled with contrived details like this. But people who went crazy over all of the nostalgic rehash were too busy slobbering to notice. Finn was involved in Sanitation. He wasn't a pilot, so his expertise or knowledge of spaceships wasn't necessary. If the First Order is anything like the Empire in this regard (which they seem to have copied everything about the Empire), the generic Stormtroopers typically weren't ever seen piloting very much in the OT. They had these special pilots in the OT: and they seem to use these in Episode 7:  There's only one problem with this "Finn was a sanitation worker so he wouldn't know about TIE fighters" logic. The movie proved that Finn did actually know about TIE fighters. When Rey was trying to shake off those TIE fighters on Jakku, Finn told her to "Fly low. It confuses their tracking." They really should've hired a quality control person. But hey - this contrivedly pieced together story full of fan service overdose did make 2 billion dollars. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Oct 10, 2017 22:50:18 GMT
There's only one problem with this "Finn was a sanitation worker so he wouldn't know about TIE fighters" logic. The movie proved that Finn did actually know about TIE fighters. When Rey was trying to shake off those TIE fighters on Jakku, Finn told her to "Fly low. It confuses their tracking." They really should've hired a quality control person. But hey - this contrivedly pieced together story full of fan service overdose did make 2 billion dollars. I don't know, man. I didn't write the movie. Get off my back!  The only conclusion I can make, and this is based on something only briefly shown in the movie, Finn had a bit of camaraderie with other Stormtroopers. Maybe at some point he talked with one of them who griped about The First Order's tracking system? I know in our world, military personnel will complain to each other about the low points. Maybe that's what Stormtroopers will do? We know in Episode 4 when Obi-Wan is walking around the Death Star, the Stormtroopers do gossip with each other. |
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