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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 22:17:24 GMT
Does anyone else find CGI effects in horror movies very ineffective? For me, CGi is great in a big action movie but in horror it always fails to be scary or in any way creepy. Mama is a good example of a movie that had a very creepy atmosphere until you actually saw the ghost. Nothing less scary that a digital ghost charging at the screen. For me horror is the one genre that works so much better when they use practical effects. If you disagree, don't bother replying.
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Post by Flynn on Mar 3, 2017 22:42:20 GMT
I agree completely, so I can comment. :-)
For me, horror works best when its resources are limited. It is absolutely vital that most aesthetic effects be performed in the camera, not in post. This is because post-production manipulation always introduces a degree of realistic falseness. The earliest horror stories capitalized on the idea of being "based on a true story," and that is an idea that continues to this day, regardless of whether it is explicitly stated.
CGI often feels fake, and therefore counteracts the mood. For instance, the real billowing sheets in Friday the 13th Part 3 set an eerie mood, but the CGI sheets in The Conjuring draw attention to themselves. This destroy the sense of reality, which affects the mood of the film.
The Friday the 13th reboot was marred in my opinion by using CGI. The girl under the docks, the girl who was impaled near the end. The CGI immediately takes me out of the scene.
And for the Elm Street reboot, I watched the movie wondering why the side of Freddy's face looked so "blurry," not at all like the rest of his face. It turned out to be a patch of CGI. Why would anyone make that choice?
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Post by naterdawg on Mar 3, 2017 23:02:01 GMT
I also don't like CGI'd ghosts, and Mama and Crimson Peak were great examples of it being done poorly.
I also hate the following CGI'd "things:"
(1) CGI'd breath when it's not really cold outside.
(2) CGI'd city scapes, like on Fox's Gotham
(3) CGI'd SHARKS - that REALLY bugs me. Give me Spielberg's Bruce any time over the CGI stuff in The Shallows.
(4) Making people look younger--like Robert Downey in Captain America: Civil War. They're going to do that to Johnny Depp in Pirate #5.
(5) Making people old - like they did with Brad Pitt in Benjamin Button.
(6) CGI'd water, like in any movie involving the ocean.
(7) CGI'd snakes and tigers - Disney's Jungle Book didn't do a thing for me.
(8) CGI in live action movies that are based on animation--like in Disney's live-action Cinderella, with those cutesy and fake-looking mice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 23:36:17 GMT
Agreed. One of the worst offenders was PA The Ghost Dimension. The first couple of movies were pretty good imo and then they got repetitive. Ghost Dimension decided to finally show us the demon and it was pretty much the smoke monster from Lost. Really took any tension and atmosphere left in these movies and threw it out the window. I also hate slasher movies with cgi blood lol it's so noticeble. In regards to the remake of nightmare on elm street, I actually liked it. But having the OTT visual effects made the dreams sequences less atmospheric than they were in the original movie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 23:37:45 GMT
The CG baby in Inside (2007) almost ruined it. If they cut that out it would be a better film.
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Post by Flynn on Mar 4, 2017 4:13:32 GMT
Agreed. One of the worst offenders was PA The Ghost Dimension. The first couple of movies were pretty good imo and then they got repetitive. Ghost Dimension decided to finally show us the demon and it was pretty much the smoke monster from Lost. Really took any tension and atmosphere left in these movies and threw it out the window. I also hate slasher movies with cgi blood lol it's so noticeble. In regards to the remake of nightmare on elm street, I actually liked it. But having the OTT visual effects made the dreams sequences less atmospheric than they were in the original movie. I actually think Nightmare on Elm Street is one of the few horror films where you can get away with CGI. Since the film involves dreams, an adherence to realism isn't required. CGI would be perfect to make the dream sequences feel more surreal. But CGI shouldn't be used outside of dream sequences, and it definitely shouldn't be used to simulate a practical effect from the original. You're just asking for trouble if you do that.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 4, 2017 7:27:51 GMT
My signature on IMDb was:
CG gore is the worst thing that has ever happened to the horror genre.
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Post by novastar6 on Mar 4, 2017 16:45:39 GMT
Horror movies were better when the effects had to be real. That's why the original Night of the Demons is so kick-ass, you know they spent hours getting that crap plastered to their skin, they actually got set on fire, it was dangerous, it was real, that's what made it great.
CGI horror is so bad I don't even know where to start. Except one that always comes to mind how crappy it is, Return to House on Haunted Hill was a BAAAAAD movie overall, but the cremation scene was just lame, that doesn't look like somebody being set on fire in an oven.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 22:28:35 GMT
I think CGI is at it's worst when it's in ghost movies. I just don't find a CGI ghost is very scary. It isn't creepy and doesn't make me feel uneasy the way a ghost story should do. The Babadook is an example of a movie that uses practical effects and it is absolutely chilling. Mama is the world offender imo as that movie could have been fucking scary if it wasn't for the laughable CGI creature.
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Post by novastar6 on Mar 5, 2017 1:05:32 GMT
I think CGI is at it's worst when it's in ghost movies. I just don't find a CGI ghost is very scary. It isn't creepy and doesn't make me feel uneasy the way a ghost story should do. The Babadook is an example of a movie that uses practical effects and it is absolutely chilling. Mama is the world offender imo as that movie could have been fucking scary if it wasn't for the laughable CGI creature. I actually can't think of too many ghost movies but I completely agree. In fact the scariest 'ghost' movies are the ones where we don't even see the ghosts, Haunting of Hill House for example, though I'll admit the first time I saw 13 Ghosts some of them freaked the hell out of me. On that note though, can we talk about House on Haunted Hill vs. Return to House on Haunted Hill? The remake...most of the ghosts just look like people, the staff, the patients, yes there are freaky as hell things like that groaning ghoul in the corner and the decapitated heads in jars screaming, etc., but most of the ghosts, until that final thing is released, just look like people. The sequel...what the hell was wrong with the faces of those two...patients? doctors...pulling the guy to pieces with the sheets? You never got a GOOD look at the faces but you KNOW they were deformed somehow, what was up with that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 1:08:08 GMT
The original House on haunted hill with Vincent Price is a very chilling movie. Absolutely love that. The remake with Geoffery Rush was decent. And yes I agree, for the most part the ghosts look good apart from that giant cgi ghost at the end lol. The sequal I only ever saw once and you're right it was atrocious.
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Post by naterdawg on Mar 5, 2017 1:52:35 GMT
The scariest part of the "new" House on Haunted Hill was a roller coaster ride with a broken rail.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 1:58:19 GMT
Lol. I still enjoyed the movie though. I've actually been on that roller coaster so it was fun to see that too. The Hulk in orlando.
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Post by novastar6 on Mar 5, 2017 4:27:14 GMT
The scariest part of the "new" House on Haunted Hill was a roller coaster ride with a broken rail. As a kid I NEVER got that part and yes it WAS very freaky.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 5, 2017 5:21:33 GMT
It usually looks like crap to me. If its used sparingly I dont mind but some movies take it too far.
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Post by novastar6 on Mar 5, 2017 7:17:26 GMT
It usually looks like crap to me. If its used sparingly I dont mind but some movies take it too far. Indeeeeeeeed, when you can actually pinpoint where it is, and you can do that a lot in horror movies, then it is NOT working.
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Post by Dontrocktheboat on Mar 7, 2017 0:37:59 GMT
Its lazy and ineffective. It can take me out of it.
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