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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 25, 2017 0:03:51 GMT
It's not so much being a role model or anything like that, it's just acknowledging that yeah, he's a Marine, and once a Marine, always one, and to honor that, it'd be a great idea to release it on the Marine Corps birthday. But also, a big part of the Punisher is the plight of returning service men and women, which they actually took very seriously when they developed the show. And Veteran Day is the next day as well, and it'd be honoring all veterans because believe it or not, the Punisher character is held in high regard within military units today, especially Marine Corps units. Chris Kyle's unit was one of the first to adopt the Punisher logo. So yeah, releasing it on the Marine Corps birthday and Veterans Day would be a huge thank you towards every service men and women and their families for this service. He no longer honors the code of being a Marine which is to serve and protect this great country of ours. And if they accept him just because he was once a Marine then I don't think that says much about them. In fact it says that they accept violence and killing over honor and righteousness. I think they can do better. Captain America for instance. Or is he too boring?
The Punisher is fun as a fictional character, but he's no role model or anything to aspire to.
Captain America aided and abetted a double-murderer to escape from the authorities so he's no role model either. Also, Captain America basically spit on the U.S. Constitution and said he doesn't believe in trial by jury as guaranteed by the Constitution and he believes that he alone should be judge and jury. That kind of tyranny that Captain America favors is as anti-American as you can get.
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Post by dazz on Oct 25, 2017 0:13:41 GMT
He no longer honors the code of being a Marine which is to serve and protect this great country of ours. And if they accept him just because he was once a Marine then I don't think that says much about them. In fact it says that they accept violence and killing over honor and righteousness. I think they can do better. Captain America for instance. Or is he too boring?
The Punisher is fun as a fictional character, but he's no role model or anything to aspire to.
Captain America aided and abetted a double-murderer to escape from the authorities so he's no role model either. Also, Captain America basically spit on the U.S. Constitution and said he doesn't believe in trial by jury as guaranteed by the Constitution and he believes that he alone should be judge and jury. That kind of tyranny that Captain America favors is as anti-American as you can get. Not that I disagree about Cap being a dick, I do, Caps a hypocrite and a pos as a friend to anyone under 80 years old, but keep in mind Cap wasn't going against US constitution and such but UN laws and policies, a minor quibble but Cap doesn't break US laws as any infractions he commits are done in foreign countries or in the middle of the ocean, not on US soil, although maybe the sea prison counts but only if it falls under the idea that it's laws are that of it's home nations, then that requires it to be a US operation and not a UN one.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 25, 2017 0:30:42 GMT
He no longer honors the code of being a Marine which is to serve and protect this great country of ours. And if they accept him just because he was once a Marine then I don't think that says much about them. In fact it says that they accept violence and killing over honor and righteousness. I think they can do better. Captain America for instance. Or is he too boring?
The Punisher is fun as a fictional character, but he's no role model or anything to aspire to.
Captain America aided and abetted a double-murderer to escape from the authorities so he's no role model either. Also, Captain America basically spit on the U.S. Constitution and said he doesn't believe in trial by jury as guaranteed by the Constitution and he believes that he alone should be judge and jury. That kind of tyranny that Captain America favors is as anti-American as you can get. I think those are very specific stories you're talking about there, certainly NOT the norm for Cap. Whereas the norm for Punisher is to be a killer.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 25, 2017 0:57:24 GMT
It's not so much being a role model or anything like that, it's just acknowledging that yeah, he's a Marine, and once a Marine, always one, and to honor that, it'd be a great idea to release it on the Marine Corps birthday. But also, a big part of the Punisher is the plight of returning service men and women, which they actually took very seriously when they developed the show. And Veteran Day is the next day as well, and it'd be honoring all veterans because believe it or not, the Punisher character is held in high regard within military units today, especially Marine Corps units. Chris Kyle's unit was one of the first to adopt the Punisher logo. So yeah, releasing it on the Marine Corps birthday and Veterans Day would be a huge thank you towards every service men and women and their families for this service. Ok I believe you, but I think that's too bad, since the Punisher is just a fucking nut. Like I said, he's a fun character for escapism, but when you stop to think about it he's actually an insane criminal himself. Just because he limits his killing to other criminals doesn't make him less of a criminal or a nut.
As a matter of fact, the very best stories of the Punisher are always that ones that deal with how thin the line is between his morality and his insanity. The best writers have mined that element in this character to powerful effect; Garth Ennis for one.
He no longer honors the code of being a Marine which is to serve and protect this great country of ours. And if they accept him just because he was once a Marine then I don't think that says much about them. In fact it says that they accept violence and killing over honor and righteousness. I think they can do better. Captain America for instance. Or is he too boring?
The Punisher is fun as a fictional character, but he's no role model or anything to aspire to.
Yeah, he's a nut and everything, but he's still very much a soldier, a Marine at heart even back at home and still at war. It's always been part of the character in the comics and even Daredevil established that. And, in a sick and twisted way obviously, he still is serving and protecting our country from criminals, and as the first season will deal with, corrupt military figures, those who dishonor the uniform and the flag. Even one of the character arc in the series will actually be dealing with PTSD and returning veterans and the producers said they're treating it very seriously without glorifying military stereotypes. That's a big service to all veterans. Yes, the Punisher is a fictional character and yes he's killing people up to eleven in such extreme ways, but that's just the other aspect of the character where readers decide if he's crossing that line or not. As gung-ho as it may sound, my brother is in the army and he said that the whole mentality, once a soldier always a soldier is very true, especially with the Marine Corps. And today, he's an icon to the military as some units have actually adopted the Punisher symbol. I just think the creators really missed an opportunity to honor the Marine Corps on their birthday and Veterans on Veteran's Day weekend.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 25, 2017 7:12:41 GMT
Agreed. I was going to post the same thing, but then he would've threw a hissy fit and whined and complained to the Admin to ban me for writing that. He's already tried to get me banned previously and was unsuccessful. I wouldn't expect you to understand. Admin scabab
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 25, 2017 11:32:33 GMT
He no longer honors the code of being a Marine which is to serve and protect this great country of ours. And if they accept him just because he was once a Marine then I don't think that says much about them. In fact it says that they accept violence and killing over honor and righteousness. I think they can do better. Captain America for instance. Or is he too boring?
The Punisher is fun as a fictional character, but he's no role model or anything to aspire to.
Captain America aided and abetted a double-murderer to escape from the authorities so he's no role model either. Also, Captain America basically spit on the U.S. Constitution and said he doesn't believe in trial by jury as guaranteed by the Constitution and he believes that he alone should be judge and jury. That kind of tyranny that Captain America favors is as anti-American as you can get. If Batman or Superman did that stuff, you wouldn't care.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 25, 2017 11:55:59 GMT
Woah, woah, woah hold on, who said that Frank Castle is a role model? He's not, he's a broken war veteran who lost his family to criminals and responded to it by killing them. He's someone who feels like the Justice system in the country is a failure and he seems to punish the guilty. Rapist, Murders, Pedophiles, ect, have been some of his targets so naturally he comes off as someone who you would root for. "He shot the dude dick off and than slit his throat for raping a that woman? Fuck yeah!" "He beaten a man skull in for trying to fuck a 8 year old girl? Fuck Yeah! Go Frank!". But he's not a role model, he's a deranged psychopath who not only believes he's still at war but had actually said he enjoys killing.
Not sure why you would call him a role model, not every comic bookcharacter needs to be a boy scout like Superman or Captain America.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 25, 2017 14:29:00 GMT
Ok I believe you, but I think that's too bad, since the Punisher is just a fucking nut. Like I said, he's a fun character for escapism, but when you stop to think about it he's actually an insane criminal himself. Just because he limits his killing to other criminals doesn't make him less of a criminal or a nut.
As a matter of fact, the very best stories of the Punisher are always that ones that deal with how thin the line is between his morality and his insanity. The best writers have mined that element in this character to powerful effect; Garth Ennis for one.
He no longer honors the code of being a Marine which is to serve and protect this great country of ours. And if they accept him just because he was once a Marine then I don't think that says much about them. In fact it says that they accept violence and killing over honor and righteousness. I think they can do better. Captain America for instance. Or is he too boring?
The Punisher is fun as a fictional character, but he's no role model or anything to aspire to.
Yeah, he's a nut and everything, but he's still very much a soldier, a Marine at heart even back at home and still at war. It's always been part of the character in the comics and even Daredevil established that. And, in a sick and twisted way obviously, he still is serving and protecting our country from criminals, and as the first season will deal with, corrupt military figures, those who dishonor the uniform and the flag. Even one of the character arc in the series will actually be dealing with PTSD and returning veterans and the producers said they're treating it very seriously without glorifying military stereotypes. That's a big service to all veterans. Yes, the Punisher is a fictional character and yes he's killing people up to eleven in such extreme ways, but that's just the other aspect of the character where readers decide if he's crossing that line or not. As gung-ho as it may sound, my brother is in the army and he said that the whole mentality, once a soldier always a soldier is very true, especially with the Marine Corps. And today, he's an icon to the military as some units have actually adopted the Punisher symbol. I just think the creators really missed an opportunity to honor the Marine Corps on their birthday and Veterans on Veteran's Day weekend. I feel you brother. Peace. And thank you to all those who've have served.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 25, 2017 16:33:08 GMT
Captain America aided and abetted a double-murderer to escape from the authorities so he's no role model either. Also, Captain America basically spit on the U.S. Constitution and said he doesn't believe in trial by jury as guaranteed by the Constitution and he believes that he alone should be judge and jury. That kind of tyranny that Captain America favors is as anti-American as you can get. If Batman or Superman did that stuff, you wouldn't care. Batman or Superman wouldn't do that stuff. Only an arrogant, egotistic, narcissist tyrant like Steve Rogers who's willing to take a shortcut and take a super-PED to get an advantage over all the other soldiers who got into the Army by passing the physical through training and exercise would do stuff like aid and abet a double-murderer to escape form the authorities and make himself judge and jury, thereby spitting on the Constitution, which guarantees every defendant a trial by jury.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 25, 2017 16:36:18 GMT
Woah, woah, woah hold on, who said that Frank Castle is a role model? seahawksraawk00 thinks Frank Castle is a role model for the Marines. Not sure why you would call him a role model, not every comic bookcharacter needs to be a boy scout like Superman or Captain America. Actually, Captain America isn't a boy scout. Cap aided and abetted a double-murderer to escape from the authorities. I was in the Boy Scouts and they never taught us to break the law like that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 25, 2017 16:45:23 GMT
If Batman or Superman did that stuff, you wouldn't care. Batman or Superman wouldn't do that stuff. Sure they would, and you'd cheer them on. He won it fair and square. Unlike Batman, who inherited his wealth and Superman who has the Sun and alien genetics to thank for his powers. They told him Bucky wasn't going to get a trial, which means the government already violated his rights. And Batman and Superman violate the Constitution all the time with their activities. And it's no different than how Batman keeps protecting criminals like Catwoman and Red Hood. They willingly commit crimes (and in Red Hood's case, kills people), Bucky killed no one by his own will.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 25, 2017 16:54:31 GMT
He won it fair and square. Steve Rogers got his powers from taking a super-PED so while all the other soldiers went through hard physical training and exercise to pass the physical to get into the Army, Steve Rogers took a shortcut, plain and simple. Bucky killed no one by his own will. Yes, he did. Bucky murdered the Starks. If Bucky claims that he was brainwashed, then that's for a jury to decide. So Bucky can argue that defense in front of a jury. But Cap didn't believe in trial by jury and believed that he should be judge and jury so Cap basically spit on the Constitution and decided he would be a tyrant.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 25, 2017 17:00:51 GMT
He won it fair and square. Steve Rogers got his powers from taking a super-PED He was in the same competition for the treatment as all of them and won fair and square. Better than how Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman took the easy way out. When brainwashed. They weren't going to give him a trial, they said so. They violated his rights. Condemning a man without a trial. Batman is worse because he protects unrepentant criminals who aren't brainwashed.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 25, 2017 17:01:13 GMT
He won it fair and square. Steve Rogers got his powers from taking a super-PED so while all the other soldiers went through hard physical training and exercise to pass the physical to get into the Army, Steve Rogers took a shortcut, plain and simple. Bucky killed no one by his own will. Yes, he did. Bucky murdered the Starks. If Bucky claims that he was brainwashed, then that's for a jury to decide. So Bucky can argue that defense in front of a jury. But Cap didn't believe in trial by jury and believed that he should be judge and jury so Cap basically spit on the Constitution and decided he would be a tyrant. That's because Steve Rogers was a short and physically inept man before he became Captain America. Of course you will find something to complain about his origin. Fuck the comics, am I right. Bucky was brainwashed. Hydra had control of his mind. Did you even see The Winter Soldier and Civil War?
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 25, 2017 17:09:09 GMT
That's because Steve Rogers was a short and physically inept man before he became Captain America. So being short and physically inept and skinny and too lazy to exercise and train means you can take a shortcut to get an advantage? Bucky was brainwashed. Hydra had control of his mind. And Bucky can argue that defense in front of a jury. It's for a jury to decide if Bucky committed the murders of his own intent or if Bucky was under the influence of someone else. But Cap didn't believe in trial by jury and believed that he should be the sole judge and jury. So Cap basically spit on the Constitution and decided to be a tyrant.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 25, 2017 17:14:03 GMT
That's because Steve Rogers was a short and physically inept man before he became Captain America. So being short and physically inept and skinny and too lazy to exercise and train means you can take a shortcut to get an advantage? Then he wouldn't be Captain America. End of story. Are you seriously complaining about his origin? You should be asking Stan Lee this question.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 25, 2017 17:14:53 GMT
That's because Steve Rogers was a short and physically inept man before he became Captain America. So being short and physically inept and skinny and too lazy to exercise and train means you can take a shortcut to get an advantage? If you win it fair and square. Better than inheriting money like Batman did or just being born with it like WW and Superman. No one was interested in giving him a trial. This was clearly stated in the film.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 25, 2017 17:15:33 GMT
So being short and physically inept and skinny and too lazy to exercise and train means you can take a shortcut to get an advantage? Then he wouldn't be Captain America. End of story. Are you seriously complaining about his origin? You should be asking Stan Lee this question. Steve earned the treatment via the testing...he did more to earn it than Superman did with HIS powers....or Wonder Woman.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 25, 2017 17:24:14 GMT
It's not so much being a role model or anything like that, it's just acknowledging that yeah, he's a Marine, and once a Marine, always one, and to honor that, it'd be a great idea to release it on the Marine Corps birthday. But also, a big part of the Punisher is the plight of returning service men and women, which they actually took very seriously when they developed the show. And Veteran Day is the next day as well, and it'd be honoring all veterans because believe it or not, the Punisher character is held in high regard within military units today, especially Marine Corps units. Chris Kyle's unit was one of the first to adopt the Punisher logo. So yeah, releasing it on the Marine Corps birthday and Veterans Day would be a huge thank you towards every service men and women and their families for this service. He no longer honors the code of being a Marine which is to serve and protect this great country of ours. And if they accept him just because he was once a Marine then I don't think that says much about them. In fact it says that they accept violence and killing over honor and righteousness.
If the Marines honor the Punisher, then the Secretary of Defense needs to re-evaluate their recruitment procedures and their psychological testing of potential recruits because Marines honoring a psychopath like the Punisher would be really scary. It would be like if the Army honored Timothy McVeigh just because he was a former soldier.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 25, 2017 17:30:17 GMT
Woah, woah, woah hold on, who said that Frank Castle is a role model? seahawksraawk00 thinks Frank Castle is a role model for the Marines. Not sure why you would call him a role model, not every comic bookcharacter needs to be a boy scout like Superman or Captain America. Actually, Captain America isn't a boy scout. Cap aided and abetted a double-murderer to escape from the authorities. I was in the Boy Scouts and they never taught us to break the law like that. He was a big boy scout in the comics. As for Bucky, he's a victim of brainwashing.
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