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Post by charzhino on Oct 21, 2017 22:39:37 GMT
It does if you're an adult who appreciates quality film making. Spider-Man 3 was more dark than Homecoming, you must think SM3 is better than Homecoming. No one said a film being dark makes it automatically better. If SP3 had a better script it would have been better than Homecoming.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 22:43:28 GMT
Except Spider-Man 2 isn't more mature. Spiderman 2 deals with a Peter Parker who is in his late teens/early 20s. Hes got job, love, parental, college, career and dual identity problems. Thats by definition more mature than Tom Holland's whose only worry is getting a call back from Happy Hogan and getting a homecoming date. No comparison. One is very light hearted in nature, the other is more serious. While I agree Spider Man 2 is better I think it might also have to do with the fact that Peter is in college in that movie whereas in Homecoming he's in highschool. So age wise Spidey 2 has the advantage so that's a bit of an unfair comparison. I think the theme of Homecoming was more about growing up, seeing the hero within yourself and responsibility was a little more implied rather than blatant. Granted Spider Man 2 had more mature themes because he was older in that movie. The first Raimi Spider Man movie would be a better comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 22:47:34 GMT
Well Back to the Future had humor and wasn't too dark and it's a classic. There are exceptions but generally the best movies in any given genre are always more "mature". Well I can't disagree on that as the best MCU movies are the most serious ones Winter Soldier, Iron Man, most of Civil War besides the airport scene and to an extent The Avengers. Many more examples like Empire Strikes Back, Rogue One, Revenge of the Sith, X2 and Logan.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 21, 2017 22:54:12 GMT
Except Spider-Man 2 isn't more mature. Spiderman 2 deals with a Peter Parker who is in his late teens/early 20s. Hes got job, love, parental, college, career and dual identity problems. Thats by definition more mature than Tom Holland's whose only worry is getting a call back from Happy Hogan and getting a homecoming date. No comparison. One is very light hearted in nature, the other is more serious. You forgot that Holland's Peter Parker also has dual identity problems, his commitment to his city in particular Queens, protecting the lives of his friends and family and anyone who is in harm's way, solve a mystery he doesn't feel the more bigger name heroes are acknowledging very well, and make the decision to become an avenger or continue to stay as everyone's friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 21, 2017 22:57:24 GMT
Dark and mature doesn't equal good, It does if you're an adult who appreciates quality film making. Not if the execution is sloppy.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 21, 2017 23:39:29 GMT
Except Spider-Man 2 isn't more mature. Spiderman 2 deals with a Peter Parker who is in his late teens/early 20s. Hes got job, love, parental, college, career and dual identity problems. Thats by definition more mature than Tom Holland's whose only worry is getting a call back from Happy Hogan and getting a homecoming date. No comparison. One is very light hearted in nature, the other is more serious. Agreed. Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2 had to deal with adult problems. Spider-Kid in SMH was only worried about getting a call back from Happy Hogan and getting a date with Liz for the Homecoming Dance. That's juvenile stuff in SMH compared to Spider-Man 2.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 22, 2017 0:37:48 GMT
The only good Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie was the second one, and Spider-Man: Homecoming was the worst Spider-Man movie and it was kiddie. The Amazing Spider-Man series was the best Spider-Man series, the first one is the best Spider-Man movie ever. It was more dark and more mature. The second one has problems, but I'll take it over any of the crappy MCU movies. In fact, it's very MCU-like; the humor, the action, except it's done better here, and most importantly, it had stakes. Spider-Man should've never joined the MCU. Sony should've continued the Amazing Spider-Man series. Nah, Spidey is back where he belongs.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 22, 2017 0:39:19 GMT
Spiderman 2 deals with a Peter Parker who is in his late teens/early 20s. Hes got job, love, parental, college, career and dual identity problems. Thats by definition more mature than Tom Holland's whose only worry is getting a call back from Happy Hogan and getting a homecoming date. No comparison. One is very light hearted in nature, the other is more serious. Agreed. Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2 had to deal with adult problems. Spider-Kid in SMH was only worried about getting a call back from Happy Hogan and getting a date with Liz for the Homecoming Dance. That's juvenile stuff in SMH compared to Spider-Man 2. No, his problems came from his incompetence and inability to give decent explanations for his absences. Peter in SMH deals with being part of a bigger world and his future, much heavier stuff than Raimi's sadsack.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 0:40:59 GMT
Agreed. Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2 had to deal with adult problems. Spider-Kid in SMH was only worried about getting a call back from Happy Hogan and getting a date with Liz for the Homecoming Dance. That's juvenile stuff in SMH compared to Spider-Man 2. No, his problems came from his incompetence and inability to give decent explanations for his absences. Peter in SMH deals with being part of a bigger world and his future, much heavier stuff than Raimi's sadsack. Yeah, really. Its frikkin' New York City. "I got caught in traffic," would be a pretty good catch-all excuse.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 22, 2017 1:21:08 GMT
Agreed. Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2 had to deal with adult problems. Spider-Kid in SMH was only worried about getting a call back from Happy Hogan and getting a date with Liz for the Homecoming Dance. That's juvenile stuff in SMH compared to Spider-Man 2. No, his problems came from his incompetence and inability to give decent explanations for his absences. Peter in SMH deals with being part of a bigger world and his future, much heavier stuff than Raimi's sadsack. Peter in SMH deals with:
"Is Happy going to call me back?"
"Should I ask Liz to the Homecoming Dance?"
Hardly heavy stuff. Like I said, that's juvenile stuff. Because that's what SMH is. SMH is a kids' comedy movie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 1:23:32 GMT
No, his problems came from his incompetence and inability to give decent explanations for his absences. Peter in SMH deals with being part of a bigger world and his future, much heavier stuff than Raimi's sadsack. Peter in SMH deals with:
"Is Happy going to call me back?"
"Should I ask Liz to the Homecoming Dance?"
Hardly heavy stuff. Like I said, that's juvenile stuff. Because that's what SMH is. SMH is a kids' comedy movie.
You forgot the part where arms dealers were selling military grade alien weapons capable of incinerating people and blowing up whole houses on the streets.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 22, 2017 1:25:56 GMT
No, his problems came from his incompetence and inability to give decent explanations for his absences. Peter in SMH deals with being part of a bigger world and his future, much heavier stuff than Raimi's sadsack. Yeah, really. Its frikkin' New York City. "I got caught in traffic," would be a pretty good catch-all excuse. Is that all?
Peter: Sorry, Mr. Jameson, I couldn't get those photos of the Mayor giving his speech in front of City Hall because I got caught in traffic. Jameson: Next time, leave earlier, idiot!
Peter: Sorry, Professor, I couldn't finish that report that's due today because I got caught in traffic. Professor: So what? You expect me to give you a passing grade because you got caught in traffic?
Peter: Sorry, Mr. Landlord, I can't pay my rent this month because I got caught in traffic. Landlord: So what? You expect me to let you live here for free because you got caught in traffic?
Nah, I don't think that excuse works.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 1:28:10 GMT
Yeah, really. Its frikkin' New York City. "I got caught in traffic," would be a pretty good catch-all excuse. Is that all?
Peter: Sorry, Mr. Jameson, I couldn't get those photos of the Mayor giving his speech in front of City Hall because I got caught in traffic. Jameson: Next time, leave earlier, idiot!
Peter: Sorry, Professor, I couldn't finish that report that's due today because I got caught in traffic. Professor: So what? You expect me to give you a passing grade because you got caught in traffic?
Peter: Sorry, Mr. Landlord, I can't pay my rent this month because I got caught in traffic. Landlord: So what? You expect me to let you live here for free because you got caught in traffic?
Nah, I don't think that excuse works.
So you obviously live in a small town where the traffic's pretty light. Good to know.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 22, 2017 1:31:37 GMT
Peter in SMH deals with:
"Is Happy going to call me back?"
"Should I ask Liz to the Homecoming Dance?"
Hardly heavy stuff. Like I said, that's juvenile stuff. Because that's what SMH is. SMH is a kids' comedy movie.
You forgot the part where arms dealers were selling military grade alien weapons capable of incinerating people and blowing up whole houses on the streets. Which the FBI was handling and didn't involve Peter at all. The FBI had undercover agents on the ferry to arrest Toomes, until Peter got in the way of a federal sting operation and obstructed federal agents from arresting Toomes.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 22, 2017 1:35:28 GMT
OK, I haven't seen The Amazing Spider-Man 2 or Spider-Man: Homecoming, so those are out of my ranking. But of the ones I have seen...
1. Spider-Man 2
2. Spider-Man
3. Spider-Man 3
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(way down below)
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4. The Amazing Spider-Man
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 1:36:35 GMT
You forgot the part where arms dealers were selling military grade alien weapons capable of incinerating people and blowing up whole houses on the streets. Which the FBI was handling and didn't involve Peter at all. The FBI had undercover agents on the ferry to arrest Toomes, until Peter got in the way of a federal sting operation and obstructed federal agents from arresting Toomes. Why was I expecting anything from you? How is that even remotely relevant? You said the only things Parker was dealing with was high school stuff, so I brought up the major issue of the film. Secondly, Maguire's Spider-Man would have done the exact same thing. Yes, it was a mistake for him to interfere, and Spider-Man making mistakes has always been a big part of the character. "didn't involve Peter at all." Most of the things superheroes get involved in don't involve them right from the get-go. They choose to get involved because they're superheroes.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 22, 2017 1:39:52 GMT
Spider-Man 2 Spider-Man Homecoming Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 The Amazing Spider-Man 2
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 22, 2017 2:12:47 GMT
No, his problems came from his incompetence and inability to give decent explanations for his absences. Peter in SMH deals with being part of a bigger world and his future, much heavier stuff than Raimi's sadsack. Peter in SMH deals with:
"Is Happy going to call me back?"
"Should I ask Liz to the Homecoming Dance?"
Hardly heavy stuff. Like I said, that's juvenile stuff. Because that's what SMH is. SMH is a kids' comedy movie.
He deals with "Am I going to get in trouble with the Government if I don't play ball with Tony and Happy?" "My activities put people in danger, should I even try to live a normal life or will that endanger people?" It's heavier than "Oh no, for some reason I can't think of a good lie for MJ even though I'm usually pretty good with them!"
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 22, 2017 2:14:14 GMT
Yeah, really. Its frikkin' New York City. "I got caught in traffic," would be a pretty good catch-all excuse. Is that all? Yes, it shows how incompetent Raimi's Spider-Man was he can't think of decent lies even though he's usually pretty good with them. Contrived incompetence.
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Post by Archelaus on Oct 23, 2017 22:21:47 GMT
Spider-Man 2
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