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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 22, 2017 16:33:33 GMT
Honestly, who cares when it started. We need to work on making the boards more viable for conversation NOW. A critical examination of the history of fanboy conflict isn't going to help that cause. Half of the posts here end in the same two or three people having the same back and forth arguments that are mostly personal in nature. As long as there are more than 1 major comic book companies (or split studios holding the rights in the case of Marvel) there will never be peace on any board. There will always be rivals. Hell, even if there was 1 major comic book company, then the rivalry will go down to superhero groups and characters. People will always want something to be better than the other. And that's fine but, when it deteriorates into personal attacks, baseless accusations and bullying there's no excuse. Rivalry or no, people can state their opinions while being civil if they're over the age of 15.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 22, 2017 16:45:36 GMT
As long as there are more than 1 major comic book companies (or split studios holding the rights in the case of Marvel) there will never be peace on any board. There will always be rivals. Hell, even if there was 1 major comic book company, then the rivalry will go down to superhero groups and characters. People will always want something to be better than the other. And that's fine but, when it deteriorates into personal attacks, baseless accusations and bullying there's no excuse. Rivalry or no, people can state their opinions while being civil if they're over the age of 15. That goes with it because some feel like you are attacking them personally for something they like. Look at the recent discussions between me and summer8. He or she went to the point of being paranoid from what I was saying. Even when I said which X-men movies I did like he or she still said I was lying and that I actually hated all the X-men movies.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 22, 2017 17:19:53 GMT
And that's fine but, when it deteriorates into personal attacks, baseless accusations and bullying there's no excuse. Rivalry or no, people can state their opinions while being civil if they're over the age of 15. That goes with it because some feel like you are attacking them personally for something they like. Look at the recent discussions between me and summer8. He or she went to the point of being paranoid from what I was saying. Even when I said which X-men movies I did like he or she still said I was lying and that I actually hated all the X-men movies. When dealing with that level of insecurity, I usually just back away slowly and nod politely. Hee hee hee...
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 22, 2017 17:21:43 GMT
The answer to making these boards peaceful is simple: 1. Ban DennisReynolds 2. Ban Tristan Kool-Aide 3. Ban DC-Fan 4. Ban poelzig 5. Ban primemover if the weirdraptor would be banned for a month or so these forums will be considerably more peaceful and intelligent. Agreed. Banning weirdraptor would definitely make these forums more peaceful and intelligent.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 22, 2017 17:25:44 GMT
he did not refer to you, but to another user with that name. The raptor has so many enemies it makes your head explode. You are just one in a long list at the bottom. There’s another user with the name Prime? I didn’t know. Either way, I just wanted to tell him that because the other day I was wrong for calling raptor a kid. The fact that he has so many enemies should tell these mods that HE is the one to be looked at, not just us. They need to check HIM first. Raptor starts things then pleads to the mods as if he never does anything wrong. Agreed. When 1 person has a feud with so many other people, then the problem isn't the other people. The problem is that 1 person.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 22, 2017 17:34:47 GMT
Come on guys/gals! Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Can I say something. Marvel and DC have been at 'war' for more than 50+ years but it used to be a friendly war and fans respected each other, I knew many DC fans that like spiderman and xmen and I knew many Marvel fans that loved Batman. All that changed when MCU fans were born and this was around 2010, they turned what used to be a friendly rivalry with good discussions into an almost deranged toxic war it is clear to me that many MCU fans are not actual marvel fans who have been around since the 60s. if you were to see their behaviour their love for marvel is exclusive only to MCU, most of them have never held a comic before in their lives.. they just love what they see in MCU movies.it really is sad that we ask the question why we cant all be friends thinking of the bizarre day that was yesterday when you have stupid mcu fans insisting and desperately lieing DOFP is nothing more but a rip off of T2 forgetting actual facts that DOFP is much older than the movie or just basic XMen stories, and magneto is a dr doom knock off even though stan lee created both characters to be polar opposites of one another. they say this garbage just because this characters and movies don't fall under MCU properties, No real Marvel fan since the 60s behaves that way, its hard to even continue a real conversation that can turn to friendship. DC fans are not as bad as MCU fans for the reasons that DC fans don't make shit up and just lie so easily. X-Men fans just want to be left alone instead of dealing with MCU fans brain-dead plan to make X-Men a part of the MCU when we have told them, MCU cannot make X-Men movies. what more proof do you want after Deadpool, Logan and DOFP or as far back as X2. Many MCU fans are just classless, toxic and borderline delusional with no respect of themselves. What we need to do is separate marvel fans from MCU fans. they are not the same.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 22, 2017 17:42:54 GMT
Honestly, who cares when it started. We need to work on making the boards more viable for conversation NOW. A critical examination of the history of fanboy conflict isn't going to help that cause. Half of the posts here end in the same two or three people having the same back and forth arguments that are mostly personal in nature. As long as there are more than 1 major comic book companies (or split studios holding the rights in the case of Marvel) there will never be peace on any board. There will always be rivals. Hell, even if there was 1 major comic book company, then the rivalry will go down to superhero groups and characters. People will always want something to be better than the other. It's a lot like the WWE vs WCW war in the 1990s. WWE was the company that had been around longer and had the tradition. WWE had the biggest stars (e.g. Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Macho Man Randy Savage, etc.) WCW was the upstart company that came along and both companies had a cable show at the same time slot on Monday nights (WWE had Monday Night Raw and WCW had WCW Monday Nitro). For awhile, WCW gained the upper hand. WCW reached a new level of popularity with the NWO. WCW was the 1st to have the company's "boss" (Eric Bishoff) become a heel and WWE would do the same thing with Vince McMahon becoming a heel after WCW did it.
But WCW's success was temporary. In the end, WWE bought out WCW and WCW became defunct.
The DC vs MCU war is similar. DC is like WWE, the older and more established company with the biggest stars (e.g. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman). MCU is the upstart that has come along and created their shared universe and DC would do the same thing with the DCEU.
And just as WCW's success was temporary, MCU's success will most likely be temporary too. In the end, the older and more-established WWE won the war against the upstart WCW and likewise the older and more-established DC will win the war against the upstart MCU.
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Post by scabab on Oct 22, 2017 17:44:39 GMT
Even the folks at Marvel and DC don't dislike each other. You've got people at each company who praise the other and have worked for the other.
People who have starred in Marvel movies have been in DC movies and vice versa.
What's the point in all in this fighting judt over which set of superheroes in tights or rubber outfits is better than the other? You have no stakes in this at all. That the two coexist only helps push the other to do better things.
Marvel fans mock the DC movies for being so dark. DC fans mock Marvel movies for being so light.
But it would be boring as hell if they weren't different. With how many superhero movies they make now it would get old extremely fast if the Marvel, DC and Fox superhero movies all shared the same tone.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 22, 2017 17:45:58 GMT
Come on guys/gals! Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Can I say something. Marvel and DC have been at 'war' for more than 50+ years but it used to be a friendly war and fans respected each other, I knew many DC fans that like spiderman and xmen and I knew many Marvel fans that loved Batman. All that changed when MCU fans were born and this was around 2010, they turned what used to be a friendly rivalry with good discussions into an almost deranged toxic war it is clear to me that many MCU fans are not actual marvel fans who have been around since the 60s. if you were to see their behaviour their love for marvel is exclusive only to MCU, most of them have never held a comic before in their lives.. they just love what they see in MCU movies.it really is sad that we ask the question why we cant all be friends thinking of the bizarre day that was yesterday when you have stupid mcu fans insisting and desperately lieing DOFP is nothing more but a rip off of T2 forgetting actual facts that DOFP is much older than the movie or just basic XMen stories, and magneto is a dr doom knock off even though stan lee created both characters to be polar opposites of one another. they say this garbage just because this characters and movies don't fall under MCU properties, No real Marvel fan since the 60s behaves that way, its hard to even continue a real conversation that can turn to friendship. DC fans are not as bad as MCU fans for the reasons that DC fans don't make shit up and just lie so easily. X-Men fans just want to be left alone instead of dealing with MCU fans brain-dead plan to make X-Men a part of the MCU when we have told them, MCU cannot make X-Men movies. what more proof do you want after Deadpool, Logan and DOFP or as far back as X2. Many MCU fans are just classless, toxic and borderline delusional with no respect of themselves. What we need to do is separate marvel fans from MCU fans. they are not the same. Well said!
I've said this before. It's not really a Marvel vs DC war or an MCU vs DCEU war. It's really an MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony war. Most MCU fans just hate anything that isn't MCU, whether it's DC or the X-Men movies or Sony's Spider-Man movies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 18:00:06 GMT
There’s another user with the name Prime? I didn’t know. Either way, I just wanted to tell him that because the other day I was wrong for calling raptor a kid. The fact that he has so many enemies should tell these mods that HE is the one to be looked at, not just us. They need to check HIM first. Raptor starts things then pleads to the mods as if he never does anything wrong. Agreed. When 1 person has a feud with so many other people, then the problem isn't the other people. The problem is that 1 person. Not really. Winston Churchill had feuds with quite a few people, including Nazis. The problem wasn't the one person, but the others.
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Post by dazz on Oct 22, 2017 18:11:06 GMT
As long as there are more than 1 major comic book companies (or split studios holding the rights in the case of Marvel) there will never be peace on any board. There will always be rivals. Hell, even if there was 1 major comic book company, then the rivalry will go down to superhero groups and characters. People will always want something to be better than the other. It's a lot like the WWE vs WCW war in the 1990s. WWE was the company that had been around longer and had the tradition. WWE had the biggest stars (e.g. Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Macho Man Randy Savage, etc.) WCW was the upstart company that came along and both companies had a cable show at the same time slot on Monday nights (WWE had Monday Night Raw and WCW had WCW Monday Nitro). For awhile, WCW gained the upper hand. WCW reached a new level of popularity with the NWO. WCW was the 1st to have the company's "boss" (Eric Bishoff) become a heel and WWE would do the same thing with Vince McMahon becoming a heel after WCW did it.
But WCW's success was temporary. In the end, WWE bought out WCW and WCW became defunct.
The DC vs MCU war is similar. DC is like WWE, the older and more established company with the biggest stars (e.g. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman). MCU is the upstart that has come along and created their shared universe and DC would do the same thing with the DCEU.
And just as WCW's success was temporary, MCU's success will most likely be temporary too. In the end, the older and more-established WWE won the war against the upstart WCW and likewise the older and more-established DC will win the war against the upstart MCU.
Dude you got ur history all wrong, fix that shit.
Also WCW's success in the 90's was due to hiring all the names from WWF adding them to the WCW names and having a "war", the failure of the company was due to outright bad management which led it to always being in a position where to even turn a profit required them to do consistent sell outs 200+ shows a year.
DC & Marvel are in now way comparable to the Monday night wars, the balance will shift it always will DC dominated the landscape of CBM's for the first 25 years because there was little to no competition, then Fox came in and made it competitive, Spidey then jumped in and dominated for most of the 2000's, DC regained control briefly to end the 00's & start the 2010's on top, meanwhile Marvel came in strong and competed for the first 5 years for silver, but in 2012 Marvel too the lead where it has remained for the last 5 years, and that's the thing it's a marathon not a sprint each brand will lead the pack for a while then fall back a bit then move up again and so on.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 22, 2017 18:12:55 GMT
As long as there are more than 1 major comic book companies (or split studios holding the rights in the case of Marvel) there will never be peace on any board. There will always be rivals. Hell, even if there was 1 major comic book company, then the rivalry will go down to superhero groups and characters. People will always want something to be better than the other. It's a lot like the WWE vs WCW war in the 1990s. WWE was the company that had been around longer and had the tradition. WWE had the biggest stars (e.g. Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Macho Man Randy Savage, etc.) WCW was the upstart company that came along and both companies had a cable show at the same time slot on Monday nights (WWE had Monday Night Raw and WCW had WCW Monday Nitro). For awhile, WCW gained the upper hand. WCW reached a new level of popularity with the NWO. WCW was the 1st to have the company's "boss" (Eric Bishoff) become a heel and WWE would do the same thing with Vince McMahon becoming a heel after WCW did it.
But WCW's success was temporary. In the end, WWE bought out WCW and WCW became defunct.
The DC vs MCU war is similar. DC is like WWE, the older and more established company with the biggest stars (e.g. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman). MCU is the upstart that has come along and created their shared universe and DC would do the same thing with the DCEU.
And just as WCW's success was temporary, MCU's success will most likely be temporary too. In the end, the older and more-established WWE won the war against the upstart WCW and likewise the older and more-established DC will win the war against the upstart MCU.
But it still comes down to one person not liking what you say about what they like. Then placing you in a "not with us, so against us" box.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 22, 2017 18:15:26 GMT
I miss Akbar
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Post by dazz on Oct 22, 2017 18:20:26 GMT
Agreed. When 1 person has a feud with so many other people, then the problem isn't the other people. The problem is that 1 person. Not really. Winston Churchill had feuds with quite a few people, including Nazis. The problem wasn't the one person, but the others. And you criticised me for using Nazi's...you bloody hypocrite , also not quite the same thing, Chruchill had fueds with several other leaders but had alliances with many more, this helps put the fueds with the Nazi's into context, but if no one stood by him up and he just picked fights with a bunch of other countries then he wouldn't be considered a great world leader but someone nutter like a Kim Yung what's his face.
You cant just pick fights is what I'm saying you need to be seen able to get along with people to show you are not just as big a trouble maker as the others, as of now it may seem you are the bad guy as they are all aligned against you but only you are really pointing them out as a bunch of plonkers.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 22, 2017 18:21:45 GMT
Can I say something. Marvel and DC have been at 'war' for more than 50+ years but it used to be a friendly war and fans respected each other, I knew many DC fans that like spiderman and xmen and I knew many Marvel fans that loved Batman. All that changed when MCU fans were born and this was around 2010, they turned what used to be a friendly rivalry with good discussions into an almost deranged toxic war it is clear to me that many MCU fans are not actual marvel fans who have been around since the 60s. if you were to see their behaviour their love for marvel is exclusive only to MCU, most of them have never held a comic before in their lives.. they just love what they see in MCU movies.it really is sad that we ask the question why we cant all be friends thinking of the bizarre day that was yesterday when you have stupid mcu fans insisting and desperately lieing DOFP is nothing more but a rip off of T2 forgetting actual facts that DOFP is much older than the movie or just basic XMen stories, and magneto is a dr doom knock off even though stan lee created both characters to be polar opposites of one another. they say this garbage just because this characters and movies don't fall under MCU properties, No real Marvel fan since the 60s behaves that way, its hard to even continue a real conversation that can turn to friendship. DC fans are not as bad as MCU fans for the reasons that DC fans don't make shit up and just lie so easily. X-Men fans just want to be left alone instead of dealing with MCU fans brain-dead plan to make X-Men a part of the MCU when we have told them, MCU cannot make X-Men movies. what more proof do you want after Deadpool, Logan and DOFP or as far back as X2. Many MCU fans are just classless, toxic and borderline delusional with no respect of themselves. What we need to do is separate marvel fans from MCU fans. they are not the same. Well said!
I've said this before. It's not really a Marvel vs DC war or an MCU vs DCEU war. It's really an MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony war. Most MCU fans just hate anything that isn't MCU, whether it's DC or the X-Men movies or the Fox Spider-Man movies.
Well said too. guys let's all think about it from the beginning. Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Superman 1 and Superman 2. I don't care if you like marvel or dc, this movies started it all and paved the way until one small event in 1997 almost killed the genre (batman and robin) do you remember at the dawn of the new millennium when we all loved the first xmen movie in 2000, after how poorly Batman and Robin went and everyone saying the genre was dead and will never recover? it did not matter if you liked marvel or dc, we comic fans were just glad, the genre gained back its credibility. then we had Spiderman, X2, Spiderman 2, Batman Begins, TDK, Road to Perdition, Sin City. it did not matter if you liked Marvel or DC or Independent comics, as long as you were a comic fan, we appreciated good comic films. All that changed with the marvel cinematic universe and some of their retarded fans that started going out of their way to de-legitimise and try and take down any comic movie or property not part of their ''cinematic universe.'' As I said yesterday, I am bored of the mcu babies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 18:23:23 GMT
Not really. Winston Churchill had feuds with quite a few people, including Nazis. The problem wasn't the one person, but the others. And you criticised me for using Nazi's...you bloody hypocrite , also not quite the same thing, Chruchill had fueds with several other leaders but had alliances with many more, this helps put the fueds with the Nazi's into context, but if no one stood by him up and he just picked fights with a bunch of other countries then he wouldn't be considered a great world leader but someone nutter like a Kim Yung what's his face.
You cant just pick fights is what I'm saying you need to be seen able to get along with people to show you are not just as big a trouble maker as the others, as of now it may seem you are the bad guy as they are all aligned against you but only you are really pointing them out as a bunch of plonkers.
I do do this. I'm no the villain here and everyone knows it. No one with any credibility to their name was pointed the finger at me. The posting histories of DennisReynolds, poelzig, DC-Fan, and Tristan Kool-Aide are proof enough that they're the troublemakers. You know I'm right, and hell, even they know I'm right.
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Post by scabab on Oct 22, 2017 18:33:23 GMT
Well said!
I've said this before. It's not really a Marvel vs DC war or an MCU vs DCEU war. It's really an MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony war. Most MCU fans just hate anything that isn't MCU, whether it's DC or the X-Men movies or the Fox Spider-Man movies.
Well said too. guys let's all think about it from the beginning. Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Superman 1 and Superman 2. I don't care if you like marvel or dc, this movies started it all and paved the way until one small event in 1997 almost killed the genre (batman and robin) do you remember at the dawn of the new millennium when we all loved the first xmen movie in 2000, after how poorly Batman and Robin went and everyone saying the genre was dead and will never recover? it did not matter if you liked marvel or dc, we comic fans were just glad, the genre gained back its credibility. then we had Spiderman, X2, Spiderman 2, Batman Begins, TDK, Road to Prediction, Sin City. it did not matter if you liked Marvel or DC or Independent comics, as long as you were a comic fan, we appreciated good comic films. All that changed with the marvel cinematic universe and some of their retarded fans that started going out of their way to de-legitimise and try and take down any comic movie or property not part of their ''cinematic universe.'' As I said yesterday, I am bored of the mcu babies. You do know you are talking about a very small group of internet fans right? The same as you'd get for DC as well? The majority of fans don't really care all that much. They will be fans of the MCU movies and will still gladly go see and see Logan, Deadpool, Wonder Woman and Justice League. What you're saying applies to many fan based things. PlayStation vs Xbox, Harry Potter vs Twilight, Star Wars Vs Star Trek, Naruto vs One Piece, Call of Duty vs Battlefield, FIFA vs PES etc This isn't an exclusive MCU problem. There's always hardcore fans who rabidly defend their property.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 22, 2017 18:38:53 GMT
Well said!
I've said this before. It's not really a Marvel vs DC war or an MCU vs DCEU war. It's really an MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony war. Most MCU fans just hate anything that isn't MCU, whether it's DC or the X-Men movies or the Fox Spider-Man movies.
Well said too. guys let's all think about it from the beginning. Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Superman 1 and Superman 2. I don't care if you like marvel or dc, this movies started it all and paved the way until one small event in 1997 almost killed the genre (batman and robin) do you remember at the dawn of the new millennium when we all loved the first xmen movie in 2000, after how poorly Batman and Robin went and everyone saying the genre was dead and will never recover? it did not matter if you liked marvel or dc, we comic fans were just glad, the genre gained back its credibility. then we had Spiderman, X2, Spiderman 2, Batman Begins, TDK, Road to Perdition, Sin City. it did not matter if you liked Marvel or DC or Independent comics, as long as you were a comic fan, we appreciated good comic films. All that changed with the marvel cinematic universe and some of their retarded fans that started going out of their way to de-legitimise and try and take down any comic movie or property not part of their ''cinematic universe.'' As I said yesterday, I am bored of the mcu babies. There is an element/contingent of "new money" fans within the MCU ranks who seems to harbor an inferiority complex and therefore overcompensate with dogmatic and dichotomous responses, like formersamhmd. But I know plenty of people "IRL" who like CBMs based on merit rather than some "allegiance." Like: most people I talk to about this stuff told me good things about Deadpool, Doctor Strange, and Wonder Woman and bad to middling things about X-Men: Apocalypse, Thor 2, and Suicide Squad. So...
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Post by dazz on Oct 22, 2017 18:38:53 GMT
And you criticised me for using Nazi's...you bloody hypocrite , also not quite the same thing, Chruchill had fueds with several other leaders but had alliances with many more, this helps put the fueds with the Nazi's into context, but if no one stood by him up and he just picked fights with a bunch of other countries then he wouldn't be considered a great world leader but someone nutter like a Kim Yung what's his face.
You cant just pick fights is what I'm saying you need to be seen able to get along with people to show you are not just as big a trouble maker as the others, as of now it may seem you are the bad guy as they are all aligned against you but only you are really pointing them out as a bunch of plonkers.
I do do this. I'm no the villain here and everyone knows it. No one with any credibility to their name was pointed the finger at me. The posting histories of DennisReynolds, poelzig, DC-Fan, and Tristan Kool-Aide are proof enough that they're the troublemakers. You know I'm right, and hell, even they know I'm right. Well I cant speak on all of them, Dennis does seem to enjoy riling people up, poelzig just seems to be more an issue with you, Tristan I don't see much of an issue with, and DC-Fan can be irritating but harmless and is more an unaware punching bag than troublemaker, the whole marvel soldiers thing not included.
But you admit to being a dick as well, you can be rude and very arrogant, you sometimes do not listen to other people if the disagree with you, you disregard opposing opinions at times and make generalisations and assumptions simply because other people do not agree with you, you're less crude or obvious than some but you can be just as big an instigator as others, you openly have goaded some of those guys into openly shit talking you, which makes you as much a cause for the break down from constructive conversations into mindless pissing contest as any of the others.
This isn't to demonise you or anything but to point out if you want things to get better around here you also need to be better, openly calling for the ban on people you dislike as already stated only creates more conflict which means you are making things worse in do so, also if you feel like these ppl are just trolls then remember do not feed the trolls, they want to get your goat so ignore them and their shenanigans will be for naught.
Edit: also you said do do, hehehe...im such a child.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 18:44:47 GMT
I do do this. I'm no the villain here and everyone knows it. No one with any credibility to their name was pointed the finger at me. The posting histories of DennisReynolds, poelzig, DC-Fan, and Tristan Kool-Aide are proof enough that they're the troublemakers. You know I'm right, and hell, even they know I'm right. Well I cant speak on all of them, Dennis does seem to enjoy riling people up, poelzig just seems to be more an issue with you, Tristan I don't see much of an issue with, and DC-Fan can be irritating but harmless and is more an unaware punching bag than troublemaker, the whole marvel soldiers thing not included.
But you admit to being a dick as well, you can be rude and very arrogant, you sometimes do not listen to other people if the disagree with you, you disregard opposing opinions at times and make generalisations and assumptions simply because other people do not agree with you, you're less crude or obvious than some but you can be just as big an instigator as others, you openly have goaded some of those guys into openly shit talking you, which makes you as much a cause for the break down from constructive conversations into mindless pissing contest as any of the others.
This isn't to demonise you or anything but to point out if you want things to get better around here you also need to be better, openly calling for the ban on people you dislike as already stated only creates more conflict which means you are making things worse in do so, also if you feel like these ppl are just trolls then remember do not feed the trolls, they want to get your goat so ignore them and their shenanigans will be for naught.
Edit: also you said do do, hehehe...im such a child.
I am not the cause of this. I tried to level with these guys when this site first started, and they wouldn't be reasoned with. I only ever asked one thing of Dennis: don't insult the fans, and you've seen what kind of response that gets from him, as seen by his fits in response to Scabab asking the same thin of him. poelzig was actively insulted everyone in the MCU fandom as well and always falls back on the racism card. Then when someone counters, explaining how they're not a racist, he'll get dismissive and make comments like "I thought you said you were color blind lol". Tristan is a huge troll, too. As for my character flaws: a decade of being belittled and insulted over something as trivial as my taste in film can do that. I'm not the villain here.
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