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Post by charzhino on Oct 23, 2017 8:22:46 GMT
This. MCU fans will not rest until every comic property (even DC films at one point) is under Feiges dictatorship monopoly. You never hear Fox-Men or Sony fans demanding other marvel characters owned by the MCU to become their property. Its a pathetic obsession. Actually, every attack on the MCU is paramount to "Fox/Sony would do so much better with these characters".You've just assumed that. Never have I seen anyone say "Fox/Sony would do so much better with Captain America/Iron Man,etc". Yet the MCU mob run riot with the "bring the Xmen/F4 back to Marvel!!11". Theres a new thread opened every couple of weeks on this site campaigning for it. But not only on here, its plastered everywhere around the internet on other forum sites, youtube comments, twitter, facebook. All we want is the X-Men to be left alone at their rightful studio. Summers8 is right, everything was harmonious before the first Avengers film in 2012. Fans of all studios enjoyed others take on Spiderman, Batman, Xmen and the MCU phase 1 films. But after phase 2 started, the MCU fans became delirious and poisonous trying to trash every non-MCU film in sight (and you're the pinnacle of that example) and launching smear campaigns to no end. So it was them who threw the first punch.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 23, 2017 8:35:34 GMT
Also, I've NEVER seen Tristan in ANY of the MCU-related boards when IMDb still had message boards. I said mean things about the Star Wars prequels and he's had a sick obsession with me ever since. That's why he trolls these boards and stalks me. your alleged prequel bashing would be the very least of your offences - at least as far as I can remember it. You are perfectly welcome to do so. I would be rather irritated if a character like you took a liking to a dystopian downfall-of-society parable. It would just not fit.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 23, 2017 10:36:26 GMT
Actually, every attack on the MCU is paramount to "Fox/Sony would do so much better with these characters".You've just assumed that. Never have I seen anyone say "Fox/Sony would do so much better with Captain America/Iron Man,etc". Yet the MCU mob run riot with the "bring the Xmen/F4 back to Marvel!!11". Theres a new thread opened every couple of weeks on this site campaigning for it. But not only on here, its plastered everywhere around the internet on other forum sites, youtube comments, twitter, facebook. All we want is the X-Men to be left alone at their rightful studio. Summers8 is right, everything was harmonious before the first Avengers film in 2012. Fans of all studios enjoyed others take on Spiderman, Batman, Xmen and the MCU phase 1 films. But after phase 2 started, the MCU fans became delirious and poisonous trying to trash every non-MCU film in sight (and you're the pinnacle of that example) and launching smear campaigns to no end. So it was them who threw the first punch. Yep, I liked the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies and some of the X-Men movies. And there was hardly any Marvel vs DC war, until MCU came along and MCU fans started trashing and smearing every non-MCU film. That was definitely when the MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony war began.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 23, 2017 10:43:43 GMT
Or am I asking for too much? Apparently, and unfortunately. Not surprised. You would think we could at least talk it out, rather than fight like savages.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 23, 2017 11:02:55 GMT
You've just assumed that. Never have I seen anyone say "Fox/Sony would do so much better with Captain America/Iron Man,etc". Yet the MCU mob run riot with the "bring the Xmen/F4 back to Marvel!!11". Theres a new thread opened every couple of weeks on this site campaigning for it. But not only on here, its plastered everywhere around the internet on other forum sites, youtube comments, twitter, facebook. All we want is the X-Men to be left alone at their rightful studio. Summers8 is right, everything was harmonious before the first Avengers film in 2012. Fans of all studios enjoyed others take on Spiderman, Batman, Xmen and the MCU phase 1 films. But after phase 2 started, the MCU fans became delirious and poisonous trying to trash every non-MCU film in sight (and you're the pinnacle of that example) and launching smear campaigns to no end. So it was them who threw the first punch. Yep, I liked the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies and some of the X-Men movies. And there was hardly any Marvel vs DC war, until MCU came along and MCU fans started trashing and smearing every non-MCU film. That was definitely when the MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony war began. what can be positively said is that many MCU fans live an unusually aggressive and belligerent fandom.
(i) Firstly, this is evidenced in the quasi-fanatical follow ship and hyperbole reverence hardly allowing for any critical analysis. "MCU is the greatest cinematic achievement of all times" - this in view of yet another formulaic blockbuster series of superhero films.
(ii) But more importantly - and this is a pretty seldom phenomenon - we see MCU fans systematically swarm out to other franchises in an effort to belittle, defame and defeat them, and this is not limited to the fanatics. Think about DC or DCEU? Think again! I am talking about the successful X-Men franchise, The Spiderman or other CBM franchises.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 23, 2017 11:37:57 GMT
Actually, every attack on the MCU is paramount to "Fox/Sony would do so much better with these characters".You've just assumed that. Never have I seen anyone say "Fox/Sony would do so much better with Captain America/Iron Man,etc". I did, on the X-Men forums on the old imdb. Considering how MCU turned the Guardians into A-Listers and how FOX keeps screwing up the FF, you can't blame them for thinking the MCU would do better. And they'd throw the X-Men into a new context where they'd have to interact with aliens and magic and stuff and we'd see how mutants would live in a world where they weren't the center of the Universe. FOX needed someone from outside the "rightful studio" to innovate for them. MCU innovates well enough on its own. Before then, people didn't realize that maybe the way FOX and Sony did things wasn't the only way. Nope, that was payback for the years of attacks Sony and Fox fans had been throwing at the MCU. Once the MCU proved its' newer ways worked, they figured they might as well give them a taste of their own medicine.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 23, 2017 14:27:30 GMT
Come on guys/gals! Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Because the DC and Star Wars prequels "fans" here are nothing more than trolls and the Admin allows them to get away with it. This isn't the normal "my franchise is better than your franchise because…" argument. They start of fake arguments for kicks. They have no interest in conversation
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 23, 2017 14:50:15 GMT
Come on guys/gals! Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Because the DC and Star Wars prequels "fans" here are nothing more than trolls and the Admin allows them to get away with it. This isn't the normal "my franchise is better than your franchise because…" argument. They start of fake arguments for kicks. They have no interest in conversationNone whatsoever and you'd have to be the Mr. Magoo of the Admin world not to see that. When do any of these guys ever even start threads, bring news to the site or make any other kind of contribution other than embarrassingly, ham-fisted prose about their inherent superiority at debating? They do that more than they actually debate anything. Hee hee hee...
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 23, 2017 14:59:45 GMT
Because the DC and Star Wars prequels "fans" here are nothing more than trolls and the Admin allows them to get away with it. This isn't the normal "my franchise is better than your franchise because…" argument. They start of fake arguments for kicks. They have no interest in conversationNone whatsoever and you'd have to be the Mr. Magoo of the Admin world not to see that. When do any of these guys ever even start threads, bring news to the site or make any other kind of contribution other than embarrassingly, ham-fisted prose about their inherent superiority at debating? They do that more than they actually debate anything. Hee hee hee... This made me chuckle. I have definitely been shopping around for other boards. Three of the most popular franchises in the world and the ports here for them suck.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 23, 2017 15:37:20 GMT
Also, I've NEVER seen Tristan in ANY of the MCU-related boards when IMDb still had message boards. Also, you continue you propensity for pointless observations that have nothing to do with anything. Let's demonstrate this, shall we? I said: and I then further said: So, what has me not being involved in MCU matters on IMDb to do with anything...? Thus, per usual it's a non sequitur. You see, as predicted, your years of IMDb ratings-trolling/pissing did not bear well for your debating skills. Surely, you can do better than that? I'm just pointing out the obvious. It's not that complicated.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 23, 2017 15:44:22 GMT
Also, you continue you propensity for pointless observations that have nothing to do with anything. Let's demonstrate this, shall we? I said: and I then further said: So, what has me not being involved in MCU matters on IMDb to do with anything...? Thus, per usual it's a non sequitur. You see, as predicted, your years of IMDb ratings-trolling/pissing did not bear well for your debating skills. Surely, you can do better than that? I'm just pointing out the obvious. It's not that complicated. So did I, consider yourself blockbusted.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 23, 2017 15:47:49 GMT
I'm just pointing out the obvious. It's not that complicated. So did I, consider yourself blockbusted. No, you weren't. You obviously thought I was changing the topic because I had no argument.
Guess what, I could have gone with an argument, but I simply didn't bother.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 23, 2017 15:49:14 GMT
So did I, consider yourself blockbusted. No, you weren't. You obviously thought I was changing the topic because I had no argument.
Guess what, I could have gone with an argument, but I simply didn't bother.
And the blockbusted becomes the blockbuster! Hee hee hee...
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 23, 2017 16:02:02 GMT
So did I, consider yourself blockbusted. No, you weren't. You obviously thought I was changing the topic because I had no argument.
Guess what, I could have gone with an argument, but I simply didn't bother.
That's fine, I remember you never bothered much with argument anyway. I like you as you are.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 23, 2017 16:49:58 GMT
No, you weren't. You obviously thought I was changing the topic because I had no argument.
Guess what, I could have gone with an argument, but I simply didn't bother.
That's fine, I remember you never bothered much with argument anyway. I like you as you are. Well... what’s the point of arguing with you anyway?
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 23, 2017 17:53:12 GMT
Actually, every attack on the MCU is paramount to "Fox/Sony would do so much better with these characters".You've just assumed that. Never have I seen anyone say "Fox/Sony would do so much better with Captain America/Iron Man,etc". Yet the MCU mob run riot with the "bring the Xmen/F4 back to Marvel!!11". Theres a new thread opened every couple of weeks on this site campaigning for it. But not only on here, its plastered everywhere around the internet on other forum sites, youtube comments, twitter, facebook. All we want is the X-Men to be left alone at their rightful studio. Summers8 is right, everything was harmonious before the first Avengers film in 2012. Fans of all studios enjoyed others take on Spiderman, Batman, Xmen and the MCU phase 1 films. But after phase 2 started, the MCU fans became delirious and poisonous trying to trash every non-MCU film in sight (and you're the pinnacle of that example) and launching smear campaigns to no end. So it was them who threw the first punch. There is a reason for that. And it's not something that came out of nowhere just because Marvel created the MCU. Just think back and try to remember anyone complaining when Sony did Spider-Man 1 & 2 or when Fox did X-men 1 & 2. Everything was fine. A few quibbles about Cyclops being ignored. At the time we had no idea Fox was going to continue to ignore everyone except Wolverine. What happened after that point has everything to do with what is being said about those two studios. They earned it. They richly earned it. The idea that Fox is the "rightful studio" for X-men does not make any sense given that Marvel created the characters and thus understands them more than Fox can and that Fox has been a disaster with those characters. It's not in anyone's imagination what Fox did to Cyclops, Storm, Colossus, Rogue, Ice Man, Angel, Deadpool, Phoenix, etc. Even in X2 they somehow made Magneto into a petty spiteful man. ("I love what you've done with your hair") Now add in their epic fails on Silver Surfer, Galactus, and Dr Doom (twice). Fox's FF movies in general pretty much defeat this entire claim that Marvel fans are complaining without justification. Where does any of that support Fox being the "rightful studio"? Think about this: They've had the rights to the most popular comic franchise post 1980 and have yet to get one of them above 250 million. (I don't count Deadpool since they barely seemed to care about that one) That's pathetic. Their "Wolverine and Friends" franchise has been mediocre at best post X2....embarrassing at worst. Their treatment of Deadpool should be in the dictionary next to "mishandling". Only when Fox was convinced to let RR and company make their own DP movie did they allocate a small budget and let them go. Surprise! Suddenly DP worked. So it somehow seems out of line to criticize a studio who has wasted countless characters and made embarrassingly bad movies? That sounds like another fake reason to attack Marvel fans to me. Now Sony somehow went completely off the rails. They made SM 1 & 2 and Marvel fans applauded them. They literally jump started the SH movie craze we now enjoy. Then came, SM 3, TASM, and TASM 2. ....You don't see why anyone would complain about that putrid output? I mean...we literally saw how much these characters would improve if Marvel got them back. Homecoming was a vast improvement on the previous 3 Sony movies and ranks right up there with the first 2. What a coincidence, eh? So obviously Marvel understand their own characters. The idea that the X-men would befuddle Marvel is pretty absurd. Since when does Fox understand the X-men? Yep, I liked the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies and some of the X-Men movies. And there was hardly any Marvel vs DC war, until MCU came along and MCU fans started trashing and smearing every non-MCU film. That was definitely when the MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony war began. Exactly....you and everyone else liked those movies at the beginning. Then something changed. ...and it certainly wasn't the birth of the MCU. It was the death of good movies by Fox and Sony. This idea that DC fans were just mild mannered and minding their own business until Marvel fans came along and transformed them into the bitter attack dogs we see today is a pretty incredible claim. DC fans today aren't any different than they were before. But again...it's probably more Batman fans than DC fans. I love Superman, Flash, Green Lantern so I'm a DC fan too. Listening to Batman fans claim his superiority over all the other DC characters is a clue about where all this really comes from. Batman fans have been attacking all the other characters all along.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 23, 2017 18:02:16 GMT
Come on guys/gals! Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Because the DC and Star Wars prequels "fans" here are nothing more than trolls and the Admin allows them to get away with it. This isn't the normal "my franchise is better than your franchise because…" argument. They start of fake arguments for kicks. They have no interest in conversation Actually, it's the complete opposite. These boards are full of MCU trolls who try to trash and smear every non-MCU movie. The other ay I started a thread with a link to an article in which a Justice League actor said that the script for Justice League 2 was already being worked on. The article didn't say anything at all about Marvel and I didn't mention Marvel at all in my thread.
But an MCU troll once again hijacked the thread and started turning it into an MCU vs DC thread. That proves once and for all what I've been saying is 100% true. MCU fans hate anything that isn't non-MCU and they're always on these boards trying to trash and smear every non-MCU movie.
Then after turning the thread into an MCU vs DC thread, those MCU trolls pull the same bullshit you're trying to pull and try to blame it on DC fans when the fact is it's really MCU fans that are the trolls hijacking threads on these boards and turning them into MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony threads.
DC fans don't hate Fox or Sony fans. Fox fans don't hate DC or Sony fans. And Sony fans don't hate DC or Fox fans. But MCU fans hate DC and Fox and Sony fans.
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Post by harpospoke on Oct 23, 2017 18:07:43 GMT
Because the DC and Star Wars prequels "fans" here are nothing more than trolls and the Admin allows them to get away with it. This isn't the normal "my franchise is better than your franchise because…" argument. They start of fake arguments for kicks. They have no interest in conversation Actually, it's the complete opposite. These boards are full of MCU trolls who try to trash and smear every non-MCU movie. The other ay I started a thread with a link to an article in which a Justice League actor said that the script for Justice League 2 was already being worked on. The article didn't say anything at all about Marvel and I didn't mention Marvel at all in my thread.
But an MCU troll once again hijacked the thread and started turning it into an MCU vs DC thread. That proves once and for all what I've been saying is 100% true. MCU fans hate anything that isn't non-MCU and they're always on these boards trying to trash and smear every non-MCU movie.
Then after turning the thread into an MCU vs DC thread, those MCU trolls pull the same bullshit you're trying to pull and try to blame it on DC fans when the fact is it's really MCU fans that are the trolls hijacking threads on these boards and turning them into MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony threads.
DC fans don't hate Fox or Sony fans. Fox fans don't hate DC or Sony fans. And Sony fans don't hate DC or Fox fans. But MCU fans hate DC and Fox and Sony fans.
Suuure....totally believable. You show up in almost every thread on this board (A Marvel board) because you are just an innocent victim. Or maybe you do it because you love Marvel movies so much? (checks your posts) ...Oh I guess not. I mean...if you are going to pretend DC fans are not the problem, at least you could make that claim on the DC board instead of the same board where you constantly attack Marvel.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 23, 2017 18:09:26 GMT
Homecoming was a vast improvement on the previous 3 Sony movies and ranks right up there with the first 2 No, Homecoming is the worst Spider-Man movie adaptation ever! Aside from the fact that Homecoming wasn't even a Spider-Man movie but an Iron Man movie with Spider-Man as a supporting character who doesn't use his Spider-Sense but uses AI suits given to him by Tony Stark, you talk about Fox ruining Cyclops, Storm, Colossus, Rogue, Ice Man, Angel, Deadpool, Phoenix, MCU COMPLETELY RUINED MARVEL'S FLAGSHIP CHARACTER SPIDER-MAN BY TURNING HIM FROM A SUPERHERO WHO USES HIS POWER FOR GOOD BECAUSE HE HAS A "GREAT RESPONSIBILTY" (AS HE LEARNED FROM NOT STOPPING THE THIEF THAT WOULD KILL UNCLE BEN) INTO AN IMMATURE AND SHALLOW SHOW-OFF WHO ONLY CARES ABOUT "WHEN IS HAPPY HOGAN GOING TO CALL ME BACK?" AND "I HOPE TONY STARK IS IMPRESSED WITH WHAT I'M DOING".Like I said, Homecoming is the worst Spider-Man movie adaptation ever!
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 23, 2017 18:13:12 GMT
Actually, it's the complete opposite. These boards are full of MCU trolls who try to trash and smear every non-MCU movie. The other ay I started a thread with a link to an article in which a Justice League actor said that the script for Justice League 2 was already being worked on. The article didn't say anything at all about Marvel and I didn't mention Marvel at all in my thread.
But an MCU troll once again hijacked the thread and started turning it into an MCU vs DC thread. That proves once and for all what I've been saying is 100% true. MCU fans hate anything that isn't non-MCU and they're always on these boards trying to trash and smear every non-MCU movie.
Then after turning the thread into an MCU vs DC thread, those MCU trolls pull the same bullshit you're trying to pull and try to blame it on DC fans when the fact is it's really MCU fans that are the trolls hijacking threads on these boards and turning them into MCU vs DC and Fox and Sony threads.
DC fans don't hate Fox or Sony fans. Fox fans don't hate DC or Sony fans. And Sony fans don't hate DC or Fox fans. But MCU fans hate DC and Fox and Sony fans.
the same board where you constantly attack Marvel. That's false. I've said many times before that despite the bad reviews for Iron Fist, I didn't think Iron Fist was that bad. I'm always unbiased and fair and give every MCU movie and show a fair chance. But MCU movies are just awful and Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter and Jessica Jones are also awful. Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist aren't bad though.
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