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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Oct 28, 2017 7:52:42 GMT
It never much bothered me in the comics, but in the movie universes, it's kind of annoying.
I was annoyed by the Spider-Man: Homecoming completely retconning the timeline with the "8 years later", or the fact that Lady Sif said on Agents of SHIELD that an alien hadn't visited Earth in hundreds of years or whatever. Obviously aliens of visited Earth an almost ridiculous amount of times.
I'm now annoyed by the fact that the DCEU retconned Wonder Woman "giving up on mankind" a hundred years ago. Like.. they shouldn't have made that a part of BvS or at the very least they shouldn't have mentioned the "100 years" at all.
It's not the end of the world, but it is certainly annoying.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 28, 2017 14:00:57 GMT
It never much bothered me in the comics, but in the movie universes, it's kind of annoying. I was annoyed by the Spider-Man: Homecoming completely retconning the timeline with the "8 years later", or the fact that Lady Sif said on Agents of SHIELD that an alien hadn't visited Earth in hundreds of years or whatever. Obviously aliens of visited Earth an almost ridiculous amount of times. I'm now annoyed by the fact that the DCEU retconned Wonder Woman "giving up on mankind" a hundred years ago. Like.. they shouldn't have made that a part of BvS or at the very least they shouldn't have mentioned the "100 years" at all. It's not the end of the world, but it is certainly annoying. This is the problem that filmmakers create when they give specific numbers for things to happen in the movie. X-men gave a specific age when Xavier met Magneto in X1 and they retconned it in First Class. When you do that you're asking for trouble in movies later on. Just blur it up with "years later" or "some time ago" or something like that. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 28, 2017 16:53:13 GMT
It never much bothered me in the comics, but in the movie universes, it's kind of annoying. I was annoyed by the Spider-Man: Homecoming completely retconning the timeline with the "8 years later", or the fact that Lady Sif said on Agents of SHIELD that an alien hadn't visited Earth in hundreds of years or whatever. Obviously aliens of visited Earth an almost ridiculous amount of times. Sif said that? Did she forget that Thor visited Earth? She even visited Earth herself. I'm now annoyed by the fact that the DCEU retconned Wonder Woman "giving up on mankind" a hundred years ago. Like.. they shouldn't have made that a part of BvS = Diana never said she "gave up" on Mankind. In BvS, she said she "walked away" from Mankind. Diana believed that the Great War was caused by Ares controlling Mankind and forcing them to fight, but she discovered that wasn't true. She discovered that Mankind has the capacity for both good and evil and all Ares did was persuade Mankind to choose the path towards evil. Diana's job was to kill Ares and she did that. Her job wasn't to meddle with Mankind like Ares did or impose her will as a demi-goddess over Mankind (her father Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will). With no other supernatural or superhuman threats to Mankind after Ares was killed, she had to just step back and let Mankind choose its own path. So she "walked away", living a life of her own (since she couldn't return to Themyscira) and keeping her identity and powers a secret from the world. This is supported by Diana's final lines in the movie: " I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to Mankind. But then I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them there will always be both. A CHOICE EACH MUST MAKE FOR THEMSELVES. SOMETHING NO HERO WILL EVER DEFEAT." |
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Post by gromel on Oct 28, 2017 17:07:47 GMT
Snyder had the wrong idea so they disregarded it. Good. Do they expect anyone to believe she just sat out WW2 which was even worse than WW1?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 29, 2017 1:41:39 GMT
The MCU's continuity is in tatters. The only solution is to reboot the MCU.
Guys, I'm worried about further retconning between now and the MCU reboot...
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Post by dazz on Oct 29, 2017 2:08:03 GMT
It never much bothered me in the comics, but in the movie universes, it's kind of annoying. I was annoyed by the Spider-Man: Homecoming completely retconning the timeline with the "8 years later", or the fact that Lady Sif said on Agents of SHIELD that an alien hadn't visited Earth in hundreds of years or whatever. Obviously aliens of visited Earth an almost ridiculous amount of times. Sif said that? Did she forget that Thor visited Earth? She even visited Earth herself. I'm now annoyed by the fact that the DCEU retconned Wonder Woman "giving up on mankind" a hundred years ago. Like.. they shouldn't have made that a part of BvS = Diana never said she "gave up" on Mankind. In BvS, she said she "walked away" from Mankind. Diana believed that the Great War was caused by Ares controlling Mankind and forcing them to fight, but she discovered that wasn't true. She discovered that Mankind has the capacity for both good and evil and all Ares did was persuade Mankind to choose the path towards evil. Diana's job was to kill Ares and she did that. Her job wasn't to meddle with Mankind like Ares did or impose her will as a demi-goddess over Mankind (her father Zeus created Mankind and gave Mankind free will). With no other supernatural or superhuman threats to Mankind after Ares was killed, she had to just step back and let Mankind choose its own path. So she "walked away", living a life of her own (since she couldn't return to Themyscira) and keeping her identity and powers a secret from the world. This is supported by Diana's final lines in the movie: " I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to Mankind. But then I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them there will always be both. A CHOICE EACH MUST MAKE FOR THEMSELVES. SOMETHING NO HERO WILL EVER DEFEAT." I think the Siff & aliens things wasn't a catch all no aliens have visited earth in centuries but that none of the aliens she told Coulson about such as the Kree and other blue skinned aliens had in fact been on the planet for a long time, even Yondu didn't technically step foot on earth, also what she says isn't gospel, given the Kree's past it could simply be they and other races were forbidden from going to earth due to their prior actions and signed a treaty to such effect, one that had not been broken to her knowledge so to her no alien had been to earth for years.
The Diana thing maybe true technically but given the manner in which she says it in BVS the intent was retconned via WW, if she just walked away because she defeated Ares then she has no purpose to fight so why does she choose to now? The only excuse is because she was disenchanted with humanity so she left us to our own devises and only when faced with her past and seeing the heroism of Batman & Superman that she come to believe it worth saving once more.
Had the hundred years bit not be included the end of WW works because it ends with her believing that humanity is good without Ares until WW2 when even without him humanity relapses into barbarity at such a scale, this being what makes her turn her back on humanity till BVS, generations would have been a better word to use really as it implies a long long time but can be as long or short as needed for the story.
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