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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 6, 2017 18:50:47 GMT
I never got why a killer Batman is so controversial. It wouldn't be...if they hadn't shown us that Joker was still alive. I agree that logically it would make sense that he would kill the Joker. But we really don't know the whole story with Batman past in the DCEU. I'M guessing that the DCEU Joker was a former Robin, Tim Drake? Jason Todd?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 6, 2017 19:01:21 GMT
It wouldn't be...if they hadn't shown us that Joker was still alive. I agree that logically it would make sense that he would kill the Joker. But we really don't know the whole story with Batman past in the DCEU. I'M guessing that the DCEU Joker was a former Robin, Tim Drake? Jason Todd? The DC people said he isn't. He's just the Joker.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 6, 2017 20:06:46 GMT
But despite all that, Batman is no longer portrayed as a casual murderer in DC. I never got why a killer Batman is so controversial. he isn't just with a few hypocritical fanboys; Cui Bono? just check who is buttsore here beginning with OP-er? Are those DC fans or the typical MCU fanatics. It's like DC Fan states his more terrorist extremist stuff... KillerBats was always popular with the fanbase, even Bob Kane hated goofy Batman and was very proud of Burton Killer-Batman (Stan Lee told how much he bragged). Even Supes has precedents were is not a boy scout; and MoS essentially took over the premise of the original film of an angry young man maturing into a grown up. In the old film it was just a time jump, in MoS it takes the film duration and ends with a huge smile as last shot.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 20:59:33 GMT
As a DC fan, I can assure you that's not entirely accurate. Most of us don't want a casual killer Batman. It doesn't make sense that a man whose parents were murdered in front of him would be so blase about killing.
But the most important thing is that the movies just weren't that good. Those moments weren't earned by the story.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 6, 2017 21:00:51 GMT
in their respective films? Aren't they superheroes? It's as if they dont care about human lives... Watch either Avengers movie and then come back and talk about body counts pal. Its as if the entire Avengers team doesn't care about human lives...
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 21:08:58 GMT
in their respective films? Aren't they superheroes? It's as if they dont care about human lives... Watch either Avengers movie and then come back and talk about body counts pal. Its as if the entire Avengers team doesn't care about human lives... The Chitauri invasion was built on the Avengers containing the fighting to them in as small an area as possible away from the rest of the city. Captain America gave a whole speech on it. During Sokovia's fights, the Avengers worked to get every civilian out of the city. Cap gave another speech on that too. Looks like they did care about human lives.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 6, 2017 21:47:26 GMT
Watch either Avengers movie and then come back and talk about body counts pal. Its as if the entire Avengers team doesn't care about human lives... The Chitauri invasion was built on the Avengers containing the fighting to them in as small an area as possible away from the rest of the city. Captain America gave a whole speech on it. During Sokovia's fights, the Avengers worked to get every civilian out of the city. Cap gave another speech on that too. Looks like they did care about human lives. Well then lets hope Superman and Batman give a speech about it, since that's what matters, so you can say the same about them.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 22:30:06 GMT
Nah. They don't need the speech. They need to just actually care about human lives and show it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2017 22:47:01 GMT
in their respective films? Aren't they superheroes? It's as if they dont care about human lives... Watch either Avengers movie and then come back and talk about body counts pal. Its as if the entire Avengers team doesn't care about human lives... Very true!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 22:48:01 GMT
Not true at all.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2017 22:55:43 GMT
Watch either Avengers movie and then come back and talk about body counts pal. Its as if the entire Avengers team doesn't care about human lives... The Chitauri invasion was built on the Avengers containing the fighting to them in as small an area as possible away from the rest of the city. Captain America gave a whole speech on it. During Sokovia's fights, the Avengers worked to get every civilian out of the city. Cap gave another speech on that too. Looks like they did care about human lives. No, the Avengers didn't contain the fighting to a small area away from the rest of the city. Cap gave a speech, but Cap's speech was just basically nothing but the kind of bullshit speech that a politician gives saying he's going to do this and he's going to do that but failing to deliver on his promises. Same with Cap's speech - it was just a bullshit political speech saying what they were going to do but failing to deliver.
How do we know they failed to deliver? Common sense. Black Widow, Cap, and Hawkeye couldn't fly so they were on the ground unable to stop the Chitauri flying in the air. Thor was busy fighting Loki. That left only Iron Man (who can fly) and Hulk (who can jump high but can't fly) to patrol the entire area against hundreds of Chitauri flying in the air. Explain how 2 people (1 of whom can jump high but can't fly) can prevent hundreds of Chitauri flying in the air from going outside that small area and chasing after civilians anywhere they wanted in Manhattan. They can't. It's just bad writing!
That's why I give MCU movies such low ratings. Because the MCU writers always treat audiences as dumb little kids:
1. Yeah, we're going to have 2 people (1 of whom can't fly) stop hundreds of aliens flying in the air from flying anywhere they want.
2. Yeah, when a boat is split in half, you can stop the boat from sinking just by pushing the 2 halves of the boat together.
3. Yeah, we're going to have Peter's best friend bring an alien weapon into the Washington Monument and blow up the elevator but DHS, FBI, and DC Police won't detain him for questioning.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2017 22:56:04 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 23:21:35 GMT
The Chitauri invasion was built on the Avengers containing the fighting to them in as small an area as possible away from the rest of the city. Captain America gave a whole speech on it. During Sokovia's fights, the Avengers worked to get every civilian out of the city. Cap gave another speech on that too. Looks like they did care about human lives. No, the Avengers didn't contain the fighting to a small area away from the rest of the city. Cap gave a speech, but Cap's speech was just basically nothing but the kind of bullshit speech that a politician gives saying he's going to do this and he's going to do that but failing to deliver on his promises. Same with Cap's speech - it was just a bullshit political speech saying what they were going to do but failing to deliver.
How do we know they failed to deliver? Common sense. Black Widow, Cap, and Hawkeye couldn't fly so they were on the ground unable to stop the Chitauri flying in the air. Thor was busy fighting Loki. That left only Iron Man (who can fly) and Hulk (who can jump high but can't fly) to patrol the entire area against hundreds of Chitauri flying in the air. Explain how 2 people (1 of whom can jump high but can't fly) can prevent hundreds of Chitauri flying in the air from going outside that small area and chasing after civilians anywhere they wanted in Manhattan. They can't. It's just bad writing!
That's why I give MCU movies such low ratings. Because the MCU writers always treat audiences as dumb little kids:
1. Yeah, we're going to have 2 people (1 of whom can't fly) stop hundreds of aliens flying in the air from flying anywhere they want.
2. Yeah, when a boat is split in half, you can stop the boat from sinking just by pushing the 2 halves of the boat together.
3. Yeah, we're going to have Peter's best friend bring an alien weapon into the Washington Monument and blow up the elevator but DHS, FBI, and DC Police won't detain him for questioning.
Easy. The Chitarui were focused on them. If they got away, Ironman or Hulk took them out. Also, there was that scene where even Black Widow hopped on a flying machine. Plus, Thor wasn't busy fighting Loki. That actually happened at the beginning of the battle. You guys are so focused on the speech. The speech was to explain the plan. The battle, however, showed the plan in action I mentioned the speech because some people seemed to have missed the obvious. The Avengers worked two plans in two separate movies to minimize the death toll.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 23:24:12 GMT
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Post by Terrapin Station on Nov 6, 2017 23:25:39 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2017 23:38:09 GMT
If they got away, Ironman or Hulk took them out. No, they didn't Saying that 2 people (1 of whom can't even fly) can stop hundreds of aliens flying in the air from flying anywhere they wanted is as dumb as saying when a boat is split in half, pushing together the 2 halves of the boat will stop the boat from sinking. there was that scene where even Black Widow hopped on a flying machine. Another example of bad writing. When you're in the air above the buildings and have a clear line of sight to everything on the ground, why would you fly lower than the height of the buildings to 1) obstruct your view and limit your line of sight and 2) allow someone who can't fly to jump onto your aircraft? That's also as dumb as saying when a boat is split in half, pushing together the 2 halves of the boat will stop the boat from sinking. Like I said before, MCU writers always treat the audience as dumb little kids.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2017 23:38:31 GMT
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 23:40:31 GMT
If they got away, Ironman or Hulk took them out. No, they didn't Saying that 2 people (1 of whom can't even fly) can stop hundreds of aliens flying in the air from flying anywhere they wanted is as dumb as saying when a boat is split in half, pushing together the 2 halves of the boat will stop the boat from sinking. there was that scene where even Black Widow hopped on a flying machine. Another example of bad writing. When you're in the air above the buildings and have a clear line of sight to everything on the ground, why would you fly lower than the height of the buildings to 1) obstruct your view and limit your line of sight and 2) allow someone who can't fly to jump onto your aircraft? That's also as dumb as saying when a boat is split in half, pushing together the 2 halves of the boat will stop the boat from sinking. Like I said before, MCU writers always treat the audience as dumb little kids. They did. You can actually see it happening on the screen. Except all those buildings do not provide a clear line of sight. They aren't transparent.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 6, 2017 23:49:19 GMT
They did. You can actually see it happening on the screen. No, they didn't. Because it goes against all common sense and logic. Hey look, SMH showed Iron Man stopping the boat from sinking just by pushing the 2 halves of the boat together. But just because they showed it doesn't make it true. Because anyone with any intelligence knows that you can't stop a boat from sinking just by pushing the 2 split halves of the boat together. Same with the Chitauri. Everyone with any intelligence knows that it's impossible for 2 people (1 of whom can't even fly) to stop hundreds of flying aliens from flying anywhere they want. Except all those buildings do not provide a clear line of sight. They aren't transparent. YES! That's my point! When the Chitauri are above the height of the buildings, they have a clear line of sight to everything on the ground and a clear line of fire to any people on the ground. If they fly below the buildings, they no longer have a clear line of sight or clear line of fire because the buildings obstruct their view and their line of fire. So there wouldn't be any reason for the Chitauri to fly below the height of the buildings. But the MCU writers were lazy and couldn't think of any other way for Black Widow (who can't fly) to get involved in the action and not just stand around on the ground for the entire battle. So the writers made the Chitauri fly below the height of the buildings even though there was no reason for the Chitauri to do so and no experienced military force (which the Chitauri should be since they've probably invaded plenty of other planets) would do something so dumb and senseless. Like I said, MCU writers always treat the audience like dumb little kids.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 6, 2017 23:57:34 GMT
They did. It happened on screen. Everyone saw it. You can't deny what was actually shown.
No, they don't have a clear line of sight. Even from way up there. The third dimensional plane prevents that. The buildings are very tall. They get in the way.
Plus, the people weren't just standing in the streets. By the time Black Widow jumped on the flyer, the crowds were hiding inside the buildings. The only way the Chitauri could get to them was to fly below the buildings to get them. Also, as I mentioned, they were also after the Avengers.
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