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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2017 20:17:44 GMT
Just to be clear, this isn't a which is better thread, or a one of them sucks thread
Objectively speaking, if Ragnarok didn't exist, the comic book movie world would be doing nothing but talking about Justice League right now, and would have been for the past two weeks. As it stands however, Thor has dominated that conversation due to some massive buzz, and will continue to through at least this weekend. So realistically, Justice League won't own the spotlight until very shortly before it's release.
Now that we have some first hand experience, how has the reality of the situation affected JL as compared to if Ragnarok didn't exist? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 8, 2017 20:42:29 GMT
Just to be clear, this isn't a which is better thread, or a one of them sucks thread
Objectively speaking, if Ragnarok didn't exist, the comic book movie world would be doing nothing but talking about Justice League right now, and would have been for the past two weeks. As it stands however, Thor has dominated that conversation due to some massive buzz, and will continue to through at least this weekend. So realistically, Justice League won't own the spotlight until very shortly before it's release.
Now that we have some first hand experience, how has the reality of the situation affected JL as compared to if Ragnarok didn't exist? We've already had this (heated if I remember) conversation on another similar thread. Yes, the current buzz is about Thor, which would have been about JL if not for Thor. So, will this factor in to how JL might not do as well at the box office when it finally comes out? I think its a real possibility. Will people be "super heroed" out by the time JL comes around? Maybe. There's a perception out there that Marvel is the "better" brand and yes that could hurt JLs opening, from which it will never recover. That and many other factors can hurt JL. A lot of us are also forgetting that Star Wars is on its way and will cut the legs out from under both Thor AND JL. JL is in a bit of a pickle.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2017 20:55:34 GMT
We've already had this (heated if I remember) conversation on another similar thread.
There's a perception out there that Marvel is the "better" brand and yes that could hurt JLs opening, from which it will never recover.
A lot of us are also forgetting that Star Wars is on its way and will cut the legs out from under both Thor AND JL. JL is in a bit of a pickle.
Well I wasn't heated, I don't know about you.
But that perception isn't only real, it's earned. Marvel has earned it's reputation.
And Star Wars comes out a full month after JL, so it shouldn't be too bad. May take a few 10's of millions off. For Thor it will have been 6 weeks though, so that shouldn't be a big deal for it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 8, 2017 21:06:10 GMT
We've already had this (heated if I remember) conversation on another similar thread.
There's a perception out there that Marvel is the "better" brand and yes that could hurt JLs opening, from which it will never recover.
A lot of us are also forgetting that Star Wars is on its way and will cut the legs out from under both Thor AND JL. JL is in a bit of a pickle.
Well I wasn't heated, I don't know about you.
But that perception isn't only real, it's earned. Marvel has earned it's reputation.
And Star Wars comes out a full month after JL, so it shouldn't be too bad. May take a few 10's of millions off. For Thor it will have been 6 weeks though, so that shouldn't be a big deal for it.
If you're not getting that by now, you're just unwilling to accept objective reality. Disney didn't point a gun at our collective heads and say, "give us all your money to watch this trash." People are choosing to do so because they had past experiences with the brand that were positive. Cue the übermenschen of the world who will cling to "herd mentality" as that last fig leaf in their debating arsenal. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 8, 2017 21:51:04 GMT
Can't argue there. Even after somewhat disappointing outings like Thor 2 or Age of Ultron, Marvel has managed to win back the audiences.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 8, 2017 22:30:30 GMT
Can't argue there. Even after somewhat disappointing outings like Thor 2 or Age of Ultron, Marvel has managed to win back the audiences. I do see what you're getting at, but I have to just have to say I don't think either of those were disappointing in the sense that they lost the audience or needed to win anybody back. But yes, clearly they've shown the ability that even 17 films into a series (which is mindblowing), they're getting better.
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Post by scabab on Nov 8, 2017 23:26:34 GMT
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 9, 2017 3:22:29 GMT
Well it certainly doesn't help JL by being so close in release date.
I do think that we'll see a pretty big dip in Thor's box office intake, but that's expected.
Both movies will lose some kind of semi-significant amount of money here.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 9, 2017 4:05:21 GMT
Can't argue there. Even after somewhat disappointing outings like Thor 2 or Age of Ultron, Marvel has managed to win back the audiences. Because those weren't bad movies. They weren't as good as other mcu movies but they were still better than most other superhero movies. So Marvel never really needed to "win back" their audiences. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 9, 2017 4:11:49 GMT
Can't argue there. Even after somewhat disappointing outings like Thor 2 or Age of Ultron, Marvel has managed to win back the audiences. Because those weren't bad movies. They weren't as good as other mcu movies but they were still better than most other superhero movies. So Marvel never really needed to "win back" their audiences. 100% correct. I can't ever tell if people are joking when they say those were bad, because they're clearly good. I mean AOU is really well made with a lot of great stuff in it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 5:28:58 GMT
Because those weren't bad movies. They weren't as good as other mcu movies but they were still better than most other superhero movies. So Marvel never really needed to "win back" their audiences. 100% correct. I can't ever tell if people are joking when they say those were bad, because they're clearly good. I mean AOU is really well made with a lot of great stuff in it. People just like to bitch. They're still just sore that Ultron isn't what they expecting, though if he saw, that'd have been boring. We've already had enough Hals and Skynets. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 9, 2017 8:02:42 GMT
I actually really liked Avengers Age of Ultron but I do think Ultron himself was a bit disappointing.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 9, 2017 12:25:14 GMT
I actually really liked Avengers Age of Ultron but I do think Ultron himself was a bit disappointing. I have an outlook on these things that keeps me from being disappointed. I sort of just realize that they aren't reading my mind and going to make exactly what I had in mind, so as long as the character isn't off base off I'm totally cool with it. I didn't read a lot of Ultron comics, but I thought what he did in the film was really cool, so I had no reason to feel even the slightest sense of disappointment. Actually I like him a lot. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 9, 2017 13:31:07 GMT
100% correct. I can't ever tell if people are joking when they say those were bad, because they're clearly good. I mean AOU is really well made with a lot of great stuff in it. People just like to bitch. They're still just sore that Ultron isn't what they expecting, though if he saw, that'd have been boring. We've already had enough Hals and Skynets. Or Agent Smiths. I appreciate what Marvel tried to do with Ultron, though I would have preferred maybe five less jokes. Same goes for everyone in that movie, to be honest. People are dying in Sokovia and Cap quips about Thor being stuck in traffic or whatever. Maybe ten less jokes total and the general audience would've appreciated AoU a lot more. It's easily in the top half of MCU films for me, don't get me wrong. Still could've used a tad less humor. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 9, 2017 15:03:42 GMT
Can't argue there. Even after somewhat disappointing outings like Thor 2 or Age of Ultron, Marvel has managed to win back the audiences. Because those weren't bad movies. They weren't as good as other mcu movies but they were still better than most other superhero movies. So Marvel never really needed to "win back" their audiences. Hence the "disappointing." Keep in minid, I didn't say they were "bad," nor do I hate them. I'm actually a big fan of those two movies (particularly Age of Ultron as it gets better with every rewatch). But initial reactions weren't as high as for past movies, with many people even speculating they (along with the twist in Iron Man 3) might be the start of Marvel's decline. Subsequent movies showed this was not the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 2:31:07 GMT
I actually really liked Avengers Age of Ultron but I do think Ultron himself was a bit disappointing. I think Ultron was going disappoint someone no matter what they did. The evil AI trope is SO overdone that its hard to come up with a fresh angle to tackle it with. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 10, 2017 2:46:48 GMT
Because those weren't bad movies. They weren't as good as other mcu movies but they were still better than most other superhero movies. So Marvel never really needed to "win back" their audiences. Hence the "disappointing." Keep in minid, I didn't say they were "bad," nor do I hate them. I'm actually a big fan of those two movies (particularly Age of Ultron as it gets better with every rewatch). But initial reactions weren't as high as for past movies, with many people even speculating they (along with the twist in Iron Man 3) might be the start of Marvel's decline. Subsequent movies showed this was not the case. So anything that isn't the best is disappointing? I'm sorry, but I don't use the word that loosely. Disappointing is something that is below acceptable, and AOU was very acceptable. |
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Post by darkpast on Nov 10, 2017 5:46:14 GMT
Justice League should play well through Thanksgiving Holiday even if it opens on the low side
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 10, 2017 5:47:45 GMT
Justice League should play well through Thanksgiving Holiday even if it opens on the low side Not with ‘Coco’ opening on Thanksgiving, though. |
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Post by darkpast on Nov 10, 2017 5:50:01 GMT
Justice League should play well through Thanksgiving Holiday even if it opens on the low side Not with ‘Coco’ opening on Thanksgiving, though. a cartoon? |
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