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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 10, 2017 13:38:04 GMT
I know a few here seem to bothered by it, including @weirdraptor. But what about the rest of you?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 10, 2017 13:56:26 GMT
I have no problem with it...I just want to know why he let DCEU Joker and Harley live.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 10, 2017 14:33:03 GMT
I have no problem with it...I just want to know why he let DCEU Joker and Harley live. Perhaps he's Jason Todd. *cue dramatic chipmunk* |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 10, 2017 14:54:31 GMT
I have no problem with it...I just want to know why he let DCEU Joker and Harley live. Perhaps he's Jason Todd. *cue dramatic chipmunk* Sorry to say, he isn't. Batman just has a double standard over who he kills. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Nov 10, 2017 14:57:28 GMT
I am in the "Yes, He shouldn't be a killer...but..." side of things...so I voted "Other"
None of the heroes should kill...but all of them have.
And when they have, it has become a massive issue.
There is also a small narrative difference between "Killing" and "Not Saving" like with Ras in "Batman Begins" or "indirectly killing while trying to capture" in Burton's "Batman"
The Dark Knight addressed it the best out of all incarnations of Batman outside of the comics in the final capture of The Joker.
The problem with the DCEU is that it's indiscriminate killing for brutality sake. I was fine with Batman "killing" the guy with the flamethrower in order to save Martha...but the over the top head smashing and shooting of the flunkies, and the collateral damage of the Batmobile chase was too much.
And while I understand narratively what they were trying to do with Zod in MoS, they didn't handle it well enough to warrant it.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 10, 2017 14:57:35 GMT
I don't remember Affleck's Batman having a no kill rule. To answer the question,i don't mind him killing
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 10, 2017 15:38:44 GMT
the best Batman is edgy, flawed and thus human. That's the essence of the character. His most famous depictions are where he kills or maims when necessary.
And let us not forget that the flawed vigilante in BvS was not more extreme than other iterations of the character, such as TDKR where he deliberately throws a Batarang into Joker's eye and breaks his neck.
In BvS his brutal vigilantism was part of his (ongoing) character arc. Most people who complain seem not to understand what a character arc is.
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 10, 2017 16:11:38 GMT
I'll be honest: I find the no kill policy absolutism of some heroes in comics to be idiotic. I have no problem with heroes killing to save innocent lives. I understand, however, the controversy surrounding well known heroes like Superman and Batman killing in the movies. It's something that should be avoided out of respect for the fans and the source material. So while I'm not bothered by Batman killing in certain situations, I understand why some people didn't like it. Anyway:  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 16:29:39 GMT
He should only kill if he HAS to. He shouldn't pancaking petty crooks by the dozens, especially in situations when he should be able to easily overpower them and leave them for the police. Most of those mercenaries he easily takes out over the course of the movie would have enough of a record to be put away for a long, long time.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 10, 2017 18:01:10 GMT
Keep in mind that Batman (and Superman, I believe) routinely killed criminals in the original comic books. So Murderbat from BvS isn't really a violation of the character. I think a more noble version would show more restraint than what we saw in BvS, but I don't think the intention was ever for that version to be noble. So I'm neutral.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 10, 2017 18:58:07 GMT
He should only kill if he HAS to. He shouldn't pancaking petty crooks by the dozens, especially in situations when he should be able to easily overpower them and leave them for the police. Most of those mercenaries he easily takes out over the course of the movie would have enough of a record to be put away for a long, long time. But he had to kill to save Martha! |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 10, 2017 19:12:05 GMT
He should only kill if he HAS to. He shouldn't pancaking petty crooks by the dozens, especially in situations when he should be able to easily overpower them and leave them for the police. Most of those mercenaries he easily takes out over the course of the movie would have enough of a record to be put away for a long, long time. But he had to kill to save Martha! indeed. He could not save her as a child, now he got his second chance to redeem himself. MCU fans operate under the misconception that there can only one version of a character, this may be true for MCU, but not for DC which is a diverse three-dimensional character multiverse. The Batman character is so "diverse" ranging from Lego Bats, to 60s Bats to Detective Batman the more killer Burton and miller Dark Knights. We do not have to get lost in false dilemmas here. DC is so rich I am sure there is a Batman for everyone, even a Pink Pony Batman for those who are in need of that. ![]() |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 19:23:56 GMT
I don't care.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 10, 2017 19:26:06 GMT
Batman casually killing nooks is definitely not my preference for the character. Even for a Batman who’s supposed to be driven over the edge, it doesn’t seem appropriate. Hes the one hero who probably has an even stricter no-kill rule than anyone else.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 10, 2017 19:41:06 GMT
He is the only cool character who has some killer street cred. Fox Men got Wolverine and Deadpool, so what's left for DC? If you make Batman too nice, the DC universe will get stale.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 10, 2017 19:54:35 GMT
He is the only cool character who has some killer street cred. Fox Men got Wolverine and Deadpool, so what's left for DC? Badass Dothraki Aquaman? |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 10, 2017 19:58:51 GMT
He is the only cool character who has some killer street cred. Fox Men got Wolverine and Deadpool, so what's left for DC? Badass Dothraki Aquaman? Got a point there, I only know Aqua as the lame yellow fish guy every sitcom makes fun of. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Nov 10, 2017 20:08:36 GMT
Got a point there, I only know Aqua as the lame yellow fish guy every sitcom makes fun of. This is Aquaman from the 90's...  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 10, 2017 20:17:53 GMT
Got a point there, I only know Aqua as the lame yellow fish guy every sitcom makes fun of. It's kind of a shame what Superfriends did to his character. He's been pretty badass since the 1980s. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 10, 2017 20:43:58 GMT
I do have a problem with Batman killing, and even the branding he does in BvS. For starters, it was originally thought that Batman branded criminals so they'd be killed in prison. But the ultimate cut established that it was actually Lex Luthor paying off other prisoners to do that. So that begs the question why Batman brands in the first place. Secondly, if Batman is going to kill, he might as well take the costume off and pick up a gun and call himself the Punisher, because that's essentially what he's trying to be. Snyder was trying to be edgy like, oh he's like the Punisher, but not quite. It's either you are or not, there's no in between. Plus there was a quote in one of the comics when he was asked by Robin why he doesn't kill the Joker and his response was that "I want him dead--maybe more than anything. But if I do that. If I allow myself to go down into that place, I'll never come back." Even Daredevil established this with the Punisher with their argument when Daredevil agreed that they could kill the ones who killed Frank's family, and Frank's response was that "That's that's not how it works.
You cross over to my side of the line you don't get to come back from that.
Not ever.
" It also raises a couple questions. Why hasn't Batman killed the Joker? and... Why is some regular mook, just a hired gun's life worth less than the Joker's, who is one of the most despicable villains Batman has ever encountered? Seriously, it was all just Snyder trying to be edgy with Batman. He just doesn't understand the character.
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