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Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 4, 2017 14:14:13 GMT
Looks like I will have to explain again. The Equality Act 2010 says employers can, in some situations, take steps to help certain disadvantaged groups access employment or training. This is called positive action. On 6 April 2011 the new positive action provisions on recruitment and promotion contained in the Equality Act 2010 (the act) came into force. Positive action in recruitment: An employer can take your protected characteristic [i.e. age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage or civil partnership (in employment only), pregnancy and maternity; race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation] into account when deciding who to appoint to a job, if: •people with your characteristic are at a disadvantage or under-represented in the employer's workforce, and •you and the other candidates are equally qualified. For example, if an employer has several equally qualified candidates for a job [i.e. standards aren't "lowered"], it wouldn't be unlawful discrimination to give preferential treatment to a woman if women are under-represented in the employer's workforce. But the employer would have to take the comparative merits of the other candidates into consideration before making the appointment. [Law Society, Citizens Advice Bureau, passim] see also: www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/what-positive-action-is-permitted-under-discrimination-legislation/103008/ I hope that helps. Thanks for - still - playing.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 4, 2017 23:21:34 GMT
Looks like I will have to explain again. The Equality Act 2010 says employers can, in some situations, take steps to help certain disadvantaged groups access employment or training. This is called positive action. On 6 April 2011 the new positive action provisions on recruitment and promotion contained in the Equality Act 2010 (the act) came into force. Positive action in recruitment: An employer can take your protected characteristic [i.e. age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage or civil partnership (in employment only), pregnancy and maternity; race, religion or belief, sex, sexual orientation] into account when deciding who to appoint to a job, if: •people with your characteristic are at a disadvantage or under-represented in the employer's workforce, and •you and the other candidates are equally qualified. For example, if an employer has several equally qualified candidates for a job [i.e. standards aren't "lowered"], it wouldn't be unlawful discrimination to give preferential treatment to a woman if women are under-represented in the employer's workforce. But the employer would have to take the comparative merits of the other candidates into consideration before making the appointment. [Law Society, Citizens Advice Bureau, passim] see also: www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/what-positive-action-is-permitted-under-discrimination-legislation/103008/ I hope that helps. Thanks for - still - playing. So banning whites from applying is positive action, not positive discrimination, eh? Thanks for playing QED LOLQED!!!111
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 4, 2017 23:23:39 GMT
So either the BBC operates the fire brigade, or you have moved the goalposts. I haven't moved the goal posts at all. The BBC has stated diversity goals, not just for race, but gender, gender identity and sexuality. And here they are offering three positions to non white people ONLY. So please do tell, how the fire brigade is going to increase its diversity without doing similar things?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 5, 2017 0:41:07 GMT
I'm starting to hate all that forced diversity stuff.
You have to look at the color of peoples skin to enforce your diversity quotas.. It's all racist as hell.
Plus, it's all selective diversity. You don't hear any SJW's giving a shit about gender diversity in nursing.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 5, 2017 3:34:04 GMT
I'm starting to hate all that forced diversity stuff. You have to look at the color of peoples skin to enforce your diversity quotas.. It's all racist as hell. Plus, it's all selective diversity. You don't hear any SJW's giving a shit about gender diversity in nursing. As I said, you only hear complaints about "diversity" if 1) The dominant group is white men or 2) The job is perceived as desirable. Ever hear feminists complaining about the lack of women doing infrastructure work? They bitch and moan about STEM but not sewer maintenance, funny that.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Dec 5, 2017 12:09:23 GMT
So banning whites from applying is positive action, not positive discrimination, eh?
If you really think your example is illegal discrimination under UK law my friend, then feel free to report the employer concerned, and perhaps write to the Daily Mail too. Some recent callers to LBC, guided by the notorious right wing journalist and demagogue Katie Hopkins were apparently just as exercised - according to the Daily Express - at least so perhaps you can discover what the result was and report back.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/668778/katie-hopkins-bbc-lbc
In any case, we can see from this that that here you are in congenial company, while any proposed direct action on behalf of white males will save you dragging this thread out even more and facing annoying liberals. (It's a bit sad, cherry-picking one extreme example in order to off-colour the whole notion of legal, positive action helping diversity, but I guess you have your own reasons, especially with nothing else left to play with.) For my own part, I can only repeat what is allowed, how, and why under current UK legislation - even if you will always bridle at the progressive times we live in on behalf of privileged white European males (as you deemed them).
Imitation, btw, is the sincerest form of flattery - so thanks again and goodbye.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 5, 2017 23:00:14 GMT
So banning whites from applying is positive action, not positive discrimination, eh?
If you really think your example is illegal discrimination under UK law my friend, then feel free to report the employer concerned, and perhaps write to the Daily Mail too. Some recent callers to LBC, guided by the notorious right wing journalist and demagogue Katie Hopkins were apparently just as exercised - according to the Daily Express - at least so perhaps you can discover what the result was and report back.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/668778/katie-hopkins-bbc-lbc
In any case, we can see from this that that here you are in congenial company, while any proposed direct action on behalf of white males will save you dragging this thread out even more and facing annoying liberals. (It's a bit sad, cherry-picking one extreme example in order to off-colour the whole notion of legal, positive action helping diversity, but I guess you have your own reasons, especially with nothing else left to play with.) For my own part, I can only repeat what is allowed, how, and why under current UK legislation - even if you will always bridle at the progressive times we live in on behalf of privileged white European males (as you deemed them).
Imitation, btw, is the sincerest form of flattery - so thanks again and goodbye. How about you answer the question directly, just for a change. The BBC is offering three positions to non white people only. How is that not positive discrimination? Feel free to bring up Britain First, Tommy Robinson or any other right wing group or person you can try to link me to, to avoid actually giving an answer though.
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Post by cupcakes on Dec 6, 2017 14:42:40 GMT
tpfkar As I said, you only hear complaints about "diversity" if 1) The dominant group is white men or 2) The job is perceived as desirable. Ever hear feminists complaining about the lack of women doing infrastructure work? They bitch and moan about STEM but not sewer maintenance, funny that. It's like there're no remnants of institutional exclusion at all! Amazing we recovered so well, like it never happened or everybody instantly recovered. And if there's little desire for certain fields why would they even be mentioned other than as red herring? The question on the table was "But what explanation are you offering for why certain minorities are overrepresented in certain crimes?"
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