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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 28, 2017 4:47:43 GMT
Yet, you accuse Captain America of bring judge, jury and executioner. How is it any different with Wonder Woman? Why does she get a pass? 1st, Wonder Woman isn't aiding and abetting a double-murderer like Cap did. 2nd, the guy was still holding a machine gun, which had used to fire at hostages (many of them children) just seconds earlier. So Wonder Woman was justified to use whatever force necessary against an armed terrorist who already demonstrated that he had no regard for human life and was willing to kill children. You mean the machine gun that wasn't loaded? He sprayed all his bullets towards the hostages and Wonder Woman saved all of them.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 28, 2017 4:54:01 GMT
1st, Wonder Woman isn't aiding and abetting an innocent man like Cap did. Fixed. Nope, she could've easily defeated him without killing him.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 5:11:36 GMT
Yet, you accuse Captain America of bring judge, jury and executioner. How is it any different with Wonder Woman? Why does she get a pass? 1st, Wonder Woman isn't aiding and abetting a double-murderer like Cap did. 2nd, the guy was still holding a machine gun, which had used to fire at hostages (many of them children) just seconds earlier. So Wonder Woman was justified to use whatever force necessary against an armed terrorist who already demonstrated that he had no regard for human life and was willing to kill children. He was clearly out of ammo, so clearly not a threat anymore and Wonder Woman could have easily subdued him. Also, they said the bomb was enough to blow up 4 city blocks. For starters, there are no such thing as city blocks in the UK, but also 4 blocks is roughly about a quarter mile, so that would encompass at least the neighboring two or three buildings next to the Old Bailey. But when Wonder Woman throws the bomb thru the window, it's nothing more than just a minor explosion like a grenade.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 28, 2017 5:19:04 GMT
1st, Wonder Woman isn't aiding and abetting a double-murderer like Cap did. 2nd, the guy was still holding a machine gun, which had used to fire at hostages (many of them children) just seconds earlier. So Wonder Woman was justified to use whatever force necessary against an armed terrorist who already demonstrated that he had no regard for human life and was willing to kill children. He was clearly out of ammo, so clearly not a threat anymore and Wonder Woman could have easily subdued him. Also, they said the bomb was enough to blow up 4 city blocks. For starters, there are no such thing as city blocks in the UK, but also 4 blocks is roughly about a quarter mile, so that would encompass at least the neighboring two or three buildings next to the Old Bailey. But when Wonder Woman throws the bomb thru the window, it's nothing more than just a minor explosion like a grenade. Their plan, before Wonder Woman arrived, may have been to plant multiple bombs in the surrounding area. So even though the guy may have been out of ammo, he may have been carrying more explosives on him. And since he already demonstrated, with the bomb, that he was willing to die, Wonder Woman did the right thing taking him out before he could set off another bomb.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 5:20:51 GMT
It ain't a bank robbery, it was a hostage situation by terrorists. They infiltrated the Old Bailey, not a bank. Just saying... It was the most generic and uninspiring group of characters. I'm sorry, but even for a comic book film universe, something like reactionary terrorists like we saw was cartoonish and ridiculous. They wanted to send a message because... the government and society is corrupt?? It doesn't get anymore cliche than that. They might as well had made them Muslim because you have a better chance of a Muslim terrorist over a group of white terrorists.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 28, 2017 5:21:00 GMT
Their plan, before Wonder Woman arrived, Was utterly nonsensical and a waste of screentime.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 28, 2017 5:22:07 GMT
1st, Wonder Woman isn't aiding and abetting a double-murderer like Cap did. 2nd, the guy was still holding a machine gun, which had used to fire at hostages (many of them children) just seconds earlier. So Wonder Woman was justified to use whatever force necessary against an armed terrorist who already demonstrated that he had no regard for human life and was willing to kill children. You mean the machine gun that wasn't loaded? He sprayed all his bullets towards the hostages and Wonder Woman saved all of them. Moments earlier he had tried to blow up the building so he obviously was willing to die. So who knows if he might have been carrying more explosives on him? He was a threat that needed to be taken out before he could set off another bomb.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 5:24:25 GMT
He was clearly out of ammo, so clearly not a threat anymore and Wonder Woman could have easily subdued him. Also, they said the bomb was enough to blow up 4 city blocks. For starters, there are no such thing as city blocks in the UK, but also 4 blocks is roughly about a quarter mile, so that would encompass at least the neighboring two or three buildings next to the Old Bailey. But when Wonder Woman throws the bomb thru the window, it's nothing more than just a minor explosion like a grenade. Their plan, before Wonder Woman arrived, may have been to plant multiple bombs in the surrounding area. So even though the guy may have been out of ammo, he may have been carrying more explosives on him. And since he already demonstrated, with the bomb, that he was willing to die, Wonder Woman did the right thing taking him out before he could set off another bomb. They clearly said it was that bomb that was going to cover 4-city blocks. And the guy clearly didn't have any more weapons or bombs on him. You're just making up bullshit excuses now.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 28, 2017 5:26:25 GMT
It ain't a bank robbery, it was a hostage situation by terrorists. They infiltrated the Old Bailey, not a bank. Just saying... It was the most generic and uninspiring group of characters. I'm sorry, but even for a comic book film universe, something like reactionary terrorists like we saw was cartoonish and ridiculous. They wanted to send a message because... the government and society is corrupt?? It doesn't get anymore cliche than that. They might as well had made them Muslim because you have a better chance of a Muslim terrorist over a group of white terrorists. The DCEU doesn't stereotype like you MCU fans do. Not all terrorists are Muslims. Neither Timothy McVeigh nor Ted Kaczynski were Muslims.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 5:30:15 GMT
It was the most generic and uninspiring group of characters. I'm sorry, but even for a comic book film universe, something like reactionary terrorists like we saw was cartoonish and ridiculous. They wanted to send a message because... the government and society is corrupt?? It doesn't get anymore cliche than that. They might as well had made them Muslim because you have a better chance of a Muslim terrorist over a group of white terrorists. The DCEU doesn't stereotype like you MCU fans do. Not all terrorists are Muslims. Neither Timothy McVeigh nor Ted Kaczynski were Muslims.
Good try trying to slander the MCU with a completely false statement. Not surprising. But I never said all terrorists are Muslim. But deny it all you want, most terrorists are Muslim, especially in this day and age.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 28, 2017 5:33:57 GMT
Their plan, before Wonder Woman arrived, may have been to plant multiple bombs in the surrounding area. So even though the guy may have been out of ammo, he may have been carrying more explosives on him. And since he already demonstrated, with the bomb, that he was willing to die, Wonder Woman did the right thing taking him out before he could set off another bomb. They clearly said it was that bomb that was going to cover 4-city blocks. And the guy clearly didn't have any more weapons or bombs on him. You're just making up bullshit excuses now. No, the didn't say that bomb was going to cover 4-city blocks. He said "4 city blocks" would be blown up. He didn't say "We have 1 bomb that will blow up 4 city blocks". Like I said, the plan, before Wonder Woman arrived, may have been to plant multiple bombs in the surrounding area.
Kind of like 9/11, when 4 different flights were hijacked and each flight had a specific target. That was a planned attack on multiple targets. And that may have been what the terrorists had planned with the bombs before Wonder Woman arrived.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 28, 2017 5:37:45 GMT
The DCEU doesn't stereotype like you MCU fans do. Not all terrorists are Muslims. Neither Timothy McVeigh nor Ted Kaczynski were Muslims.
Good try trying to slander the MCU with a completely false statement. I'm not slandering MCU nor making a false statement. You're the one who said that DC should've made the terrorists Muslims, which is stereotyping.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 5:51:59 GMT
Good try trying to slander the MCU with a completely false statement. I'm not slandering MCU nor making a false statement. You're the one who said that DC should've made the terrorists Muslims, which is stereotyping. Except you are though claiming the MCU is stereotyping. And it's not stereotyping if it's true though. You could swap them out for some Muslim terrorist organization and it'd be no different. Their exact motives were "return the world back to the dark ages and the sanctity of holy fear.". Tell me how that's any different really from al-Qaeda or ISIS?!?!? What's even more bizarre and ridiculous is how self-aware they are of themselves. Yes, al-Qaeda and ISIS and even Timothy McVeigh are terrorists, yet they don't think so. They think they're fighting for a cause no matter how fucked up it is. They never say that they are terrorists. But even then though, I'm not directly saying they should incorporate Muslim terrorism into their films. The scene was just a wasted opportunity because they should have used one of DC's villain gangs. I read from someone on here that Darkseid apparently has his own human gang. That would have been far more interesting and it could have even tied into the story nicely.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 5:52:47 GMT
They clearly said it was that bomb that was going to cover 4-city blocks. And the guy clearly didn't have any more weapons or bombs on him. You're just making up bullshit excuses now. No, the didn't say that bomb was going to cover 4-city blocks. He said "4 city blocks" would be blown up. He didn't say "We have 1 bomb that will blow up 4 city blocks". Like I said, the plan, before Wonder Woman arrived, may have been to plant multiple bombs in the surrounding area.
Kind of like 9/11, when 4 different flights were hijacked and each flight had a specific target. That was a planned attack on multiple targets. And that may have been what the terrorists had planned with the bombs before Wonder Woman arrived.
Really? Then why did they set such a low countdown. No way they're getting out of there in 20 seconds. And you just said it yourself. They were willing to die and were meant to die in that explosion. So clearly that was the only bomb they had and their plan all along was to blow 4 blocks up with it. Seriously, it was a lacklustre scene that was shoehorned in because of Wonder Woman's success and decided they needed more of her.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 28, 2017 6:26:42 GMT
No, it's not clear that he's out of ammo because he didn't keep pulling the trigger. He started firing at his left and stopped firing when he reached his right. But he didn't keep pulling the trigger so it's not certain that there wasn't more ammo in the machine gun.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 6:32:43 GMT
Really? Then why did they set such a low countdown. No way they're getting out of there in 20 seconds. He didn't set the timer until after Wonder Woman burst through the door. The original plan was probably to set a longer countdown. But when Wonder Woman burst through the door, they probably figured that the cops were coming in fast so he set a shorter countdown. Uhh, no. Nice try, but watch it again, the guy sets it at 20 seconds BEFORE Wonder Woman bursts thru. Find a copy online and watch it and you'll see.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 28, 2017 6:34:35 GMT
No, nice try, but watch it again. It's not clear that he's out of ammo because he didn't keep pulling the trigger. He started firing at his left and stopped firing when he reached his right. But he didn't keep pulling the trigger so it's not certain that there wasn't more ammo in the machine gun.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 6:44:55 GMT
No, nice try, but watch it again. It's not clear that he's out of ammo because he didn't keep pulling the trigger. He started firing at his left and stopped firing when he reached his right. But he didn't keep pulling the trigger so it's not certain that there wasn't more ammo in the machine gun. Considering the gun he was using carries only about 20-30 rounds per magazine and the long stretch of people from left to right he was firing at, he was definitely out of ammo. If he had bottomless magazines, sure he could still have ammunition, but I thought the DCEU pride themselves on being more grounded than the MCU. So there's no way he'd have more ammo.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 28, 2017 6:48:10 GMT
No, it's not clear that he's out of ammo because he didn't keep pulling the trigger. He started firing at his left and stopped firing when he reached his right. But he didn't keep pulling the trigger so it's not certain that there wasn't more ammo in the machine gun. Way to deflect there. You said they set the bomb after Wonder Woman burst thru, but, as you always are, you were wrong because they had already set the countdown before she burst through. What's the matter, can't admit you're wrong?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 28, 2017 8:00:47 GMT
At that point, he wasn't a threat to anyone, least of all a demigod. That man had a right to due process. Face it, Wonder Woman is a murderer. And were they robbing the bank or trying to blow it up or both? WTF? He was still holding a machine gun so he was still a threat. Also, moments earlier he had tried to blow up the building so he obviously was willing to die. So who knows if he might have been carrying more explosives on him? He was a threat that needed to be taken out.
And they weren't robbing the bank. The 1 guy said they were terrorists. They were trying to blow up the building and kill all the hostages (many of them children).
Why was the terrorist attack staged like a bank robbery? That's terrible writing. And hadn't our terrorist friend expended his machine gun clip just prior to his summary execution by Wonder Woman? That scene was just a WW showcase it had nothing to do with the plot otherwise.
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