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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 24, 2017 20:09:00 GMT
I know this isn’t exactly a comfortable thing to discuss but given that sexual misconduct has become a really hot-button topic lately, I figured it was worth asking.
I personally have no interest in seeing the movie, but it has attracted a certain level of controversy from people who have argued that it’s trying to normalize relationships between adults and minors, since it involves a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old. Hell, the only reason I even heard of the film in the first place is because James Woods had a fight with Armie Hammer about it on Twitter, which resulted in Amber Tamblyn accusing the former of making a pass at her when she was 16. At the same time, there have been people pointing out that in Italy, which is where the film and the book it’s based on take place, a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old is actually legal.
Personally, I think the age of consent should be 21 everywhere in the world, so I can’t say I’m comfortable with the age gap presented in the film myself, but what exactly does everyone else here make of it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 20:13:19 GMT
I think it looks fucked up. But it'll win best picture because it's a "masterful story of love with a beautiful world view".
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Post by politicidal on Nov 24, 2017 20:19:00 GMT
Even if it happened to be legal in the context of the film's setting, why make him 17? Was it so hard to rewrite him as 18?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 24, 2017 20:30:29 GMT
Even if it happened to be legal in the context of the film's setting, why make him 17? Was it so hard to rewrite him as 18? It’s a very grey issue in general since several parts of the U.S. apparently have the age of consent at 17, and there are even a couple of parts where it’s as low as 16 (*cough* Alabama). That’s why I think 21 should be the age of consent everywhere in the world. 18 is still too young if you ask me, and no well developed country should have a lower age of consent than any other. You’re right that they could’ve saved themselves some controversy if they had just bumped up the guy’s age though. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Nov 24, 2017 21:15:27 GMT
I know exactly how it'll go come awards season. Great and ambitious movies like Dunkirk, Logan, and Blade Runner 2049 will get nods just to appeal to the actual fans of movies, but shit like this will actually win the big awards because it's politically correct and "goes against the grain." Hollywood insiders are always into this weird forbidden love cliché story.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 24, 2017 22:24:42 GMT
I know exactly how it'll go come awards season. Great and ambitious movies like Dunkirk, Logan, and Blade Runner 2049 will get nods just to appeal to the actual fans of movies, but shit like this will actually win the big awards because it's politically correct and "goes against the grain." Hollywood insiders are always into this weird forbidden love cliché story. Perfect timing for it too. I'm seriously looking forward to the awkwardness this year. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 24, 2017 23:28:22 GMT
I know exactly how it'll go come awards season. Great and ambitious movies like Dunkirk, Logan, and Blade Runner 2049 will get nods just to appeal to the actual fans of movies, but shit like this will actually win the big awards because it's politically correct and "goes against the grain." Hollywood insiders are always into this weird forbidden love cliché story. Perfect timing for it too. I'm seriously looking forward to the awkwardness this year. Perfect timing? That’s sarcasm, right? |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 24, 2017 23:32:19 GMT
Perfect timing for it too. I'm seriously looking forward to the awkwardness this year. Perfect timing? That’s sarcasm, right? Yes, hence my comments about the awkwardness. And for the sake of elaboration, I'm referring to the obvious phoney politeness if any that people will show at the awards shows despite everyone accusing the other of rape, assault, etc. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 24, 2017 23:42:23 GMT
Perfect timing? That’s sarcasm, right? Yes, hence my comments about the awkwardness. And for the sake of elaboration, I'm referring to the obvious phoney politeness if any that people will show at the awards shows despite everyone accusing the other of rape, assault, etc. Just making sure. Sarcasm is difficult to read through a computer. In any case, the movie is apparently really good according to both critics and audiences, so I have no idea just how far the controversy will potentially spread if it wins Best Picture. All I know is that none of this controversy would’ve existed at all if they made the character 21 (apart from maybe a vocal minority of “Ew, Liberal propaganda” people). |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 24, 2017 23:44:01 GMT
Yes, hence my comments about the awkwardness. And for the sake of elaboration, I'm referring to the obvious phoney politeness if any that people will show at the awards shows despite everyone accusing the other of rape, assault, etc. Just making sure. Sarcasm is difficult to read through a computer. In any case, the movie is apparently really good according to both critics and audiences, so I have no idea just how far the controversy will potentially spread if it wins Best Picture. All I know is that none of this controversy would’ve existed at all if they made the character 21 (apart from maybe a vocal minority of “Ew, Liberal propaganda” people). Apparently it's that way in the book (shows what I know about the source material). |
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Post by hi224 on Nov 30, 2017 15:27:22 GMT
Not weird at all.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 1, 2017 17:58:12 GMT
I know this isn’t exactly a comfortable thing to discuss but given that sexual misconduct has become a really hot-button topic lately, I figured it was worth asking. I personally have no interest in seeing the movie, but it has attracted a certain level of controversy from people who have argued that it’s trying to normalize relationships between adults and minors, since it involves a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old. Hell, the only reason I even heard of the film in the first place is because James Woods had a fight with Armie Hammer about it on Twitter, which resulted in Amber Tamblyn accusing the former of making a pass at her when she was 16. At the same time, there have been people pointing out that in Italy, which is where the film and the book it’s based on take place, a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old is actually legal. Personally, I think the age of consent should be 21 everywhere in the world, so I can’t say I’m comfortable with the age gap presented in the film myself, but what exactly does everyone else here make of it? I'm sure the movie is probably beautiful with great performances and cinematography, but the age thing bothers me a little too. If he was of consenting age maybe not so much. But as he's under, I find it problematic. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 1, 2017 19:57:42 GMT
I know this isn’t exactly a comfortable thing to discuss but given that sexual misconduct has become a really hot-button topic lately, I figured it was worth asking. I personally have no interest in seeing the movie, but it has attracted a certain level of controversy from people who have argued that it’s trying to normalize relationships between adults and minors, since it involves a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old. Hell, the only reason I even heard of the film in the first place is because James Woods had a fight with Armie Hammer about it on Twitter, which resulted in Amber Tamblyn accusing the former of making a pass at her when she was 16. At the same time, there have been people pointing out that in Italy, which is where the film and the book it’s based on take place, a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old is actually legal. Personally, I think the age of consent should be 21 everywhere in the world, so I can’t say I’m comfortable with the age gap presented in the film myself, but what exactly does everyone else here make of it? I'm sure the movie is probably beautiful with great performances and cinematography, but the age thing bothers me a little too. If he was of consenting age maybe not so much. But as he's under, I find it problematic. It technically is of consenting age. If the film was depicting a relationship that’s flat-out illegal, that would be a much bigger problem. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 1, 2017 20:14:38 GMT
I'm sure the movie is probably beautiful with great performances and cinematography, but the age thing bothers me a little too. If he was of consenting age maybe not so much. But as he's under, I find it problematic. It technically is of consenting age. If the film was depicting a relationship that’s flat-out illegal, that would be a much bigger problem. I thought consenting age was 18, not 17. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 1, 2017 20:17:37 GMT
It technically is of consenting age. If the film was depicting a relationship that’s flat-out illegal, that would be a much bigger problem. I thought consenting age was 18, not 17. It depends on the country or American state. The film in question takes place in Italy, where the age of consent is 14 (which is disturbing to be honest), and even in many parts of the U.S., 17 is actually the age of consent. So yeah, while I personally think the age of consent should be 21, CMBYN isn’t actually depicting an illegal relationship, at the very least. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 4, 2017 18:54:49 GMT
I thought consenting age was 18, not 17. It depends on the country or American state. The film in question takes place in Italy, where the age of consent is 14 (which is disturbing to be honest), and even in many parts of the U.S., 17 is actually the age of consent. So yeah, while I personally think the age of consent should be 21, CMBYN isn’t actually depicting an illegal relationship, at the very least. 14?!?! Blargh! What does a 14 year old really know?! Wassup with Italy? lol IMO it should be minimum18, so that a person can get out of high school without having to worry about creepy crawlers. Once you're college aged another story. Most college aged kids can handle a more mature relationship and know right from wrong. But 14?! WTF lol
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 4, 2017 19:03:50 GMT
It depends on the country or American state. The film in question takes place in Italy, where the age of consent is 14 (which is disturbing to be honest), and even in many parts of the U.S., 17 is actually the age of consent. So yeah, while I personally think the age of consent should be 21, CMBYN isn’t actually depicting an illegal relationship, at the very least. 14?!?! Blargh! What does a 14 year old really know?! Wassup with Italy? lol IMO it should be minimum18, so that a person can get out of high school without having to worry about creepy crawlers. Once you're college aged another story. Most college aged kids can handle a more mature relationship and know right from wrong. But 14?! WTF lol
Indeed. 14 is definitely too young. At the very least, we should be thankful that the movie didn't go that route. |
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Post by eplay on Dec 12, 2017 23:42:35 GMT
I can't wait to see this -- I love Armie Hammer.
I think the age of the characters is perfectly fine.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 13, 2017 3:08:52 GMT
I thought consenting age was 18, not 17. It depends on the country or American state. The film in question takes place in Italy, where the age of consent is 14 (which is disturbing to be honest), and even in many parts of the U.S., 17 is actually the age of consent. So yeah, while I personally think the age of consent should be 21, CMBYN isn’t actually depicting an illegal relationship, at the very least. And to be fair... I think this is largely an English-language Italian film with an Italian director at the helm. |
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Post by leesilm on Dec 14, 2017 8:05:16 GMT
I mean, I'm going entirely by trailers and a few articles I've read . However, I got the impression the reason they made him 17- not 18, was that he was supposed to be on the cusp of adulthood and just figuring out who he was and who he wanted to be, then he sees this guy who is a bit older and more worldly, and he is enchanted, but it takes a while for the feelings to be returned by said older guy.
I admit, it makes me feel a little weirded out that he's not quite an adult, but I honestly am weirded out by teens dating over 21yr olds cause I saw a lot of those relationships when I was that age, and none ended well. I think it is the rare 16-19yr old who is mature enough to have a serious relationship at all, let alone one with someone whose frontal lobe is fully cooked and ready to roll. There's actually some science now saying males might not have their brain fully developed for thinking through emotions/consequences/etc. until they are 22-25yrs old, while females it is more like 19-22yrs old. In which case, this 17yr old is 5-8yrs away from a fully matured brain while the older guy may be already there. (Did I mention I'm a science nerd?) However, an age gap of 7yrs is pretty normal in heterosexual relationships, with the male being the older one mostly. So perhaps they figured it would not bother people all that much. They probably figured it'd be like DIRTY DANCING, but with 2 guys in Italy.
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