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Post by howardschumann on Dec 18, 2017 1:20:41 GMT
I'm sure the movie is probably beautiful with great performances and cinematography, but the age thing bothers me a little too. If he was of consenting age maybe not so much. But as he's under, I find it problematic. It technically is of consenting age. If the film was depicting a relationship that’s flat-out illegal, that would be a much bigger problem. The age of consent in Italy is 14.
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Post by leesilm on Dec 18, 2017 15:15:09 GMT
Factoid from a law professor I know, in the States during the 70s-early 90s, in the US there were already several states that believed a person 18-20 was not mature enough to sign contracts/etc. so they could not sign paperwork to rent an apartment, get a mortgage on a house, rent a car, or take out a loan of more than 1,000 dollars---- yet they could smoke, drink, go to war, work, and marry. I think, in general, people are confused about when you become and adult and when you are fully Grown Up. Heck, if you turn 18 while still in high school, you are treated like just as much of a child as the 13yr old freshman students- yet if you were to leave the building and do something illegal, you would be charged as an adult, and in some cases at 16 or 17 could be charged as an adult.
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Post by Vits on Jul 22, 2019 18:40:36 GMT
The age difference is only a problem when the 2 people don't have the same level of maturity, because there's an unbalance. Maturity is tied to age, but it also varies from person to person. In this case, ELIO & OLIVER are equally mature. Also, OLIVER doesn't display any predatory behavior. Even if it happened to be legal in the context of the film's setting, why make him 17? Was it so hard to rewrite him as 18? When a 17-year-old turns 18, they don't become an entirely new person. I mean, I'm going entirely by trailers and a few articles I've read . However, I got the impression the reason they made him 17- not 18, was that he was supposed to be on the cusp of adulthood and just figuring out who he was and who he wanted to be, then he sees this guy who is a bit older and more worldly, and he is enchanted, but it takes a while for the feelings to be returned by said older guy.
Exactly. It's meant to be a coming of age story. It wouldn't be one if they both had the same age (especially because ELIO has a same-age girlfriend at the beginning).
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jul 27, 2019 6:28:58 GMT
SJW's getting up on their moral high horse, without putting things into context and being closed and dense minded, shouldn't even be voicing their opinions. It's just to get attention due to narcissist and self-absorbed tendencies. I haven't seen this film yet as not released; but I sure the relationship between an intelligent boy in his late teens, who is on the verge of becoming a man, and a slightly older man in his early 20's, is hardly worth getting out the hangman's noose for. Heck, as one gets older the gap closes and people need to realize, that male sexuality is a different beast to a females. This film doesn't appear to be about the corruption or grooming of a naive and innocent mind. I thought that Call Me By Your Name proved extremely overrated, mainly because the self-consciousness of the film's acting and sexual ambitions failed to jibe with its desire for a phenomenological aura. In other words, the movie felt contrived while striving for naturalism, although the location shooting proved commendable. But the notion of some sinister age discrepancy never even occurred to me, even though I would have pegged the Armie Hammer character as being several years older than twenty-four.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jul 27, 2019 6:39:38 GMT
I know this isn’t exactly a comfortable thing to discuss but given that sexual misconduct has become a really hot-button topic lately, I figured it was worth asking. I personally have no interest in seeing the movie, but it has attracted a certain level of controversy from people who have argued that it’s trying to normalize relationships between adults and minors, since it involves a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old. Hell, the only reason I even heard of the film in the first place is because James Woods had a fight with Armie Hammer about it on Twitter, which resulted in Amber Tamblyn accusing the former of making a pass at her when she was 16. At the same time, there have been people pointing out that in Italy, which is where the film and the book it’s based on take place, a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old is actually legal. Personally, I think the age of consent should be 21 everywhere in the world, so I can’t say I’m comfortable with the age gap presented in the film myself, but what exactly does everyone else here make of it? I thought that the very mild discrepancy constituted a total non-issue in Call Me By Your Name, even though I would have pegged the Armie Hammer character as being around thirty, give or take. I would also suggest that making the age of consent twenty-one would be both preposterous and untenable, not to mention contradictory to most of human history. Although it did not happen, I could imagine myself having had an affair with a forty-year old woman when I was twenty, and it certainly would not have been a case of her raping me somehow. And as you indicate later, the age of consent is either sixteen or seventeen in most US states. linkAnyway, if you want to view an unambiguous example of an age discrepancy, see Breezy from 1973, directed by Clint Eastwood and starring a fifty-something William Holden and a teenage Kay Lenz. If anyone wants to hold a discussion regarding this issue, let us do it with that film.
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